Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

Yes as then you will know what the Target and Limit range is. I have updated my last post to what should be the reply from the command issued if its successful.

Its how i change my Power States as MSI Afterburner has been uninstalled from my system and i just use .bat files and HWinfo.

 

@hacktrix2006 tried your commands but all i get is "changing power management limit is not supported for GPU ............"

 

Right means there is something else stopping it then, which could either be a System Bios or EC Firmware. Thats the only places i think that can be hard coded for power limits.

 

yes maybe thats the problem... nevermind i will sell the aw 13 and will buy a aw 15 gtx 1070...

 

I think that you are not right here... I think the problem around firmware itself, not the hardware (or EC, system bios etc.)

Btw, I tried to set power limit with nvidia-smi tool and got the same message "Changing power management limit is not supported for GPU"...

EDIT: I was wrong about system bios...

 

Wow! I fixed my problem, guys!

Once I've disable "TPM Secure option" in bios my Power limit slider in MSI Afterburner became active!!! ****ing encryption =)

Full path in Clevo bios:
Security->TPM Configuration->Security Device Support=Disable

Now I able to play Witcher3 with [email protected] with no power limit and 90+w. Thank you very much =)

P.s. pls add this note to the first page

EDIT: I tried to turn off/on TPM again but now power limit slider is active anyway...

 

Glad you got it working. What's your scores and temps like now

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@Coolane Hi bud, is 82c fine? as this has been my max thus far temp wise whilst playing Destiny 2 for 4 hours. If not then i will use the one you made for me set at 98w max, until i can get hold of the 2 piece heatsink for a GTX 1070 as my current one is a 75w heatsink.

 

If you don't see any artifact or crashing around 82C, then it's fine. Personally I wouldn't go over 85C.
Have you tried to use some liquid metal thermal paste, maybe you can drop your core temp by 2~3C under load.

 

@Coolane, there was no artifacting at all at 82c, however i found out what the issue was like a moron i activated Coolboost and turned it off so it went to Auto Fan rather then Advance Fan profile. However i was in a funny thinking route today and flash the stock vbios back (SPI Backup) but changed the SubVendor ID from 1C60 1462 11FF to 1C60 1462 11AF and it failed to show a screen (Would of been nice if it worked though lol) as if i sell the laptop at a later date i could of flashed that which would of ment if it worked no more driver modding for the new user.

However i have flashed your 98w vbios for now. As for Liquid Metal i am thinking about using that however as i do go out and about with the laptop the risk of spillage is there thus will stick with Kryonaught for now it does a good job with idle on GPU and CPU at 30c with CPU going to 72c max and GPU hitting 82c max.

I also found out my EDP port is a 40 pin port (My Logic was correct based on MSI using same board for the line that also had the 4K screen) so i could upgrade to 120hz screen as well hopefully once i can replace the 40pin EDP to 30pin EDP connection just have to have the guts to completely dismantle the laptop.

Right found my sweet spot for clocks and temps.

73c on GPU during benchmark runs.

3DMark11: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12504778
TimeSpy: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/2779163
Firestrike: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14210018
SkyDiver: https://www.3dmark.com/sd/4893448

Using MSI Afterbuner with the following settings in the vbios and MSI's volt curve editor.



This tool is smashing and this is as far as i am taking overclocks till i get the GT72VR two piece 100w Heatsink Thanks @Coolane once again and the others for this wonderful tool.

 

@hacktrix2006

What CPU is inside your notebook?


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I7 6700hq


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This is my highest bench today under 100% fan load.
Actually with max. TDP of 115 watts for the gpu. If i set the power limit to 120% my notebook crashed cause my power supply is too small but i think this are really impressive scores.

stock settings: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12483552
overclocked settings: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12511217

 

so it crashes at 138W?

 

@thegh0sts

the vbios settings were at
target tdp: 100w
limit tdp: 120 w.

 

either it's the PSU or the mobo that could causing the crashing. mine is bumped to 151-170 and I don't have issues.

 

Use the other trick

Setup the vbios with just 78w as target then using either 98w or 100w as limit. I set the temp throttle at 79c. I can push my card more however I am trying to curb my over clocking right now lol

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@hacktrix2006 what are your max. scores in 3dmark 11 perf.?

@thegh0sts I think that my 180 w psu is too small... 120w gpu and 45 watts cpu + everything else..

 

My last run which was last night

3DMark 11: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12510057
SkyDiver: https://www.3dmark.com/sd/4897264
TimeSpy: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/2798776
FireStrike: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14236808

I haven't seen max yet as only thing that shows to me in HWinfo is Pwr and Util. I can still push more as well i think its just the guts to do so right now i am lacking.

Also i noticed at 115w TDP i got worse perf then 98w/100w or even 110w, you could be unlucky like i am try my settings for vbios

Target: 78000
Limit: 98000
Temp Throttle: 79

 

Nice scores!
Whats your power supply? Do you have a 240w one or a 180w?


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230w Delta PSU i don't see anything over 180w from the wall either way.

Must dash got to nip out like for a while, Start small then slowly increase your TDP is the best way to got Keep temps below 85c though unless you can give a f*** about the GPU, then simply keep pushing and i will send a steak you can place on top to cook.

 

That might be my problem... notebook always went off with the combined test sky diver caused by the 180w psu

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240W might be beneficial if you can find one.

 

Yes.. you guys know what psu will fit for the aw13 r3?

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Right noticed yours might be a 19.5v PSU so a PSU at 240w from a Alienware 15 R3 should work without issues.

 

Well, I spent several days of testing and tweaking. Put the data in tweaker from custom chinese firmwares (limit at 160w and some changes in temperature section). I believe there was a post about that chinese archive in this thread...

My highest graphic score at [email protected] and 2200Mhz vRAM is the same as yours (around 4300 graphic points in Time Spy). But it was possible only with opened motherboard and some extra coolers to cool down it to 82C with all 3 laptop fans running 100%... I also used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermopaste

I confused by the score of desktop GTX1060 card which one of my friend owns. 4600 points (!!!) at 2088Mhz and 2150Mhz memmory. Wtf? Another ~10% of perfomance... Hmmm

P.s. My TimeSpy graphic score with default 80w limit was less than 3600 points...

 

You're not using the voltage curve editor (Ctrl-F) in MSI Afterburner are you? When I tried locking a frequency & voltage point using the voltage curve editor in MSI Afterburner it gave me some very low performance given the Mhz it was showing. This generally happens with Pascal when you lock a frequency voltage point at an absurdly low voltage for that frequency, strangely Pascal doesn't crash if you give it an absurdly low voltage (but it will crash if you give it just slightly less voltage than it needs), and instead gives really low performance for the Mhz seen. Using this strange method I was able lock 2150Mhz at 1.0V on my GTX 1070 card, but all I got was low performance (about stock performance). I don't really recommend using the Ctrl-F voltage curve editor in MSI Afterburner - it can give some very strange results & I've never been able to get it to deliver a true higher stable overclock than just using the regular core offset method (e.g. +200Mhz on the core, using the frequency slider).

 

Try a core off set of 145 on the core and 245 on the ram. Might help also use 98w

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I think I was able to lock the 2100 or 2088 mhz frequency step at the 1.050 or some voltage point around there.
But I think I also flattened the curve past that as well. I suffered no loss in performance.

 

If you do it 'sensibly' then I think you can avoid the performance loss, but it's quite easy to fall into the pitfall of using that curve & then thinking your GPU is successfully overclocked to something like 2150Mhz at 1.0V - ha! I've never been able to get more out of my GPU by using that curve. The fact that @StepSon was seeing lower than expected performance for the clocks shown, combined with the fact that he was at very low voltage (he quoted 1.0-1.05V) for 2100Mhz makes me suspect he fell into the trap of being too aggressive with the Ctrl-F voltage curve in MSI Afterburner (as I described in my previous post).

 

Locking the points doensn't ever give you more FPS. I find that locking the point is for trying to stabilize the clock boosting so you get more stable FRAME TIMES. That's the only reason I lock it. I gain no performance at all. I usually use +180 mhz core +600 memory.

is +600 RAM the norm?

 

It's true that overclocking the VRAM too far can sometimes result in less rather than more performance - it's when the GDDR5 error correction kicks in & it starts having to correct more errors, thereby more than negating the increase in Mhz speed. Is +600Mhz normal you ask, I'm at +566Mhz, and 2285Mhz on the VRAM according to GPUz. @StepSon was at 2200Mhz, but I'm on a different card (GTX 1070), and a desktop version at that, so VRAM cooling and VRAM voltages might be different (higher).

 

Wow! I just did a 3Dmark FS test of my modded 1070 and it scores on par to the desktop 1070Ti....can't complain really.

 

Nice, not bad at all The chip itself is between after all.

 

Cool, 18405 points on the Graphics Score according to notebookcheck.net ( https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...esktop-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.262056.0.html), how many did you get?

 

My results.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14282685

I find it interesting that the desktop 1070Ti has more cores than the notebook 1070 yet just a TDP boost is enough to match it at stock clocks. No idea how that's the case.

according to notebookcheck.net there's only a 10% increase between the notebook 1070 and the 1070Ti.

 

I wouldn't be suprised if Nvidia's GTX 1070 Ti was powerlimited in order to keep selling GTX 1080 wich is very close.

 

Nice. Have you tried overclocking any further now that you have unlocked the power limit, or are you temperature limited?

I don't think GTX 1070ti is power limited from the reviews I've read. You can always raise the power limit in overclocking software like MSI Afterburner anyway. 3rd party cards often have a higher power limit, as well as better cooling, so they're the ones to get. GTX 1070ti really does perform well with an overclock and a power limit increase, it's really not far at all away from an overclocked GTX 1080.

 

The power limit does not quite have the stock power limit rise scope as the 1080 IIRC.

 

Previous tests had me pinned somewhere between the 1070Ti and 1080. I'll have to do an updated test to be sure.

 

How are you only getting 18,496 graphics score?
I've gotten 20500 at 185W TDP (GPU +180, RAM +600).
What are you currently set at?

 

This with a TDP of 151W with stock clocks. Mind you it's still a decent improvement over the stock TDP for the notebook 1070 and the desktop 1070.

 

here's a comparison: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/14291135/fs/14282685#

Left side is OC +150/+300 and right side is stock clocks.

OC+TDP still beats 1070Ti by a country mile (is there such a thing as a city mile?) while stock clocks+TDP is on par with the 1070Ti.

If you have the MSI 1070 Notebook, you're in for a real treat!

 

Not quite up to a 1080 though... this isn't the best it can do, but I didn't have a lot of time to tune it, MSI GT73VR Pro-866 7820HK @ 4.5ghz with XTU + 1080 OC'd to "Sport Mode" in DGC:

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/14291135/fs/14282685/fs/13826005#

The BGA 7820HK did pretty darned well against that desktop CPU, but it was running faster, so that's probably the difference

 

I'm just happy that there's a general improvement over stock notebook.

 

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Hey, guys. I thought this topic very interesting. i basically read everything you guys talked. I have an old asus laptop built with maxwell gpu and broadwell cpu and i managed to customize both bios and vbios very easily and flash it back with no problems. But now i ordered a dell laptop, the inspiron 7567 gaming with i7 7700hq and gtx 1050 Ti. It's a great and solid laptop, but sadly the throttle point on the gpu its just 73ºc, which i think is too low for its purpose (gaming), anything above that makes the gpu throttle as hell, demanding games like battlefield 1 multiplayer and cpu demanding games in general makes hard to keep the gpu that cool, despite the laptop has two cooler fans, the temperature of one has some impact on the other since it looks like they share the same heatsink. I thought 73ºc a very low target for a laptop that carries "gaming" on its name. My maxwell can go up to 90ºc on its stock vbios. I just cant stand that the dell 7567 drops the gtx 1050 ti clocks to 1493-1.5ghz knowing that the laptop is much more capable than that. This happens only with cpu demanding titles as i've mentioned before. But since i read all your posts, i realized its harder to flash the vbios of mobile pascal than it was with maxwell. So my question is... is there any way that i could just increase the temperature limit target on this gpu soldered to motherboard? Something like 80ºc, That is all i want, i dont want to unlock anything, just increase the limit temperature a little, so the gpu can perform as it should, nothing else. Its hard keeping a gtx 1050 ti that throttles to gtx 1050 non ti's level. Maybe a liquid metal would be enough to get this done, but where i live (Brazil) its very expensive and not easy to find. Thanks for your attention.

 

How did you extract the vbios? I am unable to extract my 1070 vbios using the latest version of gpu-z.

edit: via nvflash

 

GTX1070Ti is not power limited just nvidia told OEMS not to factory over clock them I believe.

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Yep, but they are overclockable in software.