No more overclocking on Nvidia mobile GPUs

I think we need to start emailing these guys: http://bursor.com/investigations/nvidia/

Nvidia's delayed announcement looks a lot like false advertising, as overclocking has been a feature for so long that it's removal on the 900m series needed to be said up front at launch and not after months of duping consumers. The 980m has only 3 VRMs where previous high end moble GPUs had 4 VRMs. Nvidia knew of this before launch and by ManuelG's own words, they had the intent to block overclocking from the beginning. As such, Nvidia had the responsibility to inform the consumer from the beginning as well.

NY: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/GBS/22-A/350-a

Search N.Y. GBS. LAW § 350-a : NY Code - Section 350-A: False advertising
In determining whether any advertising is misleading, there shall be taken into account (among other things) not only representations made by statement, word, design, device, sound or any combination thereof, but also the extent to which the advertising fails to reveal facts material in the light of such representations with respect to the commodity or employment to which the advertising relates under the conditions prescribed in said advertisement, or under such conditions as are customary or usual.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1540917/forums-geforce-no-more-overclocking-on-nvidia-mobile-gpus/0_50

This is how the desktop community views this issue.

 

I guess I don't understand how what they're doing is legal. Same goes for iPhones and/or any other type of hardware we buy but we're limited in using. To me, if we're being limited; then we're leasing the technology. Nothing more and if that's true; well then, we should be paying leasing prices and be able to exchange the tech for upgrades at a whim.

 

May bad! I meant no disrespect to anyone. I still follow the royal and historical male pronouns and other references, etc. to refer to a group. I know the movement and see it regularly in writings and texts I have to read, I just have not retrained myself yet. I'm a work in progress...

 

People who think you can kill a mobile GPU by overclocking it have zero understanding on how notebooks work.
First of all, you have a +135MHz limit on the core clock for mobile GPUs. You`re not killing a GPU by doing +135MHz. To go beyond this limit you will need to reflash it with a modded vbios, and there goes your claim for warranty coverage anyway....

Second, even if you had the option to go beyond that limit, there are temperature limits on the GPU that force shut the whole computer if the thermal sensors read too hot temps.

Third, the only data you can change with a overclocking tool that can kill a mobile GPU is voltage. Which isnt available to change with mobile GPUs. Voltage have been disabled for a long time. To change it, you again need to use a modified vbios. Yes, warranty goes away here too if you go that route.

Forth, there are MANY gamer notebooks that can easily do overclocking and cool off a mobile GPU. Asus G751, MSI GT72, MSI GT80, Alienware 18, Alienware 17, many Clevo notebooks etc etc.
Just because some OEMs are appealing to the Hipster Joe and make their notebooks thin, they can`t drag down the rest of the OEMs and models that can do overclocking easily. Nvidia have no right to disable overclocking broadly across all mobile GPUs because there may exist some thin models that would catch on fire due to bad design.

No. Nvidia are obligated to have overclocking enabled on all drivers, be it mobile or desktop, and let OEMs decide if their models can`t handle overclocking and take precautions like implementing BIOS block from overclocking the GPUs.

This is Nvidia being greedy and we just caught them with their stinky fingers inside the cookie jar. Without overclocking for mobile, they can sell GT 940M to GT 840M (examples) owners. The two GPUs are identical, but the GT 940M run +100MHz higher hence it could persuade some fool to buy a new notebook with GT 940M just to have the "newest" since overclocking is disabled.

This was a stupid move from Nvidia, and I expected more after the GTX 970 accident where they had to come clean about the real ROP specs for the GTX 970 other than what was being advertised in marketing channels and from reviewers.

Shame on you Nvidia

 

Oh my god. I couldn't even click past the first page. I'm sitting here with my thin and light GE40 with an 'old' 760M, enjoying stable overclocks of +135 MHz. My GPU temps don't cross 78C, even after running Heaven 4.0 maxed out for half an hour.

And I thought PC gamers were supposed to be smart.

 

So, i must say many casual users don't frequent these forums. They buy and use. This is still a subset of users.

 

This is ridiculous. Just checked my old laptop with a 660m, and it's overclocking just fine @+225/+450 on modded BIOS. Surely there will be ways around this? Looks like the AMD cards just got a whole lot more appealing....
I remember way way back in the day when the only way to overclock my ATI laptop was to run "Omega drivers" from a guy who modded the original Ati drivers somehow and called them "Omega Drivers" (WAY before AMD started calling their drivers omega drivers)

 

Can we get around this stuff using desktop driver mod like Mr Fox's? Has anyone tried this?

Edit: TBoneSan confirmed it's not possible..

 

Dell/AW have been breaching the laws on false advertising for some time. Their 120hz 3D models (dropped with latest refresh) did not mention anywhere that the iGPU was disabled and battery life was halved. Despite numerous complaints I kept on seeing purchasers that simply wanted a 'better' display and didn't opt for the compromise. AW's solution, they will replace it if you ask...

 

To this I say;



Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Yeah, I see many desktop owners using this opportunity to talk down on us mobile users.
They don`t see the bigger picture here, that Nvidia is just cutting away features without even a warning. This could happen to them too in the future if we don`t support each other right now

 

This

Which is why I won't be buying a new Desktop gpu from Nvidia. Right here would be my fear. Unless Nvidia does a 180 and they KEEP it, never to change it! Try again, no matter when and they will lose me for good. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

 

It's not like this is the first time NV dropped some feature randomly without noticing.

Which means most people don't ask...

 

Yes, exactly, this is the viewpoint I've been trying to put accross in the Guru3D forums - some support from desktop users there to be honest, which is good. You're always gonna get some people trolling your posts though when it comes to the whole desktop vs laptop thing, but no point in getting involved in fights with them about it. I would wager a few Guru3d forum members have signed up to the petition as a result of our efforts!

 

Know your audience. Reach out to water cooling and extreme oc guys. People who understand trying to maximize their hardware. Not average purchasers. Then concede that desktop gaming is better and more powerful. Say you can't always game on a desktop and want fun on the go. Explain that this gave us desktop power for our preference. Do not try to convince them this is as good as a desktop. Bite your tongues and ask for help. They know they don't have a bone in this fight, so don't try to convince them of anything. At most, say we have better cooling and want the same as they do in their desktops, period.

 

Good work Robbo. Keep on rallying for support. I see 239 have signed the petition now.

Yeah you are right. We should ignore the few desktop guys who are against our case and stop trying to convince them. Many trolls out there too.

Not easy you know

 

There are few users there that van comprehend laptop overlocking.

The few that do are making a few good points, however. They also seem to change the percaption of the ignorant users a bit.

Sent from my GT-I9300

 

Pretty much all tech sites is writing about it now. Good effort guys
Now we wait and hope Nvidia will issue out a new statement where they redact this stupid block

https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=oS7eVMiSDYqr8wfgh4HYBg&gws_rd=ssl,cr&fg=1#q=nvidia overclock&tbs=qdr:d

 

Also don't forget to use analogies : imagine buying a new water block for your card. You get excited and put it on. You go to overclock and all of a sudden it is locked. You would be pissed! In the same way, we payed a lot for this opportunity with specific hardware. We aren't asking for you to agree with or support our decision to overclock. We are asking for you to support our freedom to use our hardware as we see fit, just like you do. That is all we are asking for: freedom. We need your help in this. Will you please help us in our pursuit of freedom to choose?

 

I agree with a lot of the comments here regarding the DT community. We know their cards run faster, have better cooling and overclock/overvolt easilly. We are just looking for a better compromise than NV are enforcing on us, and asking for a little help from fellow DT gamers.

 

My gpu would be garbage without overclock!I support it cause i overclocked mine gpu for 336mhz/750mhz and my 760M isnt now too much slower than a 770M or 860M at stock and runs about 70C-75C depends on game.Btw nvidia is having a press conference in the beginning of march i read on some forums that people are guessing that nvidia will announce a new api?but im not sure about that..We will see

 

Just for the info, I modified my vBios and flashed it, with nvflash, and it works like a charm.

It's just annoying to have to flash vBios everytime I need to change my OC settings, but as I already found optimal core and memory clocks' frequencies for my laptop, I don't really need to do it that often.

It will be a pain in the ass to benchmark, but it is still possible to play games with OC'ed settings.

 

its not too hard to flash it.I used fpt95 and i dont have problems.I would everyone suggest fpt95 cause its easy.

 

Now that's what I wanted to see! Thank you, Gandem!

 

My significant other writes for the Huffington Post.

We're looking at getting the story on there

 

Added myself to the petition mentioned earlier
Mick

 

I meant new alienware 15 with amd option LOL

 

If he/she is able to get it in, if possible, try to have the article mention some lesser known manufacturers (clevo, gigabyte, auros, etc. ) beside the big boys (dell/Alienware, asus, msi)for high end gaming laptops so that it adds publicity for them and raises awareness that the community is larger than people think, as well as showing people alternative custom laptop suppliers. Just a thought for helping to change laptop awareness for mass consumers that don't know.

 

I've been thinking and... how is this any different to the furore that surrounds any PC game that blocks modding (i.e. like the recent Dying Light controversy)? Desktop gamers get MAD when that happens. But when a similar thing happens on the hardware side for laptops they just don't care because it doesn't affect them in anyway and many, being snarky arrogant selfish a-holes actually support the corporation rather than the customer, because it gives them another opportunity to gloat about how 'superior' their desktops are.

 

Just don't rise to the bait, I don't think that's a particularly compelling analogy to be honest. The simplest analogy is just a direct comparison: they like overclocking, we like overclocking, simples!

(And desktops are superior when comparing the apex of desktop gaming vs laptop gaming - when talking about just pure performance, so no point arguing that point with them anyway).

 

I love the fact that lots of tech sites are posting this:



And the official ASUS GPU Tweak download: http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=ASUS GPU Tweak for Laptops&p=3&s=588

Add to OP maybe?

 

Do they have this utility for Win 7?

 

It probably works fine on Win 7.

Have you tried it?

 

Prohibition of alcohol in the US was intended to 'safeguard' the people - and how did that turn out?

That fact doesn't bother me at all - it is a fact after all. It is the way they use that fact to justify the way NVIDIA treats its laptop customers as 2nd class citizens that really grinds my gears - they act as if we deserve all the bad news we get for daring to choose a laptop over their sacred and godly desktop.

 

I know, it's annoying isn't it, it's not everyone though.

 

Wow, not supposed to overclock laptops? Well, somebody should have told me this a long time ago, ha ha!

No reason not to overclock a decent laptop for benching... been doing it for years now without consequence. No need to overclock for simple gameplay, but life would be far too boring if all there was to do was play games. If you cut corners and buy a junky laptop to save a few bucks, it might get too hot, but thermals are never an issue with a good machine.

It sure did take them a LONG time to discover and fix that "bug" LOL. If they are going to be liars, they should at least try harder. They're not very good at it.

980M SLI - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9405275


780M SLI - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8291584


680M SLI - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6924868


580M SLI - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/3497119

 

Baiting aside, insecurity often manifests itself as hyperaggression.

 

Looks like they forgot to warn tell lies to a lot of people, LOL. Kind of blows big holes in the retarded "nobody overclocks laptops" troll posting.

 

Someone should juxtapose this with ManuelG's reply about how overclocking was a "bug" they didn't discover until some 10+ years later. Then find a way to make it go viral.

 

might have to sell my ROG swift now and buy another monitor with free sync when it comes out. Really don't wanna support Nvidia in any way till they resolve this and apologize for making EA like mistakes.

 

Cool, you finally got a proper laptop now! ;-)

 

I downloaded it, but i am studying atm. I'll try it this evening.

 

If only he could overclock it on a current driver...

 

Also, does anyone want to ask a review company (anandtech, tweaktown, hardoc, etc.) to test the hypothesis that the card does not run at spec 1.2V because of the missing VRM. Don't run the VRAM hot (OC) because this is to see if the vrm becomes damaged or not. This is to see if there is a design defect in the vrm of the cards. I am not suggesting any consumer try this at home, am telling people do not put their card /laptop/warranty at risk, and say that if performed it is done so at your own risk.

 

I wrote a book in annoyance at one of their users on OCN. I really really hate that OCN crowd.

 

I thought I'l load up that Azus utility, just to see. I know I don't have a Maxwell card but I expect it would work on mine. Anyway, it says 'optimus active, check your PSU. Running on iGPU'. Then it crashes and exits.

I don't even have an iGPU it's hard-wired out in the 120hz model! Hopefully the problem is just specific to my setup anyway and it will work for most if so.

 

I know, your upgrade-threads made me do the same Though I never tweaked and pimped mine as you did.

You should have added a fineprint, no backsies!

Swedish Sweclockers is mostly desktop-oriented. Initial impressions are mostly anger against Nvidia, I have posted this thread, the petittion and survey and asked them for support.

 

I did it yesterday on the nvidia forums thread. But they can't respond anything to that, so they ignore :/