NVIDIA GT 650M Benchmarks

I have the same problem, but I can't pinpoint the cause. No OC. Temps seems fine.

I have tried both Dell's driver and Nvidia's latest beta.

 

Have you tried re-flashing the bios? It's available from the dell support site. It seems to reset whatever has gone wrong.

 

It does. But I need to prevent this since I can hardly notice it without a test.

 

Damn, 102°C just by running a 10 minutes bench like 3dmark11. That's crazy poor cooling.

 

Hey Guys! i recently recieved my laptop from HP, and even though it was 3 days late, it was well worth it. Alright so the games i put on here right now are: Shogun 2: Total War and all its DLC, Empire: Total War, Civilization V, Starcraft 2, Wargame: European Escalation, and Counter Strike: Source (btw, if this is info you already know or dont care, just ignore the post)
Im playing at a 1366x768 resolution, because at 1080p, the 650m probably wouldnt last long.

At shogun 2, after tinkering with the Optimization, i got the 650m to play at ultra settings without any flaws, so assume its around a solid 40 FPS.

Empire: Total War runs perfectly, its an older game, maxed out at probably 60 FPS

Wargame: European Escalation suprisedme a bit. The default set itself at a mix of low medium settings. I tried maxing everything out... and it still works beautifully. solid 40 FPS, even with such a large field.

Civilization V, i was worried about it, because i had heard about some coding issues similar to GTA IV and Metro 2033 where nothing coul play it solidly. This game was set at max settings, and works like a charm. Very well at probably aroun 60 FPS, no stuttering like people said there was going to be.

Starcraft i ran maxed out as well no hitches. Sometimes i dipped into the high 20s when a lot of units was on the screen, but other than that it works awsome and looks beautiful.

Counter Strike Source runs like it should. High everything at 40 FPS+

 

What do you mean the 650M wouldn't last long at 1080p? It was kinda sorta built for that, and mine can bear the grunt of the FHD. IMO that's the best part about having this card, you can play at 1080p without sacrificing that much fps.

 

I would definitely try the games at 1080p before bumping the resolution down. And even then don't go for 768p right away. Make a pit stop at 1600x900.

I was playing Crysis 2 for about an hour or so on 900 before I realized it. Still looked pretty good. Obviously moving to native made a noticeable difference once I noticed.

 

Trying to figure out what you mean by this. If you meant life of the chip, don't worry about it. I'm sure cooling is adequate as it's a supported resolution. Run msi afterburner it hwmonitor while playing. If max doesn't reach higher than 84-88 C it's fine. Did you mean something else?

 

He probably meant either poor performance or overheating and throttling because of that. (Not that any of these would occur..)

 

even though i want to, i cant. My screen doesnt play on more than 768.

 

i dunno what i meant by what i said. Alright i take it all back, but im still content at 1366x768. Im not a huge screen stickler, and i dont notice much.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ies-prema-bios-mod-review-11.html#post8702725

 

I played around with some overclocking on my dv7tqe with a GT 650m 2GB card.

Using MSI afterburner, I set a +75 core clock, and a +202 memory clock. I ran GPU-Z during each test with logging to file enabled on the sensors tab. I also ran CPUID Hardware Monitor to track CPU temps.

The high scores for 3dmark 06, 11 & vantage are as follows:

3dmark 06: 15489
3dmark 11: P2506
3dmark vantage: P10701

The clocks reported by GPU-Z during the benchmarks were core at 911.3 & memory at 1101.6, core temp never exceeded 75 degrees C.

Temps on the CPU reached 97 degrees C on the package, and 96, 95, 93, 94 on the cores.

Someone on another forum stated that the GT 650m GDDR5 card would always throttle down to an 835 core speed, no matter what overclock was applied. That was not my experience. The GPU-Z log file always reported a 911.3 core and a 1101.6 memory clock during the benchmarks. The only deviation was when the core and memory clocks decreased in the transition areas between benchmarks.

I'm curious if these findings are similar to what others are seeing, and what others have found to be optimal core / memory clocks for this card. The core temp never exceeding 75 C is promising I think, just not sure how much is left, or safe.

Thanks,

Les.

 

I have my 650M clocked at 970mhz/3000mhz (I have the GDDR5 version) and I also don't see my card going above 75C. I think it doesn't really go high by itself, it shares the heatpipe with the processor so whenever the processor turboboosts it also heats up the card. It did that when I rendered a video on After Effects, I just had the processor running and the card wasn't used at all but it still went up to 70C.

 

Wow, i don't think i want to go quite that high. Nice to know there is a lot of headroom on this card though.

 

There are no particular problems OC'ing the 650M, particularly the GDDR5 version: The DDR3 version already comes 90MHz higher, so the architecture must be rock solid at this level.

Using a burn-in test you can get some pretty high temperatures with the 650M (at least in an Inspiron 7720), but real world usage is much lower. Playing LA Noire at almost max settings for a few hours with a 900MHz OC got me a maximum of 88C. I tested it at 970, and it seems perfectly stable but thermals were becoming an issue.

Essentially, I reckon you can stably push this card pretty much as far as your thermals (and software OC'ing) will take you. I think the DDR3 version has been pushed a fair way over 1000MHz before stability began causing issues.

 

The 650m gddr5 has absolutely no problems operating at 1100 MHz core as long as it doesn't heat-throttle. It probably works fine at 1200 MHz as well if you can get it there

Edit: Se this http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ies-prema-bios-mod-review-12.html#post8703474 for some insane, INSANE, 650m overclocking

 

Yeah it's crazy how the 650M GT doesn't heat up even OCed, it's the friggin cpu that is warming up the whole package on the shared pipe for me too. If i lock the cpu at lower multiplier with throttlestop, temps stay incredibly low, and there's virtually no temp restriction to OC the 650M GT at its max.

Seeing how hot intel quads are, i'm thinking about getting a 3720qm someday just to have higher base clocks and makes it run at lower multiplier and thus get a cool and quiet lap during gaming...It's a bit of a shame to buy a strong cpu and not to use it at full speed, but nowadays almost all laptops throttles at full cpu turbo anyways...

 

Thats why I believe i5 dual cores are good enough. i7 quad should be bought for people who really need the performance and have a good cooling in place. I reckon when 14nm comes out quads will be great then.

 

I think a lot depends on the design of the cooling system for individual laptops.

The Inspiron 7720's 3610qm utterly refuses to go much above 80C even after running at 8 threads, full turbo at 100% load all day... On the other hand, the GPU cooling doesn't sound as good as described above.

 

just finished a 4 hour session on Civilization 5. a little hot, but mostly from the processor. all maxed out, no lag or anyting. loving my laptop.

 

How did you manage to clock yours up that high? The most I can push mine with NVIDIA Inspector is 880MHz

 

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,CLEVO CO. W150ER score: P3288 3DMarks , using the guide from here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...guide-workaround-max-clocks-oc-stability.html

 

Wonderful scores! I really love these kepler cards

THAT is an interesting method! If I can get it to work I'm in heaven

 

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,CLEVO CO. W150ER score: P3378 3DMarks ... holy...

 

I have MSI Afterburner. I use it to OC the card.

I think not all 650M's are configured with a boost clock level. Some people can go even higher than 1k on the core, if they OC the Performance level P5 (I have P0, which I think is the boost performance level; it can only go as high as +135 on the core).

 

No, you can unlock max on p5 in nvidia Inspector and then force the gpu to p5 state.

 

I have heard that it might not be a good idea to change P-level like that because different P-levels have different settings and clocks, and core and memory are not the only things that are effected.

 

No, i didn't think its good either but I was monitoring my stuff really really closely. I had like 6 hw monitors open logging everything and it seems fine for now. I just did a test at 3k mem and got 3385 3d marks( http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3889925) and i've done it a few times and the score is quite reproduceable for stability. I think thats my limit before overvolting. I was also taking note of the voltages and stability and found that 43.7% oc might just be a sweet spot for the card (working on it, don't ask why yet but you can test 43.7% yourself too, cause I might be wrong).

 

Have you tested heavy gaming? I guess that if that works then it should be ok.

 

Crysis 2, works flawlessly for at least 45 min though I think I will have to reduce clocks a bit to be absolutely stable, esp the memory. Crysis 2, hardcore settings 1080p, 30-34 fps outside is nice .

 

Prime95 will give you ~90°C. But in a N7720 it's almost impossible to go any higher since it will clockdown to keep it cool. I think in BIOS that is set as top temp.

The problem is that CPU will heat up and block GPU boost function and that means no OC either. And this is even before hitting the GPU limit set at 90°C also.

The good new is that you don't really need all that CPU power at all for gaming. Keep it as low as possible.

I know I've said this before, 650 is a great card, but in most laptops it is used in bad designed cooling systems.

 

OK, so I've tried overclocking, and can run perfectly stable at 1100MHz with Furmark. However, I am having fairly poor FPS in Team Fortress 2. I noticed with GPUZ/ NVI open, that GPU usage is usually less than 50%, and never goes above 65%. My CPU usage is also around 30%, balanced across the threads (dual-core i5).
If I ramp up the AA/AF in TF2, the FPS goes down, but the GPU usage does not increase.
This is annoying, because I know that if the GPU usage was higher, then I could run with higher AA/AF at a comfy fps.

So, is there anything I'm missing here, or is it simply the games fault?
-Windows power plan is on Max Performance
-In Nvidia Control Panel Power Management Mode is set to prefer Max Performance
-I am not throttling at all (CPU is ~75c, GPU ~65c)

 

I experienced the low gpu usage problem with the 304.48 beta drivers. With the 403.79 beta drivers (from laptopvideo2go) the problem is almost solved.

 

I am already on 304.79 sadly

Thanks for the suggestion though.

 

Do your manufacturer offer gpu drivers for your computer on their website? Maybe from the 29x.xx series? The latest drivers from my manufacturer is the 296.31 and I didn't experience any low gpu usage problem with those (with the limited selection of games that I have played since I bought my computer).

 

Have you tried it with TF2? I get no such problems on other games such as Fallout 3 and GTA IV, it's just source engine games with the problem. But I will try those drivers if I can find the CD.

 

I haven't tried TF2. With 304.48 GTA IV was almost unplayable due to low gpu usage but with 304.79 it runs almost good with only a few gpu usage drops.

 

Maybe the GPU doesn't kick in at all and all it uses is the integrated graphics? Chech in the NVIDIA Control Panel which GPU TF2 Uses. I installed The Sims 3 on my PC and it used the integrated GPU by default. So you might have to force it to run on the NVIDIA GPU

 

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to the forums but stumbled upon this really intresting thread considering I just bought my first laptop which is more gaming oriented (Asus N76VZ with a 2GB DDR3 650M).

Although all this info is pretty overwhelming, the fact that I was playing BF3/Crysis on Ultra in 1080p and it ran pretty well (not SUPER fluid but playable imo) and you are all saying it's possible to push the limits of the card is quite interesting! (I always aim to get the max out of anything I buy )
I am already pleased with the performances of this laptop, getting more would be the cherry on top of the cake.

That being said, I have installed the latest 304.79 beta drivers. Am I still SOL for OCing at the moment?
And is there a definitive post explaining how to do it? Preferably for the DDR3 version of the 650M .
Since it's my first time I'm looking into OCing or just getting better performances for more demanding games, what are the precautions other than not exaggerating too much?

OR: do I just have a wrong idea of overclocking and should not look into regular overclocking my system in order to game? (Just good for benchmarking, and seeing how far NVidia will/should be able to push this card with official drivers)

Any help for this newbie would be greatly appreciated!

(Hopefully posting in the right thread, considering alot of people are just posting benchmarks)

 

Hi guys, I'm new here, this is the only place I could find where the GT 650M is being discussed about, so here goes


I recently bought a Samsung NP550P5C laptop,
3rd Gen i5 3210M
2GB Nvidia GT 650M DDR3
6GB RAM
1600x900p
1TB HD

I've installed Max Payne 3, the gameplay is decent during the first 10-15 mins i.e 40-50 fps, but then there is a drastic drop in frame rate to 8-10 fps, it stays at 8-10 fps for about 30-50 seconds and then goes back up to 40-50 fps, this happens even when paused!!! and occurs again after 2 mins. so every time there's a drop in frame rate I have to pause and wait for the fps to increase, its really frustrating . This happens to all games installed i.e NFS Hot pursuit, BF3...etc
the GPU temperature is around 80-88 degree Celsius while gaming
I thought its a driver problem, so installed a Beta version driver released by Nvidia, but the problem remains. any ideas?

I did a little searching and found out that fps drops when the gpu overheats,
but overheating usually happens to old/aged computers, mines hardly a week old. and I'm not blocking any air vents, I've propped it on a book and there's even a tower fan blowing air to cool it down.

So, could it be a manufacturing defect or should I get a proper laptop cooler??
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Open up a temperature monitoring program (e.g. HWinfo) and leave it open when you play. After your fps drops, alt tab and check the max CPU and GPU temps.

If either of them are over 90c there's a big chance that your computer is overheating. Overheating isn't limited to old computers. Maybe you got a defective computer, or the Samsung is badly designed.

 

yea the gpu reaches about 90c cpu 88-89, n even when the game is paused there's a drop in frame rate, would it be possible to return it and get a new piece? I'm guessing its a defective piece, as other users seem to have no problem, n also it seems fine when I'm not gaming, works perfectly, no BSOD or lag or anythin of that sort, only gaming seems to be the problem.

 

Yeah, it should be covered under warranty.

 

I am using nvidia optimus inspector and it is most defiantly running on the Nvidia GPU. When I look at it in GPUZ, I can see the VRAM filling up and the clock boosts. If I force it to run on the HD4000, It doesn't show up in test tool, so I know it is normally running on the dGPU.

I guess its just a beta driver problem. I get the same problem in Garry's mod (it uses the same game engine as tf2), however in portal 2 which uses an updated version of source I do get 99% GPU Usage and higher FPS with no problems.
I will roll back to the Clevo drivers at some point and see what that does.

 

Hi folks.....Excellent thread.

I am about to buy Samsung NP550P5C-S01IN offcourse it is indian version with I5 GT650M (DDR 3) 1Tb hrd disk 6 gb ram & 1600*900 resolution. But I am worried abt throttling issue which has started surfacing up recently with many buyers of GT650M. I am worried abt this (read throttling). 2-3 comments above also the problem has been expalined.
I have read whold thread right post no. 1 to last...it seems overclocking thread. Plz guys need ur help to get to this matter of throttling. Is this normal or If this is related to poor design i.e. Cpu getting hot nd making near by GPU hot nd eventually clock reduce to lower down temp.
Is there any way to eliminate this issue......

CakeFish I hv seen ur sig. u hv same model....can u hlp me out...

I wanna buy this model by this weekend. NEED SERIOUS HELP.

 

Here ya go!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...guide-workaround-max-clocks-oc-stability.html
Just make sure to put -forcepstate:0,5 instead of 0,2 for the shortcut and if you want to OC the memory you have to raise the memory in the turbo (P0) state before OC'ing in the P5 state. Good luck!

 

it doesnt' work (i have 550p5c model too), cant' set any P State, except P0 and P8

 

Hello everybody,

This is my first post. So today i've got my dell inspiron 7720 se... finally... i've tracked this thread just to see the performance of skyrim... notebookcheck.net wasnt wrong about 25 fps on ultra... for gt 650m GDDR5 of course... and i7 3610m... well actually i've been playing with 40+ mods, and hd pack.... but it is quite fluent... but +5-10 fps would be better... So i think about slight overclock of gpu...or i'll lower shadow or some other settings

P.S. Nvidia 304,79 beta drivers gives me +2-3 constant FPS ... if i compare to standard dell drivers.

 

Hmm...what GPU do you have? You might not have a Kepler card (ie. 640m LE) and you'll just be able to OC the P0 right off the bat without using a guide.