No more overclocking on Nvidia mobile GPUs

Here's a comment for our petition and campaign on the most active thread on reddit on this topic.

Please upvote this so it won't be burried under other comments!
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/c...abled_overclocking_on_gtx_900m_series/cojpl3v

 

That Reddit thread is painful to read.



Look guys, I know this looks really bad, but as long as AMD doesn't do anything similar for their next mobile GPU generation, we should be fine. They'll milk some extra performance out of Tonga I'm sure (though some sort of moderately efficient Fiji would be nice), and the sales reports will smack Nvidia so hard they'll come back to their senses.

 

Id gladly switch camp to AMD, and I had some hopes for M295X back in August last year when people discussed it might be a improved architecture.
But Im not buying a inefficient hot GPU just to give a message to Nvidia.

I wish AMD had something to compete with Nvidias Maxwell. And Nvidia knows this, hence why they can do moves like this.
I hope the petition, the pressure on the geforce forums makes them change opinion.

I wonder what Clevo/MSI/Asus/Alienware feel about this sudden move. Are they behind Nvidia on this or feel its a hostile drastic move that might impact their future sales?

I feel notebooks are moving further and further behind desktops. OEMs seem to concentrate on building slimmer and thin notebooks to acommodate for the Hipster Joe while neglecting us that want a power house regardless size.
Then we have soldered CPUs becoming mainstream and soon the only option for notebooks.
Soldered GPUs are also becoming a big trend. MXM seems to lose ground.
On top of this, we now have Nvidia disabling overclocking on GPUs.

I fear the future for gaming notebooks

 

Hopefully they will get some sort of Fiji variant out on mobile. I wonder how an R9 M295X2 Crossfire configuration would fare against a GTX 970M SLI configuration...

 

Go here and comment on the 347.52 driver... (third item on their facebook page)
https://www.facebook.com/NVIDIAGeForce/timeline

Don't forget to ask when they will lock down desktop OCs

 

Let's ream a new posterior orifice for the Jolly Green Giant. Their treachery and lies need to stop. Buying defective low-performance garbage from AMD is not an attractive option.

Be sure to rant in the place the green goblins are trolling... https://forums.geforce.com/default/...king-with-347-09-347-25/post/4459929/#4459929

 

http://securities.stanford.edu/filings-documents/1040/NVDA_01/2010122_r01c_0804260.pdf
The second consolidated amended complaint from bumpgate... start on page 4 with background... enlightening that HP (and Dell) was the one to really apply pressure on NVIDIA over it.

 

If you guys wish to show your support and tell others why this needs to be fixed, take a look at these threads. Upvote and try to politley inform. Also recomend to add these links to OP
http://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/2vm8en/nvidia_says_gpu_ocing_is_bug_not_feature_on/
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2vm9l2/nvidia_says_gpu_ocing_is_bug_not_feature_on/

 

I wonder if this change could fall under "bait and switch" laws. We were sold mobile GPUs that could overclock at a high price point, and then they changed the product.

 

The amount of ignorance displayed in the comments on these threads is absolutely infuriating.

 

I absolutely LOATHE desktop users that rag on laptop users that overclock. As long as you keep heat and voltage in check, higher clocks will not kill ANYTHING. I have a 1998 IBM Thinkpad 600E with a modded pentium II STILL WORKING AT 500MHZ instead of 366. I have a pin modded IBM T30 pentium 4-m that runs hot as hell and still managed a slight overclock that hasn't harmed it in the least. My MSI GX720 has a ES Core 2 Extreme that had a stock speed of 2.26 ghz and CONSTANTLY RUNS AT 3.3GHZ. It also had a nvidia 9600M GT that I flashed to 9700M GT clock speeds, and it still works just fine, not to mention my 3920XM that runs at 4.5ghz all day no problem a dual 7970Ms that run 950/1300 no problem. Key is not overdoing voltage or letting thermals get out of hand.

 

Ive been using Gaming laptops for well over 10 years now but no more. I gave up and switched to a Mini Itx but I see yet another nail in the coffin. First it was BGA and now this, I wonder what will be next. I never thought I would give up on gaming laptops but it has become ridiculious.

 

even my GS70 super mega ultra thin gaming laptop has headroom to overclock. Heck, im on older drivers right now overclocked and i haven broke 85C yet! No excuses nvidia!

 

I signed the petition.

I bought a gaming laptop (MSI GT72) with Nvidia's top end GTX 980M for future-proofing myself. I figured the power of the 980M should do me for the forseeable future and a long time to come. But it was also nice to see that the 980M could be overclocked some to further boost the longevity. Mind you the 970M still would have probably been overkill for my gaming needs but I figured what the heck! I'll go with the 980M for a longer time AND be able to overclock it to make it last longer.

Looks like maybe I should have just waited awhile longer for AMD maybe. I have a laptop with an AMD 8970M 4GB that still does the job, Nvidia just nerfed like all their mobile gpu's in my opinion. I took to the new Maxwell cards because they were also supposed to be cooler running. I know I can OC my 980M +135C/+150Mem ( times whatever multiplier the memory would be that would be and using MSI afterburner) and got improvements. I'll be sticking with 344.75 until nvidia either gets their heads out of their asses or I get a new laptop, which may be sooner than I thought and WON'T be powered by Nvidia, I'll either sink money into upgrading my desktop and a low end laptop, or go AMD. Portability, isn't AS important for me anymore, though it is a VERY nice thing to walk around with a laptop that can equal and even potentially outbeat my desktop in most of my gaming. But NOT worth having locked down.

 

WTF!! I have a GT72 this thing is MADE FOR OVERCLOCKING!!!

 

AMEN brother!!

 

Please inform about our petition and twitter campaign in your OP. There's no point arguing with that crowd, they are obviously exclusively desktop users, we need laptop users to see our actions.

 

First they came for the titan OC, and we said nothing. Then they came for the mobile cards OC, and we said nothing. But when they came for the desktop performance OC...

 

Ladies and gentlemen, please focus your efforts on posting to laptop-centered forums and subreddits, people at /r/Alienware are much more likely to help us than people at standard /r/gaming and other general PC owner places, where most are desktop exclusive users who will only display the ignorance like we saw in the /r/nvidia subreddit thread and downvote us into oblivion!

And please don't forget to include petition and twitter campaign information!

 

i don't get why they only focused on mobile GPUs when said effects happen on both mobile and desktop so this really is no excuse to lock it!

 

You know sometimes I wonder whether the ignorant desktop users are the ones rocking their sub $1000 budget build and pretend it's some hot **** and get all defensive when people point out the compromises they had to make.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're simply embarrassed their underpowered setup will get ripped a new one by a power laptop.

 

Because they think we will believe their lies and believe they will get away with pretending they have our best interests at heart. There is an underlying agenda driving this that has nothing to do with the excuse posted by ManuelG. When it is exposed, heads are going to roll. Hopefully, they'll realize what a terrible mistake they have made and reverse their position on this very soon. They can play it up as a "we love you and listened" or whatever they need to in order to avoid admitting their blunder, but they need to do it quickly.

 

Could be... the desktop gamer-boys are a touchy, sensitive lot that thrive in a realm dominated by the ignorant.

The wannabe laptop gamers with low budget systems that do not overclock well, perform poorly, and have thermal management issues also do not help our cause much. Unfortunately, they give ammunition to the imbeciles that make stupid comments about overclocking laptops.

 

it will be even more of a blunder if they do it for the 700M cards....then it'll be nvidiagate!

someone start the hashtag #nvidiagate

 

Unfortunately this is a two way street...

As for why nVidia decided to do this, apart from them wanting to play God, the 2 most likely theories I have are

1) To cover up some hidden technical defect in the mobile Maxwells that would get blown wide open when someone starts overclocking
2) Maxwell overclocks just a bit too well for their liking (these are basically the 2500K of the GPUs), and they're concerned it will cut into their margins in the future because people could simply apply a 25% overclock and skip an entire generation

Honestly I think both are equally likely given nVidia's recent actions. Plus given how this follows right on the heels of the desktop 970 disaster, it really makes you wonder... (ok I'll put my tinfoil hat away )

 

The funny thing is that I bet some of them have one or two crappy little fans that came with their cases and reference cards that run a lot warmer at load than these 900M mobile GPUs and yet they confidently post nonsensical posts and go as far as insulting laptop overclockers. If you don't support the cause, shut up and move on instead of spouting ******** about how laptops cannot overclock because, and I quote one of them, "It's a matter of physics, not hardware". What the hell is wrong with Reddit?

 

Both are very likely, especially no 2. I see no other reason why the 960M is still not out. They will just overclock the 860M and voila! "New" card.

 

I would say no.1 is equally as likely based on what we've seen of Maxwell's issues so far and the precedent set by Bumpgate 1.0...

 

It's Reddit, what the hell is wrong with you? j/k

And yeah the people who do a budget build and then try their damned hardest to justify why it's "such good value" and how everything else is "overkill" or "a waste of money" piss me off soooooo much. If only because they tend to be loud, obnoxious, and very ignorant, you know basically the vocal minority that gives the silent majority a very bad rep.

 

Petition signed. Hopefully it will have positive outcome.

 

What issues are they?

 

Wow and wow!
Well I was a great Nvidia customer, about 20 classified and lightning 680's, 4 titans, a laptop with 680m, upgrade to 780m and a laptop with 650m and now a 970m oh and there was a 660m somewhere in there as well ... all in the past 2 years.

I was going to upgrade to 980m sli and get 2 of the new GM200. Now the only questions are.
1. Is this going to affect Kepler mobile cards as well (I have not tried new drivers).
2. When is AMD 3xx series launching cause I need some new desktop and mobile gpu's .
3. Hmm any one want to trade a 2 day old new 15 with 970m for a 15 with AMD gpu?

 

I'm going to further advance theory no.1 (cover up defect) here.

(apologies to Meaker in advance for quoting this out of context, but something clicked just now)

That's what a 980M looks like. Notice how along the top of the short edge, some small black squares appear to be missing? Those are the voltage regulation modules (VRMs) that supply power to the GPU core, and it appears half of them have been removed (as a cost cutting measure most likely, and possibly to limit overclocking).

If you pull up pictures nVidia's past mobile GPUs, you'll see that none of 285M, 480M/485M, 580M, 680M, 780M, or 880M seem to have this VRM "gimping" issue. Curiouser and curiouser...

So to make theory no.1 complete, I'm going to make this very bold and completely speculative statement:

Possibly because of leaving out half of the VRM phases, nVidia never intended the 980M to be overclocked, or at least, not very heavily. So when power users push their cards as hard as possible, especially with a volt mod, the VRMs simply can't take it, and there's a real and much increased risk of blowing them up.

Again, this is 100% speculation on my part, and I could also be talking out of my ass so take it with a grain of salt.

 

There seem to be a ton. A very immature product out of the gate with a lot of lingering issues still. @n=1 and @Mr. Fox can fill you in better on both sides of the story, desktop and mobile.

 

petition signed too
I wish for good results!!

 

We could use some upvotes at https://www.reddit.com/r/SuggestALa...tfnvidia_laptop_owners_unite_nvidia_disabled/

This is the most visited laptop-centered subreddit on reddit. Help if you can, please.

 

That still doesn't excuse removing all OC capability and ..if true, then Nvidia has committed consumer fraud for not coming out and saying this back in October. I made my purchase decision based on being able to OC the GPU +135. Nvidia had a responsibility to disclose this at launch if that was their intent with the 900 mobile series.

 

Dude, I purchased what I thought was a 256 bit 4GB desktop 970 only to be sold a 3.5+0.5GB 224+32 bit card so trust me I understand your frustration.

 

Story picked up here too

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvidi...ose-overclocking-ability-with-newest-drivers/

 

Not that I'm not with you on the whole thing in general, but desktop GPUs are relatively cheap compared to laptops and/or laptop GPUs that are for upgrading. This was a 4-5yr purchase for me. While I can upgrade, why would I bother spending $1k on a second clock-blocked GPU?

THAT SHOULD BE THE NAME FOR THIS ISSUE:

#clockblockedgate

 

Let's stick with #WTFnvidia. No point fragmenting before it's even gotten off the ground.

 

I agree, plus the GPU contains enough gates already, and we all know how octiceps feels about gates

 

Do we really need more cliché "insert name here gate" title's?
It's loosing it's effect to the point of animosity.

 

The main reason for choosing #WTFnvidia was to have a hashtag that is "nvidia+negative word", maximizing negative PR. That way it alarms shareholders and their social media secretaries much more than some *gate, which leaves room for ambiguity.

EDIT: It's quite regrettable less than 1% of those who signed the petition tweeted the hashtag, we could be approaching trending status by now since we've had so many signatures in such a short time frame. Once this reaches critical mass there will be a snowballing effect that will have a positive feedback loop with the petition.

 

Hey! My Microcenter review of the MSI GT72 is up.

 

Indeed. Think guys. Qui bono?

Sent from my GT-I9300

 

There could be something in that! 880M/870M/780M/770M/680M/675MX/670MX all had 4 VRM blocks along the top side of the card, the 980M looks to only have 3. Although I don't think a +135Mhz overclock is going to be a problem, and I'm not a fan of them removing the ability to overclock even if the VRM's might have been neutered.

 

signed it this morning. Hope we can get this all turned around

 

Does anyone have a reputable account down at the ASUS ROG forum? It looks like the wonderful news haven't reached them yet. I'm sure we can get some support from there.

 

I tried to start a post in the overclocking section here:

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?57764-Nvidia-blocks-overclocking-on-Maxwell-GPU-Notebooks

But being a newbie on forums doesn't help a lot :/

Edit: There's also one in the recent notebooks sections:

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...Asus-please-don-t-let-us-be-fooled-by-Nvidia)