Nvidia 8600M performance, general discussion

The 8600M cards can literally double performance when using the full Turbocache. Check out GenTechPC's thread between the 8600M-GS and the 8600M-GT.

 

take a pic for us when you eat your words

 

well im concerned aout my turbo cache i only getting 512 mb on my graph card when its suppose to be 1 gb

 

how much system ram do you have?
and how much dedicated VRAM?

 

I would ask in the Asus F3SV Owner's Thread to see what the normal Turbocache is, but I think with 2GB and Vista, 512mb total VRAM is normal.

 

i have 2gb of system ram and 256mb dedicated Vram

i run xp still but im actually gonna check if anyone replied to my request

 

i run an f3sv with 3 gigs of ram in it, and i have... <checking> 767 MB shared for what it recognizes as a total of just over 1000 MB. Hope this helps.

 

K guys need your help, which system will run games better?

T5250 processor
2 GB ram
256mb 8600gt

or

T7300 processor
2 GB ram
256mb 8600gs

the memory on both systems are identical.

 

How much does the 8600M uses Turbocache, more than 1024MB from shared memory?? which shared memory?

Apparently 8700M can only uses upto 256MB (max??) shared memory as turbocache....it's so low, which could explains its sharp (non-gradual) fall in performances as we go higher resolutions above 1280x800
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3074&p=8
or is it just incompetent drivers??

 

I believe the 8600M cards can only Turbocache up to 1024mb of memory. So if you have 256mb of dedicated memory, the card will share up to 768mb of your system RAM.

No, the fall in performance with increased resolutions is due to the fact that the 8700M-GT is entirely bottlenecked by it's memory fill rate, instead of by it's core power (which is what bottlenecks most high-end cards) or the CPU.

 

azan, both cpu's will run games smooth, although, 2 ghz is more powerful. is it worth $$? it's for u to decide

 

r turbocache working right yea but im suppose to be having up to 767 MB shared too to make the 1024 MB vram on my cad but i dont know why it aint there... it said 1gb turbocache with 2gb memory

 

That's probably an error. I'm pretty sure no card will turbocache 1GB if you only have 2GB of system memory. You'll need to by more memory if you want it to turbocache more.

 

HI guys,

I'm having a bit of a problem with my new laptop and World of Warcraft.....

Here's the specs:

2GB DDR2 667
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0
5400 RPM 120GB HDD
8600GT 512Mb DDR2 dedicated
Vista Ultimate
1680x1050 display

Ok so even with AA turned off in the NVIDIA control panel, at 1024x768 with lots of the settings at low.....playing wow I'm getting approx 50fps.....

At my native res...an absolute nightmare peaking at no higher than 30.

And yes I've updated my drivers...163.44

Any ideas? My 256Mb 7600 from a year ago runs faster than this........

Thanks in advance.

 

This is not looking good for nVidia 8m series!
What is nVidia thinking??

 

Planet: it's looking better than ATI, since nVidia's topcard, while maybe not extremely good, is still better than ATIs

 

Hmmm according to RivaTuner it's actually 512Mb of DDR3 not DDR2....if this is the case I am all the more worried about the poor performance I am seeing.

 

what laptop do you have? i'm almost 100% sure your card does not have DDR3

 

sorry, it is not the case, RiverTuner is coded for desktop GPUs, therefore it assume it's the 8600 GT of the desktop and not the 8600m GT, and displayed as GDDR3. It is actually DDR2 is your system if it is not an Asus G1s, G2s, or the MBP.

 

Have you applied the Vista hotfixes for performance, memory management and compatability?

The 8600 is superior to the 7600 chipset in pretty much every way except memory if we are talking the 7600GT. (it woudl have GDDR3 while your version of the 8600 has GDDR2)

 

Like Kernalpanic siad check out some fixes, etc. clean ur system from whatever bs u got on there, check for viruses, etc. see what programs are running in the background. I got the same exact system, and every game runs pretty smooth. WOW is not such a demanding game after all.

 

I've applied all the hotfixes, sorted out all the crap running in the background....still no luck.

This is my laptop:

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1227&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=271
I have the performance edition not the extreme, the price difference was shocking :-( I have the WUXGA LCD.

I think I might try installing XP this weekend.....to check if it's drivers, hardware or Vista!

Thanks for your help so far.

 

Have you made sure its in "performance" mode for power saving and not "balanced" mode?

 

I installed XP day before yesterday.....fantastic now! Even with my 5400RPM HDD i'm getting between 25 and 60 FPS (I hate Shattrath) depending on where I am in the world on full settings at 1680x1050 with dual monitors and 2xAA AND without shutting down any background processes.

Pretty good considering the 128bit bus. If you're wanting better performance, wait for something else with a 256bit bus and DDR3.

Thanks for all your help and suggestions...I've kept my Vista Ultimate CD for future when they hopefully finally sort it out for gaming.

 

hi i have acer 5920 g with 8600 gt ( up to 1 gb turbocache)
the problem is with the video output on hdtv
there is some framerate shuettering when i play videos
is there any solution for that ( i update my driver with LaptopVideo2Go 163.44)
and i already tried the hdmi and vga with another hdtv so its not the tv problem
thanks

 

Hi all. I have read many posts on this site concerning the 8600m gt card, but I still need help with the following...(And forgive me if I am posting this in the wrong place..)
My system:
Dell 1720
Duo T7300
2GB DDR 667MHz
NVIDIA 8600m GT 256MB
Vista
160BG 5400RPM HD
Anti-Glare 1440x900
Intel Wireless N Mini Card

Here's my problem:
When playing Lord of the Rings Online, I am experiencing choppiness/stuttering in between bursts of decent frame rates (30-50 according to Fraps).
This occurs regardless of video settings for game or resolution. That is, with game setting on high and resolution at 1440x900 (looks awesome), or game setting on low and 800x600 , or anything in between (looks ok to awful) i get the same choppiness/stuttering every few seconds. (Not a complete lag where I stop moving, but a sudden drop in framerates to single digits for a couple of seconds)...


As this is an online game, of course i have questioned my connection. I am using high speed cable connection with a wireless set-up. However, my desktop, which also uses the same wireless connection (not direct connection either), doesn't have this problem.

If it's the video card is causing the problem, shouldn't the lower settings at least make it better? (Using 163.44 driver. Tried others as well. )

Is it the hard drive? Not enough Ram? Dell Bloatware? ( though I did get rid of several programs.. and tried shutting down stuff from running in background, including the virus protection software)...

Or perhaps this is just Dell's version of water-torture?....every few seconds...

(And I thought that was over when the computer finally arrived- lol)
Any suggestions or insights would be greatly appreciated... .

Thanks

 

dude, chill....i don't see how u can't run lotr without maxing everything. try to clean install the drivers, just do a little check up. i'd go for windows xp, if i were u. just read what the guy who was having problems with wow, also an online game, said a little above u. clean ur system first though, then post back.

 

is anybody using their 8600m Laptop playing the Crysis BETA? I'm trying to get the most out of it but I'm kinda stuck. Using yesterdays 163.71 WHQL drivers which gave me a couple of fps but I'm still not able to overclock again even though the new RivaTuner 2.05 is supposed to support the driver again... hm

any ideas on any of the two subjects?

 

thus the whole reason i am considering a higher gpu.. i dont want any issues.. .with the top end games...

 

I tend to believe the burst of stuttering is caused by when the CPU hit 100% usage rather than the GPU...You need to have at least T7700 in order not to held back the performance of 8600m...

 

It's not a CPU bottleneck, it's some kind of problem with the setup or other processes, as other's with the same game and GPU have not experienced this. You do not need a T7700 for the 8600M-GT in normal games, it will not hold the GPU back. A better processor might help in some RTS', however the kind of stuttering talked about here is not a simple processor bottleneck, it's something else.

 

Hey i got my 1520 a while ago
My Specs are 2.2ghz 800mhz fsb
2gb 667fsb
and a 8600mgt 256mb
now my 3d mark06 score is only 3200 Now i`m using 165.01 and i think i should be getting higher than that.
Now am i supposed to be getting higher mark06 scores? if so what drivers can i use to get my fps better? its sorta pissing me off. Also should i go for XP

 

What resolution screen do you have? And why do you think you should be getting higher than that? At default res you should expect around 2900-3000.

 

I had stuttering issue with older game like Rainbowsix Raven Shield back and figured out that it got something to do with game engine being incompatible with Geforce 8 series. Imagine those people having stuttering issue with 2002 game on geforce 8800gtx and killer cpu that just not right. Someone discovered some trick to solve the problem. There were a few stuttering fixing threads around and they worked for some people too.

 

did u try applying the multi-thread hotfix?! a lot of people these days have dual core cpu's and old games, of course, don't even have a clue what that is. there's a thread somewhere over here, do a search.

by the way, your 3dmark score is good. that's the average score for ddr2 version of 8600.

 

i'm running at native res. which i believe is 1280 by 800? does that sound right? also when i read the review for my laptop the dude got 3900 on his.

 

nvm i must be on crack, i just looked at both reviews and they 06 scores were 2900 and 3000. But just as another question with my drivers (165.01) can i use rivatuner? i wanna OC this *****

 

yup, using older drivers with riva tuner. some people seem to get the newer ones overclock as well, even though, there are not too many of those. use latest riva tuner - 2.05

 

Again, what resolution monitor do you have? If you have a 1280x800 or a 1440x900 monitor, then 3dmark06 will not be able to run in native resolution (1280x1024) because there physically aren't enough vertical pixels.

I don't know about the 165.01 drivers, however the best drivers to OC a mobile card at this point in time are probably the 158.xx series.

 

thanks guys

 

hm. i got rivatuner and it doesn't give me anywhere that i can OC. where do i have to go so i can OC my card?

 

what about the 8600M

without the GT><

or are they the same card><

 

2 main notebook variants of the 8600 series. One is the GS and the other is the GT(more powerful). The GT itself either comes with DDR2 memory (vast majority of cards) or GDDR3 memory (Faster clocked memory = better performance).

Ask masterchef privately whether the GS stands up to the PS2's chips.

 

how much better/worse is the 8600M to the 8600 GTS G84

also how do i find out what version of the graghics card comes in a laptop other then asking the company that created it as im still waiting for a reply.

does any one have this laptop
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF06b/21675-38187-38191-38191-38191-80247530-80540669.html

and could they please tell me if its GS or GT and if its DDR2 or DDR3 and what the Mz of it is^^

 

The 8600M-GT is an underclocked version of the 8600GT, so it's considerably worse than the 8600GTS.

That's the 8600M-GS. I don't know what HP clocks their cards at, you could ask around on the HP board I suppose.

 

are you sure, i emailed HP about the graphics card and their reply was this

"In response to your query regarding, the Graphics card in this machine the 8600m is a GDR3 memory type and has a clock speed of1600mhz also the Windows Vista operating system that is installed is a 32 bit version of Vista Home premium."

 

That's a lie, even at stock nVidia clock's the 8600M with GDDR3 memory is only 700MHz (effective 1400MHz). Plus, in the U.S. at least, it seems to come with DDR2 memory.

 

what so ya saying that they guy lied to me?
how else can i find out what if its GS or GT and if its DDR2 or DDR3 and what the Mz is?

 

You can't, not for sure before you buy it. And yes, I'm saying he lied to you. It's an 8600M-GS, and even if it had GDDR3 memory (which it probably doesn't) it would only be clocked at 1400MHz, not 1600MHz.

 

great.

dont know if i should take the risk.