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    Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Coolane, Jun 20, 2017.

  1. mambo1111

    mambo1111 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thank you that helped me a lot! I hope the programmer arrives in 1 week...
     
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    Z3us_PL Notebook Consultant

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    This time I uploaded vbios with diffrent programator without adapter. Still black screen, windows is booting in background (the disk work icon is liting, and you can hear the sound of windows loading). LCD is working only when I upload original vbios :/. I don't know what causes the problem?
     

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    Your bios is corrupted again.
    You're getting a black screen because the first 2 bytes are being changed from 55 AA to 4E 56.
    Do you have a hex editor?

    Open the file in the programmer and look at the very start of the file.
    Look at the file coolane sent you.
    Do you see how it has 55AA at the first two bytes?
    Now look at your file.
    It has 4E 56.

    Where is the original bios for 86.04.2a.00.29 ?
    The unoriginal unaltered file?
    Do you have it?
    It should have 55 AA.
    Does it?

    Now go back to the file coolane sent to you.
    Open it in a hex editor.
    I recommend HxD. Takes 30 seconds to download HxD.
    Got it? Ok.
    Now open it.

    Do you see 55AA?
    Now, when you flashed it, did you verify the flash?
    the skypro will usually give a verify error if something like this happens.
    Now, after you flash this is what I want you to do.

    Flash the bios.
    Then READ the bios again after you flashed it. (read it off the chip that you flashed).

    If it is 4E 56. You need to flash it again from the correct 55AA on your drive.

    Keep reflashing and re-reading it until it is 55AA.
    Once it's 55AA, your vbios will work.
     
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  4. Danishblunt

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    Try to verify your BIOS and see if it doesn't do misreads / miswriting.
     
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  5. Z3us_PL

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    Thank you Falkentyne, I will try do this as you describe, but to be sure that we understand each other well.
    My original vbios that works is the one attached in the post no#1549 (86.04.2A.00.29).
    My gtx 1070 displays image on the monitor only on 86.04.2A.00.29.
    Are you saing that I have to take Coolanes 86.04.72.00.13 vbios and try to flash it until I have 55AA?
     
  6. Falkentyne

    Falkentyne Notebook Prophet

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    I honestly dont know now. :/ I spent so much energy trying to help. But if that is indeed the original vbios, then I guess I'm wrong and I can only say I don't know.

    All I remember is a MSI user on a fully working vbios and tweaker build had the black screen issue until he kept reflashing until he got 55AA. Discussed in Pm and elsewhere. They found out the 1.8v adapter was corrupting the file header and the first 2 bytes.
    You need to do some independent thinking yourself here.

    Did you verify coolane's file?
    After you flashed it, did you re-read it and see if it was 55AA or did it read as something else?
     
  7. Danishblunt

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    I might sound like a broken record here, but I'll say it again, try to verify the vBios.
     
  8. Z3us_PL

    Z3us_PL Notebook Consultant

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    Ok, I will check it tonight.
     
  9. debianik

    debianik Notebook Consultant

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    Try to modify your stock vbios in these place
    [​IMG]
    Then flash it back.

    If that simply changing place two sings not working (black screen) then you cannot modify your vbios.

    I have the same problem with 1030GT destkop - i cannot change anything even simple like that - it boots but black screen and vnc shows 43 and very low resolution.
     
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    re23071998 Notebook Enthusiast

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    any news?
    just got a laptop with mx150 10w and it always hitting power limit. temps are good at 60°C
     
  11. Danishblunt

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    Oh lord you got the nerfed 150MX? Oo

    Even unnerfed, it won't be that much better I'm afraid.
    The card is extremely low end. Considering your 60c at 10W, upping ur TDP would likely cause instant death or 100c, since 25TDP is 150% more power.
     
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    It really is aimed at the lighter e-sports titles.
     
  13. re23071998

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    yeah, the performance is quite okay for me, FIFA 19 1080p high, Titanfall 2 mixed settings 1080p, waiting for sekiro, wish I can still play it :v .
    I bought this laptop on sale and it has 512gb 960 Evo on it.
     
  14. Falkentyne

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    Did anyone test the new temperature settings?
    I assume this does nothing for the "-13 mhz every 6C" pascal throttling cancer, does it?
     
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    Z3us_PL Notebook Consultant

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    I verified everything and I think this version of the card I have (1070) is completely blocked. I'm sure its not TM1 issue. I have 1080 too and the mod went smoothly to 215TDP. Thank you all for trying to help :).
     
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    lsflp Notebook Geek

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    Where I can buy the IC bios for one clevo 1080, and what's its the reference?

    Thanks
     
  17. Lumlx

    Lumlx Notebook Consultant

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    Get vbios chip name from gpu. Type it into google. Find a link with digikey website or any other that sells electronic components. Done

    Keep in mind that chip will be empty so you will need spi programmer to flash corresponding vbios into it
     
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    lsflp Notebook Geek

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    OK, the chip say W 25q80ew, thanks

    Now I search some programmer compatible
     
  19. hans12321

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    Is there anything i need to care about if i want to mod the zephyrus m vbios? It's 8th gen cpu 8750hq.

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  20. Lumlx

    Lumlx Notebook Consultant

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    Laptop cooling and power delivery.
     
  21. hans12321

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    Thank you. I have already did this to my aw 13 but i wanted to know whether the power delivery is fine with approxemately 150 watts. I will do a repaste for temps.

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    Check the VRM design, see what the chips are rated for and check their data sheets to see if they are likely going to go past their efficiency curve badly.
     
  23. DRevan

    DRevan Notebook Virtuoso

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    Yee, check f you vbios is stored on a separate winbond chip!OR it is stored inside thr bios?
    Some laptops have the vbios implemented i side the bios and you can not mod that.
     
  24. hacktrix2006

    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    It might not be a read error though, My GTX 1060 MSI MXM module (Gsync) was also the same having the 4E 56 offset, This was via both SPI dumping, NVFlash Dumping as well as Downloaded firmware from MSI Site. So its not always a Dump fail it could be how the Vbios is set.
     
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    TnF Notebook Consultant

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    Hello guys. I happen to have a HP Zbook 17 G5 from work with a Quadro P3200 6gb and i7-8850H..This is essentially a 1070 downclocked to 1328mhz base/1543mhz boost 1753mhz memory with a locked bios which performs like a 1060 6gb. Thermals are good only gets up to 56oC at full load (PUBG). I have a minipro TL866A and just ordered a 1.8V adapter and a soic8 clip so we can play a little. The card is on an MXM slot, and i still haven't got it out to check what bios chip it actually uses. Think i will do it in the weekend. NVflash/gpu-z is unable to read the bios, but detects the card under --list, seems to be not in the supported list. (Adapter not accessible or supported EEPROM not found, skipping nvflash)
    Think we can do something? :)


    edit: btw i see there is a winbond W25Q128JVSQ on the motherboard but i wouldn't think the vbios is integrated with the main bios as the card is on an mxm slot and this laptop can be configured with amd graphics as well. Any way i can check?
     
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  26. Lumlx

    Lumlx Notebook Consultant

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    Disassemble and check. Cant remember which laptop has vbios chip onto motherboard itself.
     
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    If its MXM it will be on the gpu, if its soldered it will be integrated into the system bios.
     
  28. TnF

    TnF Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah probably. I will disassemble it this weekend and see what chip there is
     
  29. Danishblunt

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    Zbook G5 has soldered chip on notebook.
     
  30. TnF

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    Too late, i've already disassembled it. Full gallery here: https://imgur.com/gallery/UkqiShX

    There seems not to be a vbios chip on the mxm card, both front and back. The only 8-pin IC which is suspicious and i haven't found a datasheet on it is marked EN G830 https://i.imgur.com/AZxHfT3.jpg
    On the motherboard there are 2 chips. One which is the main bios winbond W25Q128JVSQ and next to it there is a flash memory ic (assuming it stores uefi diag tools and the like) and there is another bios winbond 25q80dvsig (w25q80dv) marked "TPT" on the motherboard silk screen print which i'm not 100% certain what bios is used for https://i.imgur.com/FsoXGZ2.jpg

    Any ideas?
     
  31. t456

    t456 1977-09-05, 12:56:00 UTC

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    You can ignore the G830, but that 8Mbit Winbond eeprom might very well be storing vbios. It is the right size, at least, and it is used to store some type of firmware or another. Read it out and you'll know which component it is for. Could also be LAN, BT, a bga hard drive or touch-pad, but even if so then there's no harm done.

    If it isn't the vbios after all then check the bios for oproms or keep hunting the motherboard; it won't be stored in the cloud, assuredly.

    Btw, the card does seem to have an eeprom footprint, at least:

    [​IMG]

    Same as with motherboards it is possible to make a generic design and leave out or amend certain parts if the customer makes specific requests. HP uses oproms for many of their models and have done so for quite some time, so they could very well have ordered a batch of no-vbios versions.

    With a multimeter you could check whether there's 3.3V when measured between the pin at the bottom right and the one top-left. If so then there's a good chance you could drop in an eeprom there, pre-programmed with your modded vbios. The system might see two cards, but you could simply disable the oprom model (or not install its drivers).

    Edit:
    Did a quick search; this P4000 MXM has its vbios stored at the same location, ergo ... :

    [​IMG]
     
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  32. Danishblunt

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    Wow, thanks for correcting me. That's actually great news for me! I didn't know zbooks run on MXM.

    At least the MXM card does not have a conventional vBIOS chip. It is strange that it cannot seem to find a vBios chip with nvflash, so the vBios might be stored in the actual BIOS.
     
  33. mambo1111

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    ok done... (TDP:200W) interesting to see that 1900mhz on the 0.925v node brings more performance than 1900mhz on 0.912v or less. power consumption was never over 165w. i need min. 170w TDP to unlock stable 0.925v otherwise it can go down to 0.912v even if it only drains 140w. also when i just oc the core without the voltage curve it crashes with +100mhz after a while and the performance is worse.
    anyone else with the same behaviour?
     
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  34. hans12321

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    I did a repaste to my zephyrus few hours ago. Want to do the vbios mod too for it. This should be the vbios chip if i'm right. Could someone confirm this? [​IMG]

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  35. TnF

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    I don't know how i missed that eeprom pad xD Still no idea about OPROM, i could dump the 2 bios chips and we go from there for a start. Putting a new vbios chip onboard might work, but might break something as well. As for the eeprom that should work on the card can you tell me the model so i order some to be on the way?


    I think this is pretty common with UEFI bios to have vbios integrated lately but i am not familiar with it. I will dump both chips when my clip arrives and we go from there.
     
  36. debianik

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    Looks like your Vbios sits in main motherboard BIOS. You can try search it with phoenix/dell tool to modify slic and other things
    https://forums.mydigitallife.net/th...slic-in-phoenix-insyde-dell-efi-bioses.13194/
     
  37. t456

    t456 1977-09-05, 12:56:00 UTC

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    With Quadro and Radeon cards you need a 2Mbit eeprom or larger (regular/game versions only need 1Mbit). Macronix, Winbond, SST and STMicroelectronics are the most commonly used brands for vbios eeproms, so an SPI eeprom with form factor SOIC8+150mil from either of these has a good chance to be supported by both the hardware programmer and nvflash ('supported' = listed in lookup table).

    These two listings are good offers:
    MX25L2005M*** (9x for $4)
    Pm25LD020-SCE (8x for $5)

    Mind the orientation when soldering the chip in place; pin #1 is goes bottom left, nearest distance to the closest heatsink mounting hole. That P3200 card looks very promising; even all the resistors and capacitors near the eeprom are still in place. With order-specific options they can also leave out the peripheral ICs to save a few pennies, but here it looks like they merely left the eeprom reel empty or they removed only this chip after the (automated) testing process of the full-fledged card:

     
  38. jaime360

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    Sorry I´ve been away, but here you have the pics of the test. I didn´t run it for longer because the temperatures didn´t look like they wanted to go any higher. I had the fans on max. Also the laptop is on a cooler, but nothing fancy. Any other things you want me to try?
    Also here you have my firestrike score

    https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17937519
     

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  39. kothletino

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    hdd - 22° and ssd - 23° in gt73vr, seriously?
    What kind of cooling pad is this "cooler"?
     
  40. re23071998

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    do I need a programmer?
    which one I should get?
     

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    Temps in the room are about 19-20º. Not using the drives, so I don´t see why they should be higher
     
  42. hans12321

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    Yesterday i have flashed my ASUS Zephyrus M with the modded vbios and it seems to have worked :) I have increased the tdp to 130 watts instead of 115 watts. Max. GPU temps after repaste with LM and did this mod is about 80 degrees celcius which is in my opinion very amazing for this chassis. The temps are with a undervolted but overclocked GPU. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    I've made a post there but no-one yet replied. HP offers some tools but it is mostly regarding configuration, you can change some options not available in the bios which is good. One that i want to try is setting gpu to discrete only, it may allow me to bypass the 240Mhz pixel clock limit of the internal screen so i can overclock the screen past 105hz i am at the moment :)

    Thanks a lot. I know how to find the correct orientation :p Normally i need to check the card if it runs at 1.8VCC or 3.3VCC, shouldn't I? Also if you look the guy with the zephyrus below has a very similar chip on the motherboard that has the vbios 25Q80 like my "TPT" chip. So it is possible vbios is stored in there?

     
  44. hans12321

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    You can try it! You can't do anything wrong when you just read that chip you found on your motherboard. But care on that the clip is in the right position to not damage the chip or chipset!

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  45. hans12321

    hans12321 Notebook Consultant

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    And i don't know if my equipment is the right one for the chip on your motherboard! Maybe anyone else could help you there.

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  46. t456

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    Yes, the multimeter would be the best choice to find out since you'll be able to confirm it's a 'live' pad at the same time. The P4000's eeprom's specification sheet would also be a good indicator.
    Perhaps, though it would be an oversized chip if so. It's as hans12321 mentioned; can't hurt to read it out (at the right voltage).
     
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  47. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    The ZBook 15 G5 has an on-board GPU; the ZBook 17 G5 still uses MXM, as @TnF's pictures show, quite clearly.
     
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    For anyone who is interested in:

    I have recently did a repaste and after i had good temps (between 70-80 in games) i decided to do the vbios mod.

    I modded my vbios with @Coolane tdp editor tool for pascal chips to an max. Tdp of 130 watts which can be increased with afterburner to 145 watts (stock: 115 watts). Temps are still decent (max after gaming 85 degrees).

    My original vbios and the modded one i'm using one right now are in the zip package.

    But please take care and as always:

    I'm not responsable for any damages to your device through any kind of modding and using this vbios files! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] View attachment ZephyrusM GM501GS GTX1070 VBIOS&mod.zip

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    Maybe you could try to use lm to get better temps?
     
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