New details about Nvidia`s Maxwell

i just hope that the screen on the blade is better... a 870m in a 14" notebook.... I want that thing badly!

 

Guys check these 2 comparisons:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 800M series to be revealed at CeBIT | VideoCardz.com
In Review: Nvidia GeForce GTX 780M, GTX 770M & GTX 765M - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
The upper link says 870 is 30%faster than 770 Marketing?
The lower link says 780 is 30% faster than 770 based on avg fps 30 games
Is it possible the 870 can reach 780 speeds in actual games? or is this just marketing and exaggeration?
Cloudfire posted 870 specs showing more or less 680m performance,what do you guys think?

 

i thought 870m spec is identical 680m spec with lower bandwidth (192bit vs 256bit)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M - NotebookCheck.net Tech
this claims the 860m is faster than 770m by "a little" whilst consuming aroung 55% power, which actually makes perfect sense since maxwell claims 50% power reduction

 

Which is exactly why I am looking at Sager/Clevo. If I walked into a customer site with a blingtastic laptop nobody would take me seriously. They don't need to know that my 17" laptop has gaming GPU(s) in it. I see the Clevo P series as the "sleeper" of laptops. It looks like a boring sedan but there is a Ferrari under that skin.

It helps that I own my own company and this will be written off as a business expense. It's not "free" but I basically get to buy the laptop with pre-tax earnings (or 25% off, however you want to look at it). :thumbsup:

 

Would love to see that comparison! Still don't remember?

 

Right you are. You can expect the 870m to be ~15% slower than 780m, and a bit worse at high IQ. OC'ed well past the red line, the 870m may just touch a stock 780m. Since we're dealing with the same old G104 I don't expect any OC miracles here though.

 

Well tomorrow is the official launch of 800M series. NDA ends then. Pretty sure Anandtech will do its usual piece . But who knows, maybe the chinese sites that are many hours ahead of us will start off a little earlier. I want to see a review with real FPS numbers against our GTX 760M/765M/770M.

No, sorry. Try the Dragon Army MSI forum (lol) and see if you can find anything there.

 

Remember it has a higher memory clock too though so it is just rop performance it lacks.

 

Maybe going to the US in a few months and feeling the need for a new laptop... Still no news on the 8** series being released? I guess maybe waiting until the end of the year is still the best option to see if we get a proper refresh.

 

No news?
There have already been posted lots of stuff in this thread

 

We are probably looking at June/July for the launch of the 20nm Maxwells.

 

Hey guys Check out these two links
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 800M Mobility Chips Launching At CeBIT '14 - GTX 880M, 870M, 860M and 850M To Power Notebooks
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 800M series to be revealed at CeBIT | VideoCardz.com

 

I think they might have gotten the TDP backwards on the 850M and 860M..

 

I agree but hey at least gives us an idea and it says that there suposed to be announced as early as tomarow and with razer having announcement tommarow it leads me to think that tommarow might be the big start for 800 series

 

While we wait for Anandtech and co to finally release a review, someone tested the MSI GE60 with GTX 860M.



GTX 860M comes as soldered. Tiny fan and tiny heat pipes. Yup.



GTX 860M 3DMark11 Performance


It beats GTX 760M by 50% and GTX 770M by 5%.

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Finally full 3DMark11 Extreme details


It beats GTX 760M by 50% and lose to GTX 770M by 4%

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3DMark Vantage


It beats GTX 760M by 55% and GTX 770M by 10%

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3DMark Cloud Gate


In Cloud Gate it beats GTX 760M by 84% and GTX 770M by 24%.

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Notebookcheck as source

3DMark Fire Strike

In Fire Strike it beats GTX 760M by 74% and GTX 770M by 18%

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Notebookcheck as source

I`m very impressed. Way faster than GTX 760M and it may actually be faster than even GTX 770M in a lot of games :thumbsup:


Nvidia have also uploaded die pictures to their webpage
http://www.nvidia.com/content/product-detail-pages/geforce-gtx-850m/geforce-gtx-850m-front.png
http://www.nvidia.com/content/product-detail-pages/geforce-gtx-860m/geforce-gtx-860m-front.png
http://www.nvidia.com/content/product-detail-pages/geforce-gtx-870m/geforce-gtx-870m-front.png
http://www.nvidia.com/content/product-detail-pages/geforce-gtx-880m/geforce-gtx-880m-front.png

 

Thats VERY promising, you could get performance in <1 inch notebooks where you needed a thick one in the past.
I cant remember such a boost in the last 5 years, def not on the same node

 

Better than the Fermi to Kepler jump for sure

Most likely possible to overclock it up to GTX 680M performance too.
Low end Maxwell, high end Kepler performance.

Sick.

 

I hope they put the gtx860M (or atleast GDDR5 gtx850M) into the dell XPS 15 or M3800.
Any words when the quadro cards are comin?

 

Doing well in synthetics is one thing, doing well with games is another. I can't help but feel like the 128 bit is going to seriously hold the 860M back.

 

Yup it will be most interesting to see a 860M gaming review. Hopefully we have it tomorrow.
That 128bit bus didnt hold GTX 750 Ti back when Anandtech overclocked it though. They still got a 15% increase in FPS despite having a 128bit bus.
AnandTech | The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti and GTX 750 Review: Maxwell Makes Its Move

Thanks to the L2 cache

 

Guys I noticed the GE60 apache pro's fan is too small compared to GT series, wouldn't that hurt cooling? especially since there is only one fan

 

Not really becuase rember GE60 has a maxwell 860m in it that requires less engery and does not heat up as easily as keplers did so a smaller fan maybe possible to efficently cool it while using less energy it self inproving battery life even more

 

Very interesting indeed. One thing is for sure, Maxwell has the chance of bringing seriously good performance without the usual drawbacks associated with mobile GPU's. I hope Nvidia doesn't spoon feed these cards out to us.

 

I hope the GE60 with 860M has no major cooling/noise/throttling problems - I want one.

 

i'm not actually worried about gpu heat in maxwell but rather the single pipe cpu heatsink especially on the hot running haswell doesn't look good to me at all

 

Yeah, I wasn't too pleased to see such a small fan for a processor that can get so hot.

 

Don't msi use 4702? thats not bad. tdp of 37w.
oh nvm, its a 4700hq. Maybe they should start using 4702s instead.

 

4702 won't make a lick of difference, those things get just as hot. I really think Intel lowballs the TDP on their CPU's.

 

I think this is what Battery Boost does. It determines a playable FPS, locks the FPS at that limit and throttle the GPU down whenever it tries to go over. That way it will consume less power when gaming on battery.

 

Highest valid 3DMark 11 result for OCed GTX 750 Ti is P7278 with a 6743 graphics score.

Can't wait to see how well the GTX 860M can do.
Especially those on a thin and lightweight laptop.

 

Seems like Acer is going to put out refresh on the V3-772G with the GTX 850M which should be slightly faster and cooler running than the GTX 760M they have had on the V3-772G in 2013 models, there might even be a chance latter V3-772G 2014 models get a GTX 860M since the total TDP of the laptop would only be equal (5-10w less) to that of the 2013 models with the GTX 760M.

 

The problem is the low surface area and arrangement of the cores, that's why I wasn't holding my breath for Maxwell temps on the low tdp gpu's until I saw something concrete. Intel's lower tdp CPUs still get hot.

 

I hope it gonna work fine. Last time i used fps cap on nvidia gpu (330m) through nvidia inspector, I felt real slugginess or performance decreade. Don't know why.

As for fan. GE always had 1fan and always had 1 cpu pipe so i don' t get why would it change smth now. However what really bothers me is that those pipes being on the top of the radiator.
Shouldn't it be in th center for better thermodynamic?

 

James, the single fan is fine but it is way smaller compared to the GT series, has the fan been always this small?

 

Why do u have a ge 70 with a 3920xm but a crappy 650m?

 

Because I do not have money to buy GT series while CPU is ES
BTW this crappy 650M gives me over 3060 points in 3DMark11 so it is crappy only for Crysis 3 and some newest games.

As for temperature and Maxwell 20nm. We all remember how badly in terms of temperature were Ivy Bridge and Haswell against SandyBridge. And one of those reasons were bigger dencity on the die and smaller surface of CPU which has contact with radiator. I bet Nvidia did all those watt/performance optimisations so newest 20nm GPUs would not be hotter than top Kepler GPUs.

 

This looks like a really cool feature for Nvidia users. You can pick your desired quality both when plugged in and when on battery, and it will control the GPU accordingly

 

Cloudfire, you have seen the GE60 apache PRO's review by gentech, it seems to run at 95C when under pressure which is too high , I thought maxwell would be a lot cooler and smoother, is it the GE's fault for having a small fan? if you were going to buy an 860 would you choose the GE60 apache pro, please share your opinion..

 

GE series has always run a bit warm. Spend the extra $150 and get the GT60.... 870m, 4800mq, new keyboard software and a much cooler running system. Well worth $150.

 

Yeah GE series have never been very good. GT or GS is the way to go.
You can see how tiny fan they use and the small heatpipes in a picture I posted in one of the previous pages

 

Fears confirmed - GE60 runs too hot. Goddang it.

 

Brother, you should have no problem finding a suitable notebook with GTX 860M. There will be maaany of them.

Gigabyte just announced their notebook with GTX 860M. Maybe this one interest you?
GIGABYTE - Notebook & Netbook - Notebook & Netbook - P series - P34G v2

There is also a Asus G750JH with GTX 860M coming out.

 

The MSI GS is using the 860m Kepler version, according to this german website:




Whats the performance difference between the 860 Kepler and the Maxwell one?

The Maxwell one has 540Mhz stock and up to 1020Mhz boost, 2GB Vram and scores around ~5200 points in 3Dmark.
The Kepler one has 797Mhz stock , boost dont know, also 2GB Vram.

Also:
Keppler = MXM
Maxwell = Onboard?
So the 860 in the GS is in a MXM slot and upgradeable?

 

Thanks, but no. I'm looking for 15.6" 1080p, 860M, 5-6lb, and good temps, good battery life (and hopefully can be ordered from XoticPC/GenTech/PowerNotebooks/some other custom retailer).

 

@John Bello:
Very hard to say.
My 5 cents:

The Kepler GTX 860M have 192 cores less than GTX 680M, but at the same time it is clocked higher.
A quick calculation say it should be 5-10% faster than GTX 680M.
IF you look at the core * clocks alone.
BUT it have a sucky 128bit bus and 50% less ROPs than GTX 680M so all in all, I think it may be around GTX 860M Maxwell level in performance.
But with 2x higher TDP as the GTX 860M Maxwell version.

And Maxwell can most likely overclock like a beast while GTX 870M only have a little more juice left for OC.
I have no idea why that Kepler GTX 860M even exists

 

Oh and to clarify, I mean a Maxwell 860M in my above post.

 

This, seems like it is only going to confuse people when looking at laptops with the 860m, and as we know will be significantly less efficient.... what are we missing? Is it a cost thing?

 

Could be, but even then, makes no sense, its still 28nm.

 

G750JM 10 ch

 

Oo According to this Source the 860m Maxwell is clocked very high:
Nvidia kündigt (Yes, the 4GB Vram on the 880m are wrong.)

1029Mhz + Boost.