No more overclocking on Nvidia mobile GPUs

Sure, in sig

 

very nice machine there, had exactly the same config up until last fall

 

Would you kindly include information about the petition and campaign we're doing? Just copy the first post in this thread. And give a link to this thread as well.

 

I'm just very distressed about the level of ignorance and misinformation out there about gaming laptops. It's an antiquated assumption that laptops can't game. And the fact that people are acting like your laptop will blow up if you game on it is quite disconcerting.

 

Hey, can someone tell me if this change only affects 900 series GPU's and future ones?

I have a friend with an Alienware with GTX680M and an Asus ROG 750 with GTX880M and he can overclock his laptops with the latest drivers from february with MSI Afterburner

 

Only affects 900M and Maxwell 800M cards (for now).

 

LOL looks like the #nvidiagate hashtag has already been started the #wtfnvidia will do so will leave it at that

so i guess there's no point in getting MXM possibly other than for repairs.

 

also funny to see that WTFNvidia has already been used for years

edit: petition reached 200 signatures, nice keep it up, people!

compare that to the petition regarding nextgen GPU compatibility in Clevo HM machines, where just 183 signatures were enough to move Clevo / Sager to publish a modified system Bios to support 7970M / 680M GPUs

https://www.change.org/p/clevo-co-add-bios-support-for-newer-gpu-cards-in-hm-model-series#

 

What's more distressing to me is the fanaticism they display despite all the evidence we are presenting them. Like our beloved @D2 Ultima literally posts a pic of his hyperoverclocked GPU cruising at 75C and they just pretend they didn't see that and tell us about how our battery will blow up.

And they completely disregard the fact that overclocking was available for the last ~14 years and on much more heat-emitting GPUs than Maxwell.

 

It seems to me that laptopvideo2go has a huge opportunity to increase their throughput? They have supplied modified installer files for years to allow the driver install on 'unapproved' hardware?

They have a nice dig at NV's lawyers as well> no, it's been redacted! A very clever lawyer is controlling this on behalf of someone, I think we know who...

 

Well, it appears that NV's Verde Notebook Programme never happened. If anyone asked for an 'm' driver before, the top page stated that NV recommend you stay with your OEM's published one. Basically 'it's all on you! (customer)'

It was not wordy or swamped with legalese. Very straightforward warning. Seems we are now incapable of even reading a disclaimer...

 

I have a feeling that classic inf modding of desktop drivers will not be enough to circumvent the overclocking blocking of mobile Maxwell - which is relevant to your mention of laptopvideo2go. I think I remember seeing that Mr Fox tried modding a desktop driver of an overclocking blocked driver version, and it still wouldn't allow for overclocking of mobile Maxwell. I think inf modding of desktop drivers is not gonna circumvent the problem unfortunately.

 

We just need to know which OEM prompted this, because I'm pretty much certain at this point that Nvidia is not stupid enough to pull something like this.
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BUT, if they even so much as touch desktop OCing I swear to god...

 

...or switching out to whatever AMD brings to the table.

 

For sure it's not as easy as an inf mod any more, the core code is going to have to be hacked, but there are a lot of very clever guys out there that could be asked to help?

 

The problem with that is that, unlike their desktop variants, they never actually advertised the 900M series as overclockable.

Now if this is true then they literally were going to do this all along and they just waited for their sales to spike and then go down before implementing it. So even if they were forced by an OEM to do it, they didn't warn us.

 

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Yup, Look no further than NV's biggest customer of 'm' chips, and their latest eco-hybrid offerings. Dell/Alienware

 

Kinda funny, I, and many AW owners get a lot of 'hate' around the web. Now the haters have a factual reason, you go AW haters!

 

What makes this worse is that I feel guilty now because I've been very active in the "What Notebook Should I Buy?" subforum, and I've been recommending notebooks with Nvidia cards ever since I joined the forum.

EDIT: Has anyone started a thread about this over at Tom's Hardware?

 

Yeah, maybe, I hope so, but more to the point I hope NVidia do a 180 on their decision and re-enable overclocking on Maxwell - that's the real solution!

https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-re-enable-overclocking-on-geforce-equipped-notebooks

 

I'm going to have a look. I used his stuff back when it was a BBS, ah simpler days, he even showed you where to cut the PCB to unlock CPU's.

 

Yeah we need people to begin modding drivers to fix this crap.. It should be literally a line or 2 of code at most but which line is the problem.. BTW, it seems Newegg the company which was refusing to accept RMAs for the fruadulent 970s has been forced to do so! We must keep the pressure up and make these Green trolls yield!
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...d-zero-restocking-fee-for-all-970-customers-/

 

Slightly off topic, but RMAs for the 970s aren't good enough. Nvidia needs to stop advertising it as a 4GB card.

 

The hole they are digging is getting deeper and deeper. They can't shore it up for ever. The only result of any change of this policy is a collapse.

As for legal liability, there is something called, Standard accepted practices. Just because a manufacture does not actively support overclocking, it has been available for years and IS a selling point.

 

+1 for someone to learn what part of the code needs to be changed.
I've already ini modded and tried the latest desktop drivers and it's not enough.

 

Best Quote Ever is above.

 

It might be AW because of them pushing their stupid graphics amplifier!

 

It won't be I'm afraid. The driver code is examining the core, mobile maxwell? Sorry you don't get to OC.

 

Number 2 is in April/May time frame

 

MickyD, have you cancelled your 980M sli order? I notice it's not in your sig anymore?

EDIT: I must be blind (or highly unlikely you changed it just now!) - I can see you are still ordering your 980M sli!

 

So... how do those new drivers react to BIOS with adjusted frequencies?

 

Well I finally found the disclaimer that was used in the past:

As part of the NVIDIA Verde Notebook Driver Program, this is a reference driver that can be installed on supported NVIDIA notebook GPUs. However, please note that your notebook original equipment manufacturer (OEM) provides certified drivers for your specific notebook on their website. NVIDIA recommends that you check with your notebook OEM about recommended software updates for your notebook. OEMs may not provide technical support for issues that arise from the use of this driver.

Before downloading this driver:

1. Please check to make sure that your notebook has a supported GPU (refer to the Products Supported tab below).
2. It is recommended that you backup your current system configuration. Click here for instructions.
3. If you own a Dell Inspiron 1420, Dell XPS M1330, Dell XPS M1530, or Dell Latitude D630/D630c it is highly recommended that you first install this Dell software update.

http://www.geforce.co.uk/drivers/results/29731

 

Nah, I do have a friend quizzing them for me, I don't want my machine 'spat-on' for being a dick, haha. So far they have been non-committal and almost surprised, sort of. They may well have been got-at. They just say to use the older working driver...

 

Older working drivers are a cop out though, you need the latest NVidia drivers for compatibility with the new games, plus the extra performance increases that sometimes come with new drivers. No way I'd buy a system with the expectation of sticking with old drivers.

 

I have started commenting on the articles. Keep it up. Totally disgusted with Nvidia. They will reap what they have sown!

 

A Quote from Kevin@Gentech after I mentioned the Overclock story in the MSI GT72 forum.

If this is the case Nvidia will be losing so many customers it won't be funny. I WILL go to AMD if this crap keeps up. Like I said before my 8970M was good enough for my gaming, sure is was a slightly overclocked, re-branded 7970M but it worked. I went with the 8970M as it was close enough to the Nvidia 780M for me and was a good bit cheaper. Nvidia is getting to big for their pants. AMD does have a great moment to release something wonderful right now. It would drop a bombshell on Nvidia if AMD came out with their new mobile cards and they performed equal to Nvidia's latest offerings at a lower price point, plus AMD could say "hey you CAN overclock to your hearts content, just watch those temps!" Know what I mean? Wishful thinking but hey if it did happen it may wake Nvidia up out of their slumber.

 

Would be lovely if AMD did that. It is wishful thinking though...

 

Qui bono? Who benefits from this?

Sent from my GT-I9300

 

If I may, I have some statements and suggestions:
1) Whomever is trying to blame Dell/Alienware, DON'T "ALIENATE" THEIR CONSUMERS!!! They are in the same boat we are. Many like it OC'd for them. That is their choice!
2) We are a smaller portion of consumers than you think. NVIDIA's main money on m series gpu's is from mid to low level m series, not the high end. More laptops contain them. The high end gives better margins but many fewer sales. Most low to mid-level m series users do not overclock. Primarily the high end do. Further, not all high end m series purchasers OC. So that puts it in perspective, we are a small subsect of a subsect of the mobile sales of nvidia.
3) We need to unify all users that may OC their products. So make friends with our Alienware brothers, they know not what their company does. This means reaching out to ASUS users, MSI users, CLEVO users, Alienware users, Dell users (think business and design class users), Lenovo users (to a degree), HP business class users, Gigabyte users, Aorus users... Unify those that want this functionality.
4) NVidia had possibly planned to use three instead of four vrm the whole time, doesn't mean it was nefarious! They said maxwell was more energy efficient and may only need 3 for what spec is, whereas previously it required 4. They did not predict users would need it for reasonably foreseeable OC. In addition, they may have found if overvolted, even to spec, it would not be able to maintain with the 3 vrm. Something tested for, but not always seen until in practice (partner OEMs could have informed them of failures) causing them to lock all cards to avoid the issue. If that is the case, it would explain the lock down.
We need more info and should unify, not divide. One voice is better than divided. Then, communicating with OEMs would help, but not before. NVIDIA could not care about a subsect of a subsect of their smaller sells for profit. We are a small minority. That doesn't mean we can't be effective. But we must stop the fingerpointing and try to figure out the rationale behind it and what we can do about it.

 

I'm just afraid now Nvidia will stop providing drivers for mobile cards altogether and just let the OEM's do it, which means we probably won't get regular updates, just once or twice a year if lucky.

 

Something tells me it's not going to be as simple as a INF mod. They probably did this somewhere real low level in the driver.

 

Yep it would be.

I prefered Nvidia due to a couple of games I play regularly getting better fps, BUT if AMD offer's a viable and cheaper alternative even if there is a small fps drop the difference is good enough for me. Heck the 8970M was like $200 cheaper than the 780M at the time of my purchase and the fps wasn't too bad and for sure didn't warrant me spending an extra $200. That laptop I spent like a total of $1600 on after an SSD upgrade. I spent almost $2600 on this MSI after an SSD upgrade and did it with the sole intention of future-proofing myself as the GT72 CAN support very decent overclocks on the gpu! Just did a +135 on core and +150 on MSI afterburner. (does it multiply that by 4 since it is GDDR5 or is that only a +150? I could never get that one right) Anyhow, temps maxed out at 72C that was beyond 25C below max throttling temp! WTF Nvidia! Running 344.75 btw. Hmm, when the 980M does get long in the tooth I will see what AMD has to offer first then. Since I can't overclock my 980M now per Nvidia I won't get that extra 6 months or year and will just jump ship. Hell the only thing preventing me from jumping ship now is I still need some mobility. Otherwise, I would trade it for a second desktop or just ouright sell it since my desktop does all I need. My MSI GT72 IS pretty much a portable version of my desktop.

So yeah, unless Nvidia does a 180 I'm jumping ship when my 980M can't game for me anymore and WON'T be upgrading my GTX 770 SC for fear that Nvidia will lock down desktop cards. OH, WAIT! I just said SC. my GTX 770 was OC'ed from factory. HAH! Love to see Nvidia reverse course on that as my GTX 770SC will at least still be OC'ed thanks to factory.

 

I dare say less than 1% notebook users overclock anything at all, so petitions are useless and will affect nothing. No Nvidia VGA overclock with latest drivers, it's a fact, live with it. What is really important - to figure if notebook VGAs with modified vBIOS frequencies experience any problems running those drivers or not. Anyone tried yet?

 

"There are 3 types of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain

What do you think is the percentage of Nvidia dGPU laptop users who overclock?

 

Haha, I just unbolded it and made it the same size. Removed the Alienware logo in case anyone thinks I find their current behaviour acceptable!

 

I think it's also less than 1%.

 

Although I do not agree with it at all, you are entitled to your opinion

 

I'm not jumping to the fact petitions are useless yet. I think this needs hit on all fronts. 1) unify users, 2) try to pressure OEMs and petitions, 3) driver and bios development. You are gunghoe on number 3. Even if we don't get it back this generation, it may get it back in future generations of cards, so doing 1 and 2 is still needed (that or good offerings from AMD in the mobile sector). I think doing a compare documents (legal blackline) between every inf file (not just the common ones modified) in the 344.75 and any of the 347 drivers would narrow down changes. The earlier the 347 driver, the better as fewer changes to tease out for what changes effected what functionality, but any of them will technically work. Then once identified, change the lockdown part back to the 344 with all other changes in place. Just a thought.

 

I disagree with this viewpoint & attitude, often the lower specced GPUs are the ones that gain the most from overclocking, and I've seen people overclocking all sorts of GPUs, not just the high end enthusiast market, so I'm pretty sure it's more than 1%. Either way, that kind of talk is not positive - if you wanna change something you've got to try, no point in pondering the negatives and being defeatist - if you don't ask you don't get, if you don't try you don't suceed - all that stuff! So I say go ahead & sign that petition, otherwise it's just whinging - don't be a whinger!!
https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-re-enable-overclocking-on-geforce-equipped-notebooks

 

Sorry I had to edit your post but you do also have sisters in this scene too