New details about Nvidia`s Maxwell

Exactly . That's what I'm waiting for. It's just as bad as waiting for my alienware 17 to go from in production to shipped .

 

I agree. Its interesting though
You can also see that this particular OEM is running 1020MHz on the GTX 860M. It will undoubtly be very fast. GTX 750 Ti is at 1085MHz so they are close

 

Since it is paired in gaming laptop with maxwell-like GPU. I recall review about CPU bottleneck with 680m on 3630qm. And since 860m~680m and 4700mq~3630qm... you don't really put ulv cpus or i3 to the comparison when talking about gaming notebook, do you? Now IMO 4800MQ is mid-range here.

Don't you get? So that they would paint a beautiful graphic about " NOW 50% PERFORMANCE BOOST WITH NEW NVIDIA BOOST 3.0 TECHNOLOGY!!!":thumbsup:

 

It's getting ridiculous with base clocks and boost clocks between Intel and nVidia. It's like a cop out in case the machine doesn't run as fast as it should. One 860m runs at 1000MHz, the other at 800MHz, but their excuse will be "well, base clocks are 540MHz, so anything extra is a bonus". Intel does the same thing.

 

theres more than two chinese dude lurking in this forum, including me, but i didn't post much info bout maxwell since the 860m is just nothing too interesting, the more interesting stuff is the gtx870m vs gtx680m and the 8 series maxwell MX cards.... though i must agree chinese forums tend to have more people with the engineering sample cards for benchmarking, and thats where all the leaks come from since the NDA is non-existent in china

i'd say the 860m's performance is either a cold boot benchmark with rising temp or carried out in the coolest running machine out in the market in order to sustain the 1Ghz clock speed, afterall we can't expect 750Ti performance in a laptop, at least its thermally incapable in the long run

 

There's almost no difference between 4700MQ and 4800MQ and I don't know why you bring up i3 and ULV as they're not even in the same ballpark. An i7 does not bottleneck 680M much less 860M which is slower.

 

Well not quite true. The 4800MQ is 300MHz faster stock and boost, and 500-700MHz faster with XTU, which is pretty significant. That is if your system can handle proper cooling of the chip. But yeah, no way an i7 quad bottlenecks a single top end mobile GPU at this point in time.

 

680m bottlenecked by i7 3630qm? Not even a 780 ti will get bottlenecked by a i5 4570

 

You can also OC the 4700MQ by 200 MHz so the gap is not that big.

 

HTWingNut did took the 200MHz boost into his claim

4700MQ vs 4800MQ
stock vs stock: 300mhz
XTU vs stock: 100mhz
stock vs XTU: 700mhz
XTU vs XTU: 500mhz

so he did cover all performance gap, and intel did intentionally made sure the lowest end i7 quad have absolutely no chance surpassing anything above it, the 700mhz(500mhz) boost is significant, but not significant enough that there exists any kind of mobile GPU. SLI inclusive, that will be bottlenecked due to the use of a lower end i7 quad current gen

 

Not to mention the 4700MQ lacks vPro, VT-d, and Trusted Execution Technology.

 

Uhmm how big is the difference betwwen GTX860m and the GTX760m? I would love the MSI GS60 but it's just way over my budget and I might settle with the Asus G56jr which is kinda a rebranded N56.

 

its big enough that the 860m rivals the 770m, for which the 770m is 30% more powerful than the 760m (in other words, the 760m is 23% slower than the 770m)

any double digit percentage difference is a big difference

 

Woah!! the really alot. Hopefully it's price goes down in a month or two or else I can't really afford it. Anyway thanks!!

 

Any idea what GPU this - MSI GP60 Leopard-009 15.6" Gaming Laptop. MSI GP60 Leopard-009 - will have?

 

GP ? GTX 850M i expect..

 

Why can't notebooks cool an 860M at 1Ghz, I'm pretty sure we can expect 750Ti performance in a laptop easily as we can currently cool 100W cards. Am I missing something there? (We already have 750Ti performance in a laptop!)

 

its stock clock is 540mhz that is why i'm being skeptical when the card is overclocked by 80%, i don't see a lot of cards capable of such

 

they can be oc to 1.02Ghz because it's gonna be basicly a 750 Ti for mobile it may even OC to +135mhz and then we will have a better card than the 750Ti with 50W TDP

 

At boost and overclocked that much, im sure it will draw more power than 50w. More like 60-65w

 

Amazon.com: MSI dominator
Check the prices wow...

 

lol at 4x 1tb samsung 840 evos

 

Holy mother of laptops!

 

With no vBIOS limitations it should overclock just like the 750ti, and I don't see any temperature limitations in notebooks with good cooling that are capable of cooling 100W. I think limitations will be vBIOS related (+135Mhz limit), and possibly dangerous voltage level limited (with unlocked overvoltable vBIOS).

 

Haha, $5952!! Anyone that buys that needs their head examined! I couldn't even see what GPU it includes! Did I miss that, I can't even see what GPU is in that laughable offer? (For the added bonus all on a 180W power supply with Extreme CPU - what an insult!!)

 

I guess it's the 880M and they can't reveal it yet.

 

They should have done 880m SLI if its $6k. That 180w power brick suggest otherwise though

 

What I find frustrating is that all MSI maxwell laptop currently on the market either come with 8GB>12GB and Mechanical HDD variations without SSDs or Blu-rays I mean what is the point? except for some ghost that claims its lighter than razerblade and for that asks for 1699..What is even worse is that the 12 GBs are listed as unequal 8GB+4GB Iddms, unequal rams may work but why bother with the risk, why not 3*4GB which is even cheaper! If you find another maxwell laptop with better specs please post

 

Of course, but MSI doesn't have SLI setups.

 

XOTIC PC | ASUS G750JM-DS71
ASUS G750JM/J S in xoticpc page

 

u can't do 3x4gb ram on 2 sodimms. Also, there is no extra risk with uneven ram.

 

GTX 750 Ti have a tiny fan and it only runs for about 50-60C with 1.1GHz. I dont think we should have problems using GTX 860M with 1GHz in notebooks. Remember that the GTX 860M chips are binned and the voltage is lowered, so it will output less heat than the desktop version.
But that GTX 750 Ti linked to above was tested in a big desktop with air everywhere though. While GTX 860M will be in both thin and thicker notebooks. So temperatures will probably vary from what you look at. I think we will be overall impressed with the temps

GT 840M.
https://www.google.no/search?q=GP60+Leopard-009&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nb-NOfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&gfe_rd=cr&ei=UF8cU7DlMOmO8Qet6oHwCw

You are absolutely right Robbo. We should be able to get GTX 750 Ti performance and some with the GTX 860M.
Anandtech overclocked the GTX 750 Ti to whopping 1285MHz and got a 3C increase in temperatures but got a 15% increase in performance with the reference model with the tiny fan. Who knows, maybe we can touch GTX 680M performance with similar clocks?
AnandTech | The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti and GTX 750 Review: Maxwell Makes Its Move

The stock clocks are 540MHz - 1020MHz. It is not overclocked, its just a feature. All geforce cards have a turbo boost.
You are right that 540MHz as base and turbo boost at 1020Mhz is the first time I have seen such a big leap between base and turbo boost. There might be some errors with the GPU-z reading of the card when they made the marketing slide, so the base clock might be much higher than 540MHz. After all, GTX 750 Ti have a base clock at 980MHz.

GTX 750 Ti draw 52W when playing Crysis 2. It runs at 1085MHz. Our GTX 860M is at 1020MHz, it is binned and it runs on lower voltage. It will be very low
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_750_Ti/images/power_average.gif

That one have GTX 860M I think?
To be honest, I think if people have the money and want a GTX 860M notebook, I`d rather buy that Asus instead of the GE notebooks from MSI.
Asus is quality. I am very sceptical about GE series from MSI. GS or GT series are the only ones I think is good from MSI.

 

While it is all about Maxwell, M$ could do the following:

Show DX 12 demo,and reveal the PC specs, saying 790 is the first DX12 gpu.

Ending logo: Maxwell delayed,

M$

 

GTX 790 will still be able to launch along with Maxell cards. Maxwell will be no threat to a 2x2880 core Kepler.
So I don`t think it will interfere with Maxwell launch.

 

given that maxwell 28nm is 2x more efficient than kepler, 20nm maxwell will be a huge threat to that card.

 

Maxwell is very impressive, indeed. I'm anxious to see what kind of performance the replacement card (880MX or whatever) is to the 780M/880M.

 

Guys if anyone finds one of these
1)an 800 series GPU laptop with an SSD and windows 8 or
2) 800 series GPU with windows 7 please post as long as the price is 1500$ or less.
I really need your help finding a new laptop, Thank you for all your contributions

 

I've got a request - quad core i7 + 860M for less than $1000. Anyone knows where I can find a laptop like that?

 

Wait for W230SS, W355SSQ, W370SS.
It's a clevo, so, you should be able to get a Win 7 on it.

 

GTX 790 will feature 2x 2495 core as opposed to full Kepler. Nvidia wants power to be relatively not too big.

GTX 690(2 680) loses to GTX 780 Ti in games like Crysis 3 and when it beats it, the difference is not big. Keeping in mind that these GPUs are made on the same process and are part of Kepler family.

First Maxwell cards , 750Ti, not only is it a mobile orientated card with a strong punch in performance side but also, not a "true Maxwell" as marked in Nvidia slide. 1st gen differs from 2nd gen. A desktop orientated Maxwell cards will be a disaster for Kepler card to compete along.

That is why 790 does not have high changes not to be beaten by Maxwell successors.

 

The first high end Maxwell will be GM104. Sucessor of GK104. Aka GTX 680.
GM100 will probably arrive a year after GM104 had the market alone, same strategy as with Kepler. That one will be the real deal over the GTX 780 Ti.

GK104 (GTX 680) was actually only 25-30% faster than GF110 (GTX 580). And GTX 590 was around 10% faster than GTX 680. Click here. We are probably looking at the same this round too, with GTX 790 beating a GTX 880 with 10%+.
So I expect first high end (GM204) Maxwell to beat second high end (GK110) Kepler with 25%+. Remember that Maxwell is all about performance/ watt. That is the key element here. If you look at watt, GK104 was 50% more efficient than GF110. We are not looking at a GTX 880 beating a GTX 780 Ti with 100% better performance. That would be insane.

But who cares, its desktop anyway. GTX 790 does not interest me.

 

Right, that happened once in NV's history because GK110 was still being worked on. Every other family? Big die was released along with the rest. There's no reason to assume that a GK104 situation will happen again

Yes, I know about 680 and 590 etc. I am a desktop enthusiast. GM 200 was leaked in an early driver. GTX 780 Ti got beaten 3 months after its release, Titan Black came out. But, if 800 were scheduled for March release, we would have gotten a lot of leaks by that time. So, March release is not happening, at least for the flagships.

And no one cares about 790 as it is not primarily a consumer product, it is a marketing gimmicky which is also available for purchase.

 

CeBit have started. New notebooks will be announced, along with finally the 800M launch.

MSI GS60 with Maxwell and 3K display
MSI gaming laptop packs next-gen NVIDIA graphics and '3K' display into Ultrabook thickness

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@sin: I do think that if if Nvidia was looking to squeeze out most money out of Maxwell, they start with the high end with the smallest chip and move on to the big guns GM200 after a while. But Im just assuming of course. You could be right too, we will see

 

Maxwell will bring Nvidia back into the cryptomining game

They are the most reliable source for Desktop gpus.

 

Hopefully notebooks teased at CES2014 will have price/release dates finally... come'on Lenovo Y50.

 

I wonder which Maxwell will be in that? A 3K display implies it will be high end, but maybe not. It will be nice to see thin notebooks with 780M performance...

 

I'm waiting or the MSI GE60 Apache Pro.

 

MSI's nicknames for their new gaming notebooks are so ridiculous. :laugh:

 

Probably just an 860m which is ridiculous for a 3k display. 128-bit GPU trying to drive a 3k display. It is barely tolerable with a 1080p.

 

HTWingNut is correct, GS60 will have GTX 860M.
Clevo also have a small 13" with 3K display and GTX 860M. Same with Lenovo with their Y50 with 3K display and 860M.

I think its about packing as fast card they can inside the small chassis you find on the notebooks. Maxwell is clearly the best choice here in terns of heat/performance, and GTX 860M is the fastest Maxwell made right now. GTX 770M performance is nothing to complain about. It will be more than enough for 1080p gaming. Remember that it should have bandwidth similar to 192bit thanks to the big L2 cache. 3K gaming though, not so much

Anyway, here is the upcoming MSI notebooks and their specs. Since they now have named the 800M cards, the 800M launch is right around the corner.

MSI shows new gaming products at CeBIT