Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

0.9 to 1.0V must be some other issue. Or perhaps people are seeing their last logged voltage value pre-crash. My v1.0 vortex 1070s had crashes from turboboost clocking above 1.013V. I suspect vdroop on clock-up under load but never bothered investigating further, since the 100% reliable and easy fix is just to flatten the boost curve and stop the card clocking above 1.013V, doubling as an undervolt helping to keep it cool. and that voltage still being enough for 2000mhz under the increased power limit

The 8A vbios fixes the issue by killing turbo meaning a 1443mhz/0.8xV maximum, but this of course causes a significant loss of performance

 

I'm pretty sure 1.0 and 1.2 has hardware changes. My G25 could boot 1.2 but not 1.0(I had flashed all possible combination of vBIOS)
And I vaguely remember someone once pointed out the difference of 1.0, 1.2

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So, is it risky to try the tdp mod on the v1.0? Maybe having a higher tdp due to the mod makes it work...I don´t know. If you tell me its safe to do it, I will, as the preformance boost is quite good.

 

The mod works just fine. Tick the box for adjustable power limit and its completely customisable. Cooling is the limit.

 

More likely that the vrms are the limit if you want to use your notebook for a long time.
But sure cooling too

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Ok, I just did that. Here are the values in case is useful for someone in the future. What I still don´t know how to do is how to connect the programmer... On monday the 1.8v adaptor will arrive (had to buy it again as the other one didn´t arrived). Looking at what others did, I know which one is the first pin on. Here is the picture of what I have...I´ve been through the 146 pages, but I don´t find aything exaclty like this...I´m a bit lost now. Any help? Thank you!

 

In just about any other mxm board in history I'd agree, but these MSI 1070 cards have an extremely strong doubled 5 phase vcore vrm that is still only operating at approx half of its recommended maximum (400A) under a 200W power limit.

 

Okay i just thought about my "bga crap" alienware 15 r3 . 180 watts is the maximum i've tried but at those bga motherboards it's too risky to go any higher

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But i wonder if it's possible to mod a max q 1080 in an aw 15 r3. Would be awesome. Unfortunately coolanes tool won't recognize this bios as it should be

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Did you buy the Pomona clip and the jumper cables?
i hope you did. It makes it a LOT easier. prebuilt clips often don't even clip on the chip properly and some of them have teeth that are too large and will be blocked by a resistor next to the bios.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EV70C78/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A2WWHQ25ENKVJ1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/CPT-063-Test-Clip-SOIC8-Pomona/dp/B00HHH65T4/

I assume you bought the Skypro already, then?
Hooking up the Skypro to the 1.8v adapter is easy. Just use the front "slot" facing towards the top and have pin 1 on each other. Easy.
Hooking up the 1.8v adapter to the pomona 5250 clip just requires a little common sense.
Pin 1 on the 1.8v adapter (top left, in top area--remember always use the holes closest to the top), then going counterclockwise, so pin 8 is top right.
That will line up with the Pomona adapter aligned in the same way (two vertical columns of pins), pin 1 top left, pin 8 top right. Just line it up just like you see it on the adapter. it's easy if you take time to look at it. very easy.

I like to make pin 1 the "black" wire on the jumper cables for easy remembering (or white), whatever you want.

To attach the Pomona clip to the bios, look for the little tiny circle "indentation" on the bios chip in one of the corners. The pin closest to that little tiny indent circle mark is pin 1. NOT the painted mark, but the depression on the chip itself (looks like a miniature bullet hole).

Then on the skypro software, you just hit "detect".
if it instantly detects your chip, you have the connection proper.
If you get a 0x0 error or some other hexadecimal error, it's not correct.

Then you just load the modded bios and hit "Auto".

I would first backup the original bios (you can just do a ''read" on it then save it).

 

Ok, I did **** something up... Everything went perfectly. Read the bios, modified it with the tool, pressed auto, said ok, but... Screen showing nothing.... What can I do do? What did I do wrong? Please help...
I've tried to flash the original bios and still not working...

 

I cant help with errors as I never had a problem. Did you press "Detect" first? Did it detect the flash chip (usually a Macronix or Winbond chip?)
Did you use the 1.8v adapter? Did the first 2 bytes of the Bios read properly? (I believe it was something about 5500 or 55AA--I forgot honestly).
When you flashed the bios, did you re-read it again to make sure those "55AA" bytes didn't change back?

Also did you update the skypro software and the skypro firmware to the newest version?(usually auto download will work but if not there's a manual download on Coright's website).

 

Also check the clip is attaching properly.

 

Well, I'm not positive about the detect. First I tried the software from corights page but it didn't recognize the programmer. Secondly I downloaded the one that I saw you were using and It asked me to update. I manually selected the chip, i read what it was written on the chip (it's a winbond) and then i hit the read button. Everything went perfectly. I opened the file with the tweeker, modded to the desired parameters and then loaded and pressed auto. And it said it was flashed correctly. After that, i turned on the pc, pressed the button to switch from intel to Nvidia and it turns on but no graphics on the screen at all. I've uploaded the picture... And yes, I did use the 1.8v adapter

 

Can you post the vbios you used, please?
Also post the original one as well as the modded one (Put them in a zip file and attach them, you can put both of them in the zip).
And what laptop is this?

And you said you 'switched from Intel to Nvidia?'
That should not have been necessary. How did you go from Nvidia to Intel anyway? It should do that automatically.

Is this a GT73VR? You may have run into the PEG Port bug. Were you on the iGPU at any point?
this is why im FORCED to tell people to unlock their bioses even though I don't want to, since that's the ONLY way to bypass the bug (by forcibly enabling PEG Port 1 which has NO drawbacks whatsoever, even on the iGPU).

Press the power button down and hold the button down for 60 seconds, then wait 3 minutes.

If your laptop comes back on happily ill tell you in PM how to fix this crap forever. Because MSI is too incompetent to fix their crap. They can't even put the right drivers versions on their page (the only thing they seem to know how to do is to put working Nvidia drivers up...ancient drivers of course, then they put newer ones up for newer laptops and forget about the older laptops).

 

I can't do that until tomorrow (girl sleeping...) The vbios I had is the 3a. This is a Gt73vr 6re. I didn't unlock my bios as pressing the combination to get thr negative core offset for undervolting was enough for my use I switch from one to the other one using the igpu phisical button (If it's red it's using the nvidia. If its black it uses the intel). Now it turns on completely but no graphics... (i can use the laptop through remote desktop). I have a photo of the program when I read the bios. I'm attaching it. It says it is the 3a on the right. What you said about the 55aa is not the same as you can see on both pictures... Thank you very much for your help!

 

For the record msi are the manufactor who doesnt make garbage drivers and software for their hardware. Their drivers are anything but garbage. They thr one company who actually does soemthing with their drivers for the hardware. Dell screws their site up to with the wrong drivers as well. They even title them the cprrect rhe download link isn't what it states

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Yes as I said, you encountered the PEG bug. This isn't a video card problem. It's a bios problem. I'll tell you how to fix it in PM permanently. Press the power button for 60 seconds to restore proper functionality, but you will have to re-do all your bios settings (saved profiles MAY still be intact though).

 

Oh you mean like them still having the PEG root port disabled electrically when you first use the mux GPU switch to switch from the dGPU to the iGPU, then when you switch from the iGPU to the dGPU and the EC fails to re-enable the PEG port because the "Auto" setting acts as "disabled" when the EC disconnects the port by acting as a MUX switch to re-route the iGPU to being the main display? Which they claimed they fixed but didn't? (Fix: set PEG root port 1 from Auto to Enabled, with no drawbacks).

 

Is there a good man here who would be able to manually convert this vbios into something more than 115W ? Vbios from 1070 Clevo P775TM1 Coffe Lake version 86.04.2A.00.29.

 

Well, it hasn't work...i've tried to do it three times and I still get the same thing. If I boot with the intel graphics everything it's ok but as soon as I change to the 1070 i get nothing on the screen. The laptop boots and i can access through remote desktop. The 1070 doesn't appear on the device manager... I don't know what it is that I did wrong... Any more advices on how to fix this? Is the 1070 dead? The weird thing is that I'm still able to flash it...

 

Follow my instructions in PM and do what I said to the PEG port. It will appear then. If it still doesn't appear, it means you didn't insert the card in all the way. You have to rock it in while it's being inserted *at an angle*, and make sure it's fully inserted. After my first ever flash, I remember getting an 800x600 screen sometimes when booting windows and it acting like the drivers were not installed. A removal and proper reinsertion of the card fixed that. Deoxit D5 is also safe to use on the slot.

 

It's still not working... I did everything you said in the pm but still i get the black screen. The screen doesn't turn on at all. I don't know how many times I have tried to properly connect thr gpu still with no luck...
If i press the gpu bottom it restarts and boots the intel. When on thr intel, pressing it turns it off but it doesn't boot. If I press the turning on button it boots, but no image on the screen. Also, is there anything to do with this option?

 

Did you read my PM and enable the peg port?
You also didnt post the modded vbios. The bios posted has default TDP values but some sort of mod(?) as the date and checksum isn't original.

Anyway try the vbios I posted.

*edit*
I looked at the file you sent me.
It seems to have been modded november 2018, but the bios TDP values are default.
However the first two bytes are 4E 56
But in your skypro picture earlier they were 55 AA.

How did that happen?
That's why I wanted a copy of the --original-- unmodded bios and the modded bios with the modded TDP's. The one you sent me isn't original.

I actually have another bios with that 4E 56 code from someone else on this forum awhile ago. Pretty sure he had the same problem.

I have a copy of bios .44 (the one for GT72VR which was "Pulled" by MSI one week after release) and bios .3A (the original one from GT73VR 7RE). Both have 55 AA. And both are 55 AA after flashing.

I think this is the problem.
Try flashing mine and make sure those 55 AA bytes don't change.

 

I will post them as soon as I get home. Yes, I did enable the peg port.
I don't know how it happened. I did followed the instructions. Hopefully it will work with yours or maybe there was something wrong on the reading of the bios... But I did it twice and tried to flash both and none work. I will write later with the results

 

It works!!!! It ****ing works!!!!!! I love you man. I owe you a huge one....Now I want to mod it. Talk to you in private. Thank you so much!

 

I replied. Did you flash the one I attached or your original one? (I already pre-modded the 3A bios for safe limits for the 230W adapter).

 

Do you know whether the max q vbios can be modded in any way beyond the "crap" tdp limits?

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Any bios can be edited if you can manually correct the checksums and find the correct values to change and the corresponding correct extreme power limits (seem to be PCIE rails).
You could technically use a hex editor and a checksum correction tool to do it if you knew what you were doing.

The editor is too out of date to support a large range of bioses. I dont know if MaxQ was ever added and if any were added, which ones.

 

The main worry in Max-q machines is the VRM.

 

I did flash yours, mine wasn't working .. Mine was about 1mb and yours 250kb. Something had to happened when I read mine... But the thing is that I actually did two different copies in case anything happened but none of them were working. Maybe my bios was incompatible with the programmer? Who knows...

 

But do you think 20 or 30 watts more and undervolting will be dramagically for vrms?1

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Well, you don't want to find out the hard way...

And a lack of temperature sensors on the vrms outside of an overheat shutdown or throttle means you can't assess whether there is thermal headroom for longievity.

You can get an idea by examining the layout (phases) and components (fets mainly) and researching their specifications

 

20-30w is generally a lot for these machines.

 

So, after the mod, here I have a firestrike result:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17497516

21000 on the graphics score. Pretty happy with the result. Probably I can still go further, but anyway, not bad for a 1070 laptop.

 

What notebook do we talk about?

 

About an alienware 15 r3

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I assume we talk 1080 maxq right?

yeah don't TDP mod that one.

 

Nice, same as my overclocked desktop GTX 1070!

 

230W TDP and +150 / +700 can reach 22K graphics score. if you're stable at 150 (really need voltage adjustment...the higher your TDP the less you can push the clocks once you reach the point where you no longer throttle since the throttling no longer saves the card from extremely high load anymore).

 

What temperatures do you get wuth that score? I've applied lm today to the cpu... The difference is just amazing... I had 14 degres difference between cores, now 1 degree... I've been playing destiny with the cpu at 4.4ghz (6820hk) with +.100mv and the 1070 at 151w. Temperatures were 60 degrees average on both with the fans at around 3000rpm. Amazing what this laptop is capable off. Maybe I will apply lm to the gpu tomorrow. How much of an improvement can I get? Also how far do you think i can push my cpu? 4.4ghz is already not bad for a 6820hk,right?

 

Temps? with max fan speed? Between 65C to 71C GPU depending on ambient.
VRM/RAM temps can't be measured, but judging by the heat coming out from that side of the vent, not too bad.

 

I mean, I really love MSI notebooks and their really good thermal solutions but... 150W GPU and 4.4GHZ OCed CPU at 60c in gaming seems a little to impressive. Do you have any HWinfo64 logs?

 

Nope, as I said, I have applied the lm today, but tomorrow I will do it ( I may also apply the lm to the gpi). I was playing d2. What I can show you is a picture I did sent to a friend ( I had aida running during the whole gaming sesion).

 

That does seem a little too good to be true. A follow up on those temps under load would be interesting to see.

 

Can you re run the Aida64 test with FPU selected also? Since that's how it's suppose to be ran to generate heat. Check marks in the first 3 boxes.

 

If you're talking about his 150W 1070 that's not too hard to believe.

Here's a 230W 1070. External Benq monitor. I'd probably score higher on the internal LCD without monitoring software running (been over 22,100 graphics score before).
CPU @ 4.8 ghz 1.305v.

 

If his vcore is too high his laptop will shut off from OCP. I'd like to see if he can run it though.
Found out its the built in VRM trip protection (not even the EC). Mine would shut off at 4.8 ghz if I try the FPU test at 1.30v also. Nothing to do with temps.
Always thought it was the EC causing it. It's OCP that desktop boards can override by changing CPU Current protection.

 

That's fine and dandy. He only needs to continually lower the overclock until until it will run steady. The goal is to see if he can hold 60 degrees Celsius.

Or run GTA V or Ghost Recon wildlands. Destiny 2 is not CPU bound.

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Games aren't the issue. It's AVX stress tests that will trip the VRM's. I think now that I've been reading desktop board stuff recently, GT73VR only has 3 phases +2 (for iGPU), not even doubled.