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    New details about Nvidia`s Maxwell

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. Amal77

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    "Razer Blade will have a new 14” Blade with GTX 870M and a 17” Blade Pro with GTX 860M – and no, that’s not a typo, though perhaps we’ll see more than one model of Blade Pro as it seems odd for the smaller laptop to support a faster GPU."

    Oh my goodness.. :eek:
     
    Amal77, Mar 12, 2014
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    You are talking about Kepler version of 860M, do you know that?
     
    James D, Mar 12, 2014
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    Agree with you here octiceps, I'm waiting for benchmarks for all the cards as well.
     
    ThePerfectStorm, Mar 12, 2014
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    Check the w203ss review. Fantastic results!
     
    ChowMeow, Mar 12, 2014
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    Watch GenTech's reviews for the GT60 Dominator/Dominator Pro, GT70 Dominator/Dominator Pro and GE60 Apache Pro/GE70 Apache Pro. Those give benchmarks of the 880M, 870M and 860M (which is also covered in the w230ss review).
     
    ThePerfectStorm, Mar 12, 2014
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    This has to be wrong, too far off from everything I've seen (Including the GenTech reviews, which show 192-bit) to be true.
     
    ThePerfectStorm, Mar 12, 2014
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    Good to see that the announced specs / testing are almost dead on with the leaked info Cloudfire has been posting. The Maxwell chips are really shinning bright on a 28nm process. Wonder what the 20nm releases will bring?
     
    Any_Key, Mar 12, 2014
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    Heaven itself will descend unto our mortal machines and grace them with divine power unlike anything seen before.
     
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    880m is showing 128-bit as well. lol
     
    BlackSabs, Mar 12, 2014
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    Are you just looking at the length of the bars? :p
     
    wrext0r, Mar 12, 2014
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    Hm, man...I really gotta be...

    870 says it runs at an average just above 30 fps for Assassins Creed Black Flag and looking at the performance chart for 860M is looks like its close to 45 fps?

    ...please un-retard me! :cool:
     
    anmihe, Mar 12, 2014
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    If you are only looking at 1 game. Thats even more retarded. Thats the only game maxwell outperforms kepler.
     
    hailgod, Mar 12, 2014
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    Aaaaaaahaaa....

    ....different max fps on the scale!

    lol lol ...and I was all like copy 'n pasting screenshots, overlapping and drawing lines and s**t before I noticed!

    Prolly should try to catch some sleep! :D
     
    anmihe, Mar 12, 2014
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    Waiting for a Razer Blade refresh with Broadwell and an 870mx...
     
    R3d, Mar 12, 2014
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    What would actually make me drool would be the Aorus refresh... Although I'm curious to see the new Blade 14 reviews, to see if it double as a BBQ grill
     
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    I'm praying that's a region variance and the US models will have Maxwells...
     
    adrian5683, Mar 12, 2014
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    Cloudfire, it seems that the 870 scored 7280 at 3d mark 11 graphics that is 20% more than the GTX 680's 5789 graphics score, does that mean the 870 could be a full 20% better in performance or is 3d mark not conclusive and other benchmarks like extreme editions have to be looked at? and do you still stand by the statement of GTX 870 5-10% Above GTX 680, let us know your opinion
    thanks mate
     
    gust0007750, Mar 12, 2014
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  26. octiceps

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    Not a surprising result as the 3DMark 11 Performance preset is more of a shader bound rather than ROP/memory bandwidth bound test so the GTX 870M's higher core clock speed allows it to pull further ahead of the 680M. I'll bet the gap is smaller in the Extreme preset as the gimped back-end on the 870M drags its score closer to that of the 680M.
     
    octiceps, Mar 12, 2014
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    I was going to 'like' your post, but then I did some calculations, the 870M bandwidth doesn't suffer for the smaller bus, because the memory speed offsets that so the bandwidth looks like its going to be greater for the 870M anyway:

    680M: 256bit x 3600Mhz = 921600
    870M: 192bit x 5000Mhz = 960000

    I'm not saying there are any units to the above calculations but it looks like the 870M is going to have a greater bandwidth by about 4%. But you're definitely right in terms of the ROPS, less ROPS for the 870M. All in all makes me think the 870M isn't really going to be hindered by memory bandwidth in games anymore than the 680M, and therefore I think a comparison of 3DMark11 is a valid comparison of the 2 cards, indicative of gaming performance. It might not be the full 20% that gust0007750 asked about, as the somewhat higher shader performance might bring to light the memory bandwidth limitations of both of the cards, but I think it could be close to 20% depending on how memory bandwidth hungry a game is.

    (As you say, I think the gap is likely to be smaller on the benchmarks that tax the memory bandwidth to a greater extent - like maybe the Extreme versions of 3DMark do).

    EDIT: decided to 'like' your post in the end (yep, I know you don't/shouldn't really care!), because I think you're right in the main about it, I just put some figures on it to put the memory bandwidth of the 2 cards into perspective. (I think I'd rather have a 680M with an unlocked vBIOS vs an 870M).
     
    Robbo99999, Mar 12, 2014
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    No you're right, stock 870M is 120 GB/s compared to 115.2 GB/s on 680M. So yes I agree 870M will definitely be a bit better than 680M when both are at stock. And yes if you're gonna OC to the gills 680M probably has more potential although the difference between them is really quite small.
     
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    Memory bandwidth might be similar even with a 192bit bus, but the 870m has less ROPs than the 680m too.
     
    R3d, Mar 12, 2014
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    Guys do you think the G-sync, V-sync of the 870 can cause significant improvements over 680? and I am really torn between the incredibly discounted 680 and the 870 with the 4800 which I will not benefit fromif any of you guys has facebook and is willing to help me choose please pm me your facebook email thanks...it will mean alot coming from a guy with an inspiron 1300 that stutters in texashold'em :D
     
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    I would never give you any facebook email or any other private information. Period.
     
    James D, Mar 12, 2014
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    Yes I understand your point but it seems my options are limited since my research ability is close to 0 because of my terrible processor, firefox itself lags,its difficult to find comparisons and open multiple tabs which leads to an overall loss of time and further frustration... the question stands will I be able to find an 860 with better cooling than the apache's? or do I just go with the gt series for an 870 with an unnecessary processor or the 680 with a brom and a heavy discount
     
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    These questions are better asked in the "what laptop I should buy" forum. Turning this thread into a laptop recommendation thread is not helpful.
     
    hfm, Mar 12, 2014
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    GTX 870m 128 bit or 192 bit? GTX 880m just an O/C GTX 780m. The "good" GTX 860m going to soldered on boards... And lastly, the 370SM3 is blinged out (tail lights on the back side for crying out loud!)

    I think I am going to wait for the dust to settle on this stuff. I got $4k in the bank waiting to be spent. It can wait some more.
     
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    Forget the Apache. Xoticpc as well as others allow you to downgrade from the 4800 to the 4700 bringing the GT60 or GT70 to $1290. With all do respect gust no one wants to do the research for you. You have no problem reading this site it seems. Use NBR and narrow it down to a final 2 or 3 machines and go to a friends or the library. Good luck!
     
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    870m is 192bit. What is the 170sm3?
     
    BlackSabs, Mar 12, 2014
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    Well said. I have been re-educating myself over the past 3 weeks or so. Then the refresh hit and now I am stupid again. I only do this every 3-4 years so I usually have a lot to catch up on when it's time to buy a new laptop. It just takes time to figure out what I want and then I sit on it a while and I find that what I thought I wanted isn't it. After I buy I don't look back. You guys won't be seeing me again for 3-4 years. Ha!
     
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    You're bound to miss us! I agree, this stuff is much easier to keep up with when you stay in the general loop... I skipped from 2003-2007 and man was that a struggle catching back up.

    I gotta say, I'm quite impressed with Maxwell from what I've read, but sheesh, that Razer 14" took me by storm ha
     
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    The problem is with me. If I try to keep up I will never make it 3 years before I am buying a new laptop. When I bought my M4500 I got it just like I wanted except the 2GB of RAM. I found I could buy an 8GB upgrade kit from Crucial a lot cheaper than I could get it from Dell at time of purchase. Then later I found a mSATA SSD that has worked out really well. Originally it just had the HDD. If I could upgrade the RAM to 16GB I could stretch this thing further. :thumbsup:
     
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    honestly i've had so much fun learning from you guys, and researching stuff that i like is just fun! I think if i ever decide between the GS60, the p34g, and the razer blade, i would gladly stick around.
     
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    I'm more concerned about text readability on a 14" 3200x1800 screen.
     
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    Check out MSI homepage, MSI GS70 2PE apache pro has 870m, not 860m!!!
     
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    Found a link to this NVidia Web Page, describing the specs of the 880M, on laptopvideo2go.

    GeForce GTX 880M | Specifications | GeForce

    Interestingly, and I'm sure wrongly NVidia says it has a 128bit memory bus only & a pitiful bandwidth - I think they've had some major typo/brain freeze problems when they created that page - that info has to be wrong surely!
     
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    Yeah, those pages are a mess.
     
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    Yes, according to those pages the memory bus configuration and bandwidth are the same at 64GB/s from the 850M all the way up through to the 880M! I don't know how they can make those errors, they're the ones supplying the GPU's themselves! I wonder how long it will take them to correct it!
     
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    Is the 870m secretly a Maxwell? I mean how can they all of a sudden include a 100W TDP GPU in a thin form factor? Something odd is going on. They must have managed a way to get TDP really low. 870m in both the Blade and the GS70. I think the 870m may actually be a Maxwell... /giggidy/

    If this is the case, I may consider the MSI (except I completely LOATHE the logo on the lid). I really want a decently powerful 17" that doesn't weigh a ton. This MSI looks quite promising. Curious to see 870m performance, power, heat numbers.

    In any case I'm still holding out for a few more months for 20nm Maxwell 870m in a thin and light. Perhaps MSI will update accordingly, or Aorus will throw us a surprise too.
     
    HTWingNut, Mar 13, 2014
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