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    New details about Nvidia`s Maxwell

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. Amal77

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    3K(2880x1620) resolution will kill the performance of the GT 860M so much.

    An example of GTX 750 Ti performance :
    Battlefield 4 on 1920x1080 4AA - 28.3 FPS
    Battlefield 4 on 2560x1600 4AA - 16.1 FPS
     
    Amal77, Mar 10, 2014
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  2. hailgod

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    3k is just a stupid idea. 1080p for 14-15.6" is good enough. Instead of a 3k panel, they should let you get a high quality colour gamut one instead.
     
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    That's horrible... How can anyone play BF4 under 30 FPS? :err: You aren't fully experiencing the game, especially at 16~.
     
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    Guys so now after the CEBIT, are we going to get the GS60 with the other laptops or do we have to wait because I really want some SSDs, if its april then might aswell wait for 20nm and MX cards...
     
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    i dont think they will release 800M series and 800MX series so close to each other. It makes the kepler refresh completely redundant. If you want ssd, why not get an aftermarket one? Good ones like the crucial m500 and the Samsung 840 evo are relatively cheap nowadays. Definitely cheaper than getting retailers to upgrade the ssd for you.
     
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    What are the main benefits of Maxwell on 20nm compared to Maxwell on 28nm?
     
    ObserverJLin, Mar 10, 2014
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    That's exactly right. NVDA has to offload and squeeze out profits from their remaining G104 chips, thus 870m and 880m and 4-5 more months of Kepler. Higher-end Maxwells on 20nm won't see the channel until later this year.
     
    harmattan, Mar 10, 2014
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  8. hailgod

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    Huge performance improvement as they are able to fit 2x the transistors in the same die.
     
    hailgod, Mar 10, 2014
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    3k resolution? They would have better given us 16: 10 FullHD screen.
     
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    3K with an 860M is insanity.
     
    ThePerfectStorm, Mar 10, 2014
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    Amal77, Mar 10, 2014
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    I know, I was very impressed by that too!
     
    Cakefish, Mar 10, 2014
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    Razer Blade as we know is a thin 14" gaming utrabook.
    If a GTX 870M is using the Kepler version as we predicted, think of the TDP.

    Err... A GTX 870M Maxwell?? :p
     
    Amal77, Mar 10, 2014
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  16. ThePerfectStorm

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    Hopefully (but not likely) - otherwise we are looking at a briefcase nuke :p
     
    ThePerfectStorm, Mar 10, 2014
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    Drop details and turn off aa it's not needed. Or run at 1600x900 half screen resolution on that small panel will still look crisp.

    Beamed from my G2 Tricorder
     
    HTWingNut, Mar 10, 2014
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  18. ThePerfectStorm

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    1600x900 is a better bet, then you can run it with aa and some details.
     
    ThePerfectStorm, Mar 10, 2014
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    The great thing about 3K displays is that you can enjoy 3K in all the other stuff without gaming, and then just lower the resolution down to say 1080p or 1200p when you will be gaming :)

    I wish Alienware would add 3K display with the upcoming AW18. 880MX SLI will be absolutely amazing with that sort of display
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 10, 2014
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    The point is, no one buys msi gaming laptops for productivity. They dont need those extra pixels. The 3k resolution is pointless even for movies as most of them are only SD 480p, HD 720p or rarely FHD 1080p.
     
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    That is very true, but the displays (they are actually 3K IPS) is super crisp in desktop mode and when you do stuff like surf the web and such.
    There is a comparison between 3K and 1080p which MSI made, but I cant remember where I saw it.

    I agree that ideally one should match a 3K display with a GPU with more power. GTX 860M is the best they can do on a 15" slim chassis without packing in too much heat I guess. Until the midrange Maxwell`s arrive. :)
     
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  22. hailgod

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    I think the 3k resolution by msi and 4k resolution by lenovo is just offered to rival retina macbook pros. I hope msi makes a notebook with a much cleaner design though. No businessman would want dragon eyes at the back of their notebooks.
     
    hailgod, Mar 10, 2014
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    The Blade 14 is on the edge of it's limits with the 765M.. Perhaps this is the 17" Pro just not communicated properly? Not sure how they are going to pack an 870M in there (OC'd 770M?) without a redesigned cooling solution. I was hoping to see a refreshed Blade 14 with an 860M (around 25% increase in performance over the 765M) with a better panel.

    If Razer can keep this from going super nuclear (keep the crazy heat near the top edge) AND keep the fans relatively quiet like they did with the 2013 Blade 14 they will have knocked it out of the park. Waiting for 3/12 is going to be fun. :) Glad I waited for 860M to change out my behemoth for a thin and light. :)
     
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  24. sick19thang

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    does this mean that 860m performance will be identical to 770m?
     
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  25. hailgod

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    Talking about thin and light, Ever considered a gigabyte p34g?

    GIGABYTE - Notebook & Netbook - Notebook & Netbook - P series - P34G

    Judging from their chart, the 860m will be about 10% slower than the 770m. Still amazingly fast for a +-40w tdp card.
     
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  26. Cloudfire

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    Yes :)
    Maybe surpass it sometimes too, but overall I think they will be similar. GTX 860M will be much cooler though.
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 10, 2014
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  27. Oukami

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    850m seems to benefit the most from maxwell.
    anyone know what the TDP on it could be?
     
    Oukami, Mar 10, 2014
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    Really? You don't think people can game and be productive on the same laptop? Few people buy a laptop just for gaming.

    Beamed from my G2 Tricorder
     
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  29. hailgod

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    I am not too sure how u can even read from a 3k 15.6" laptop. It will be tiny. An external 27" 1440p monitor would be a way better choice.
     
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    My 11.6" 1080p notebook is about 200 ppi, about same as 3k on 15.6" and very usable.

    Beamed from my G2 Tricorder
     
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  31. Oukami

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    even for gaming a 3k screen wouldn't be too good since the gpu can't handle smooth rendering at that resolution. but you can still be productive with a laptop you use for gaming (you just need focus), thats why people rate the keyboards, and touch pad on the laptop. I mean if you're only gonna use a laptop for gaming might as well not even have a keyboard and touch pad, just more ports for external keyboards and mice and controllers and screens...
     
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    Then just game at a lower resolution. At that ppi it will still look good.

    Beamed from my G2 Tricorder
     
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    For 15.6" at least, 1080p is optimum. Then again, my 5.7" Note 3 is 1080p as well. :p
     
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  34. hailgod

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    You cant compare a notebook with a phone. People using phones generally have it much closer to their eyes than notebooks
     
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    it seems as though most laptop manufacturers have enough faith in the GTX860m that they would offer a 3k screen I personally can't justify increasing the price when you'll be playing at a 1080p anyway...
     
    Oukami, Mar 10, 2014
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    I have hypermetropia, so I keep my phone the same distance from my face as when I use a laptop. And even when I have my glasses on, I keep them the same distance (give or take a few inches) from my face.
     
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    as i saw in videocardz : the ASUS g750JM/J S/JZ may use optimus technology in order to use that battery boost thing nvidia added with the 800M series.. bad or good thing ? I think we can say good cause now optimus seems almost free from bugs :D
     
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    any idea how battery boost works? does it drop the clock speed on the cpu or something?
     
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    Optimus was almost free from bugs since the beginning, but I would prefer to get Nvidia battery boost instead optimus than in addition to.
     
    James D, Mar 10, 2014
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    the new Whql drivers from nvidia removes the limit of +135MHz oc of the GTX 750 and 750 Ti :D
     
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    Nice. Now do that for your laptop GPU's too.
     
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    Looking at the image, it actually is showing a Razer Blade(not pro) though.
    But then again, maybe you're right.

    But still, it is like running a GTX 680M on a thin Razer Blade Pro chassis.
    TDP will be like near 100W for the GPU alone.
    They didn't even put a GTX 770M last time, now a GTX 870M that is twice the amount of cores of the GTX 765M or 40% more cores than the GTX 770M, and a faster Memory than the GTX 770M.

    Excited to see more of this.
     
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    Hope it works for GTX 860M as well :)

     
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    Not sure what you're trying to point out with the bold, but it's clearly referring to the old 8000 series.
     
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    LOL. That's right, we've gone full circle in less than 7 years. Impressive.
     
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    Damn, I thought 800 series got some special PhysX sauce. lol my bad :p
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 10, 2014
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    Small update:

    Nothing will be released in March, apart from 790. Heck, there is no more room in there(700).

    Off Topic: U wont see Nvidia releasing 800 series at all. Nvidia has secretly released them as 8000 long time ago. I am grabbing 8800 gtx big boy. Wonder how much faster it is than 780 Ti.
     
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    What a nub. Don't you know that the 8800 gtx can't hold a candle to the 7800 gt agp? Real gamers have an ageia physx card.
     
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    8800 GTX was a beast for it`s time though!
     
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