My 5920g...WITH A HD 4650! (need help)

But I think that this wouldn't be a good alternative, so if you use too much thermal paste (0,8mm is definitely too much) the thermal paste doesn't do a good jop. I think it would be nearly the same as you don't use any thermal paste.

 

thermal paste is more conductive than air but less conductive than copper. it needs to be as thin as possible, just enough to cover the air gaps.

 

Sigh...alright, i'll go look for some copper

 

Have you already found another shop, which sells copper sheets?

 

@gridracer I haven't looked yet, I have exams at the moment so i'm not worrying about it. By the time my exams will be over, its going to be januari, and right after those i'm going to istanbul for a week so. By the time I get back in februari, hopefully someone will have tried As Creed 2 on his acer aspire 5920g with t7300 and an ati hd4650.

 

I am going to test it as soon as it has released in February. I also think that there wouldn't be a great difference between T9300 and T7300.

 

Ye but minimum requirements are there for a reason, ascreed one needs 2.2 minimum. When I installed it said that my 2 ghz core 2 duo was fine though. Well, after the intro movie I got the white screen of death, the only way to play it was to boot it via direct x9 instead of direct x10. Part 2 wil need like 2.4 if not more.

 

I have just installed the ati 4650.
Everything is running fine.
I have Windows 7 64bit and i had not to install any drivers, windows detected the h/w change, downladed and installed the drivers.
DO NOT put the card in without the copper sheet mod.
DO NOT.
I did and there was the gap we were talking about and i almost fried my new card.
The screen had weird colors and nothing could be seen.
I put the copper with some arctic silver and all is fine now.
Now i have to find a programm to check the temps as the realtemp does not work with this card.
After that i will have the card under load to see what i can get.

 

Some questions..
I tried to install ati catalyst control center 9.12.
The one from ati's site, and it did not work as it is for windows 7 beta.
Then i installed a version (9.7) that worked.
I read that i can see the temp of the gpu from the cc but i can not.
Where should i go?
Then how can i load the vbios of clasic77?

 

Why don't you just download siw? If you click on sensors: you get all the temperatures, the hard drive, the cpu, the gpu, and so on. Its system information for windows.

 

Because i want only the temp for the gpu, i have the other sensors readings from other programms.
So, please answer only to my questions if somebody knows.

 

Lol, Just wanted to give you one program which would do it all at the same time. O well, you just can't satifsy some people.

 

My questions are specific.
I did not ask for a programm that does all these.
Thank you for your suggestion but is not what i am searching for.

 

So congrats to you for your working upgrade. ^^
The programm you're looking for is called GPU-Z.
Edited vBios from classic77.

 

Thank you for the answer.
Very nice app.
But is there a way to see temps through ati catalyst control center?


Yes, i already have the edited bios but i do not know how to use it.
I have all the programms needed.

 

What you need is a bootable usb stick and ATIFlash 1.60.
For the bootable usb stick use the HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool.

And for the first only try if you can use simple parameters like "ATIFlash -i" or "ATIFlash/?".
If that works you can try another parameter "ATIFlash -s 0 NAME.ROM". With that parameter you can save your current bios under the name "NAME.ROM".
And if this also works properly you can flash your vBios with this parameter "ATIFlash -p 0 [Name of the new BIOS without the brackets].ROM".
The flashing procedure takes about 10-20 seconds. After that you get a short list of changes the program did.
And if you're back at "A:\" you can hit your power button and restart your Laptop.

 

No you can't see the temps in Catalyst Control Center. But why do you like to?
I don't think its necessary to let Catalyst opened while gaming.

 

Thanks a lot.
I will try your instructions tomorrow.

 

But I have to mention another thing.
Don't use ATIFlash in Windows. Only in real dos mode with your bootable usb stick.
And please run Furmark to find out the maximum temp.
With vBios mod mine is about 90.5°C in Furmark and about 82°C during playing but the highest I have seen during gaming was 88.5°C.

And please check if you're also getting picture freezes sometimes. I don't know why but I think they are coming from driver problems. But this was only for 4 times since I installed the graphics card one week ago.

 

Hmmm...you had freezes....
I wonder what short of drivers i had automatically installed by windows... What is your driver?
Without load the card is working at 53-55 °C, is it any good?
What is your temp without load?

Dos is not really my thing and i dont know how to get to dos mode from win.7.
If my highest temp is not above 100 °C i will leave it as it is.


edit (here is my driver):

 

I installed the Catalyst version 9.9 beta for win 7 32bit.
Where did you get your driver from? Is it whql certified?

Yes, 53-55°C is ok. My graphics card is also in this area without load.
With load it goes up to max. 90.5°C with Furmark. And during gaming to 88°C but most time about 82°C.

I could write you a detailed instruction for flashing the vbios if you want to.

Greetz GridRacer

 

I have 64-bit windows 7, so i had to drop to catalyst version 9.7.
The 9.9 does not work for me.
I install it and then it does nothing, like it has never been installed.
I did not have the moded one.
I really can not remember where i downloaded it from.
I think i followed a link from this forum.

It would be great if you have the time to make a little guide.
Thank you again.

 

If you open the gpu-z, the driver version appears to be 9.9 on your laptop?
Because i unistalled the previous version, installed 9.9 and gpu-z insists that i have 9.7.
Weird.
edit: Now i have catalyst 9.12 modded.

 

Does 9.12 works good for you?

For me GPU-Z doesn't even show the catalyst version.

 

Yes it does.
I downloaded the catalyst as usual and followed the instructions of mobilitymodder.



It is weird not working for you.

 

But when I had 9.12 it worked as yours. But I installed the 9.9 Beta because I think that the freezes may come from the desktop driver.

Do you also get bad synchronizes black bars during logging on when the display turns black?

 

Sorry but i did not understand when i could have these problems, can you explain?
Until now i have not noticed anything like that.

 

I also can't explain. ^^
They come and go ramdomly ... but only 4 times since I installed the card one week ago.

I'm just writing on the tutorial on how to flash the card, so I'm going to finish it in a few minutes.

 

I just finished the tutorial and uploaded it.

Tutorial Flashing ATI Graphics Card in DOS

 

Thank you.
No way i could have done it myself.
Rep added.

 

To you get these while card is on load only or does not matter?

 

Sometimes I get them also in Windows. I think it was caused by another program, which ran in the background while playing.
I didn't get some freezes for the last few days, so I'm happy. ^^

 

Thats great.
With a little help from classic77 now my ati is safely oc, have you tried that?
I played COD MW2 at max and the max temp reading was 86 C.
Not bad.

 

No, not yet.
How did you managed it?
And what clocks is your HD4650 running at?

 

AMD Gpu clock tool.
It is running at 574/533 from 550/500.
It can go much more up but the temps will also follow that way.

 

And what is the performance like?
Have you already done some 3DMark06 benchmarks?

 

I did not notice any difference but if my laptop runs graphics just easier with OC, that is fine to me.
I tried to do some benchmarks but there was an error with funmark.
Do you know any other programm?


Btw, i renewed the thermal paste and put a little more than before and it seems to be a little cooler at idle now, @ 52-53 C.
I also removed a thin plastic cover that was covering a large vent at the bottom of my laptop.

 

3DMark06 is used very often for benchmarking.

 

Oh yes, i meant 3d mark, furmark is for temps.
Anyway, the thing is that games that have high requirements can be played easily now.

 

Did you already tried games like Crysis?

My graphics card reaches 5478 3DMark06 Points on stock clocks.
And I can play Crysis at 1280x800 DX10 everything on Medium with 25-30 fps.
Which is a great advantage compared with my old graphics card.

And my temps are most of the time at 82-86°C with undervolt.

 

The game i tried which was a little ''hard'' for my previous nvidia is MW2 with all video settings at maximum.
I have ~23 fps and not more than 86 °C.

 

Some dude here in urkey wants to trade his internet bought 3650 512mb ddr2 m86 qimonda from toshiba a300-25v with my 8600mgt 256mb ddr2 Which bios do I need for acer 5920g? And WHİCH BİOS FOR ACER 5920G . British guy in ebay pm d me that he has 25x25x0.9mm size for copper shim spacer was planning to buy for 6930g but for 5920g and ati 3650 can I also use spacer that size? Should I order 2 copper shim spacer one for 6930g one for 5920g?

 

I have found out that when trying to find the max setting with gpu tool I get better results (frame per second) by overclocking just the memory rather than overclocking the core too.
When I overclock the core I don't see any increase in frame in the gpu tool test (18 frame per second before and after core overclock).
So my guess is that the ATI 4650 DDR2 is memory limited.
And then by overclocking just the memory I can save some degrees and get a real increase in frame. (21 frame average compare to 18)
My max memory overclock (stable) is then 584 with 9.12 catalyst drivers under gpu tool benchmark without any error

Another thing is that i found out that the 4650 is directx10 optimized (3dmark vantage) compare to the 9600M which is directx9 optimized (3dmark06) because i get better results with 3dmark vantage which is directX10 optimized.
So when planning to play directX 10 games the 4650 will be a better choice than the 9600M
And the 9600M will be better for directx9 games

 

how far can memory then clocked safely?
sometimes the name/markings on it lead to a datasheet with their specs (even higher clocks some times)
did anyone look on the ddr2 ones?

and yes the 4650 is memory limited as if you read some test they all tell that the ddr3 version is faster 20-25% in some case but not always and be honest saving energy/heat on a laptop is nice to have thus ddr2 isn't that bad

 

Mine is happy at 600mhz.

Its not actually chip temperatures that have held my core back but my HDD getting too hot.

I'm getting an SSD soon so I should be able to put it back up to 675mhz/600 at 1.1v

 

How hot are your HD4650s getting during furmark?
Mine is getting up to 90°C max with standard clocks, undervolted and fan mod.

 

I've got a max of 86°C.
Maybe you should check your paste, as i have lower idle temps too.

 

Are you running your card with higher clocks and undervolted/fan mod?

 

Yes, oc and modded bios.

 

Mine could go 645Mhz in summer and 655Mhz in winter max. I use copper ram coolers but without the cooler also get same o.c. results. But back 8600mgt ram used to go 400 to 475 Mhz without cooler, with cooler it goes up to 525Mhz. For my 4650 it is safe 630Mhz without any problem but it differs fro card to card.