Nvidia clockblock: vBIOS (unblocked in 353.00)

cries silently at departed GPUs
Well I hope you enjoy your desktop a lot man. Seems like that's the way to go from now on.

 

I have an unmodified MSI vbios, and i can still overclock ( +135 block ).

 

Lol, Cheers fella, Yeah I am already. Only have a single 980 in their right now. I posted up a few pics of the build here in the desktop thread So yeah I've kind of reluctantly moved to a desktop for the foreseeable future . I can't justify paying money on any machine over $1000 that can't be upgraded. I still love me some DRT.. trouble is their isn't any anymore. Maybe my R2 will have another revival if the next 9xxm/1xxxm isn't goofy with overclocking.

 

Thanks for that info. I'm expecting this to be most relevant for Alienware & Clevo owners that previously had the clock block affected through the vBIOS, the NVidia driver release before 350.12 actually unlocked those restrictive vBIOS & allowed overclocking, it just looks like 350.12 might have brought back the block though for users of some Alienware & Clevo systems. More feedback from Alienware & Clevo owners appreciated, in relation to 970M and 980M.

 

Wait. WHEN did you get that card? You don't have a GT72 or GT80, and early 900M cards don't have the vBIOS lock. We need to find someone who has previously had a vBIOS block who lost it in 347.88 to test with 350.12.

Or we could ask @Prema XD.

 

Pfffew lucky I didn't just upgrade to the latest following advice that all were unblocked. How frustrating.

There needs to be a consolidated thread which keeps track of which bio's are locked and unblocked.

 

You seem very confused. If you were able to overclock on pre-347, you can still overclock on the latest driver. The driver has no effect on the vBIOS.

 

I have clevo with 980ms and I can still overclock . I have the stock vbios that came on my cards.
With 350.12 driver

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Could you have overclocked on 344.75 drivers? The 347.88 driver allowed ALL to overclock, regardless of a clockblocked vBIOS or not.
Clockblocked vBIOS cards could not overclock on non-OC-blocked drivers pre-347.xx family (excepting 347.88).
Non-clockblocked vBIOS cards COULD overclock on pre-347.xx drivers, but not on 347.xx drivers (excepting 347.88).
You need to have had a clockblocked vBIOS card to test 350.12

 

When I first got my laptop it had driver 344.00 installed and I didn't even try to overclock . I then updated driver to 347.09 or 347.52 can't remember exactly witch one. But then I couldn't overclock until 347.88 . And now 350.12 . So I guess that means I never had a clocked blocked vbios . I should of tested with 344.00 when I first got if but hey 980ms in sli what did I need to overclock for . It maxed everything at 60fps ultra everything .

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http://forum.techinferno.com/genera...t-overclocking-mobile-gpus-26.html#post129668

 

So, Nvidia has blocked, then unblocked, and now blocked OC again?

 

If you have a vBIOS dated before early December then OC works with 350.12.
If you have a vBIOS dated later than early December then OC is blocked once again.
If you have one of the new system BIOS with additional "OC-lock-bit" then, well...more later.

 

I'll edit the post title to reflect the change, thanks Prema.

 

They are indeed blocked OC again, confirmed on my 960m (vBios lock).

 

Give it a little time. Maybe the last-minute changes made to 347.88 couldn't be added to 350.12 in time, i.e. 350.12 was rushed out for GTA V release. If the next driver or two is still clockblocked for those with locked vBIOS, Houston we have a problem.

 

That was my thinking about it, it probably just didn't get merged into the new branch.

This is an issue though because so many have had issues with GTA V on older drivers. In fact in GeForce Experience, the update is literally called the GTA V update when it is starting up the installer. Will be interesting to see what nVidia has to say...

 

I wouldn't put it past nVidia to quietly block OC again. Sure we can stir up another ****storm, but they've got nothing to lose at this point. I mean really, what are all you Maxwell owners gonna do, grab an M295X? *cue laugh track*

Like it or not, they have us by the balls, so unless AMD surprises us with the M390X, 2015 is going to suck horribly for all us laptop owners. (as if Intel's BGA push isn't bad enough already)

 

I fully expect Nvidia to try to clock block again. Perhaps on another release when OEM's don't advertise their systems as overclockable.
For now though, I agree the next set of drivers will be unblocked.

 

God damn it Leeroy..
I get my P771ZM within a week, I wonder what BIOS is on it.

 

Let's be honest Najsman... you're GOING to use an unlocked vBIOS on it.
You're GOING to use a Prema bios on it.
You're GOING to be an enthusiast dammit.
You're GOING to laugh because #Clevo.

Or something.

I hope.

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All this bull$%&t has me wondering if I should trade my MSI in for a desktop. I mean it's great but my Alienware can still play all my games at "High" or even "Ultra" with it's 770M AND can still be overclocked. In fact my sig shows and OC on the 770M that hasn't really been put into effect yet. Having that laptop and a good gaming desktop would be ok by me. Makes me wonder how long it'll take for Nvidia to clockblock from the driver again. Safe for now, as my model was released in October at the "birth" of the 980M and not been updated on the vbios or bios for that matter so it's safe there, but who knows, as it seems they may still be pushing for the block.

 

That 4710HQ is a killer for me. I can't stand a CPU that decides it must be limited by 47W

 

Let's keep it to the gpu's, I'm not gonna talk about a cpu, one which works for my uses anyhow, and still has the same 47W limit, so anyways in the gpu department if nvidia will go back to clockblocking then I'm done with them. I don't care what AMD has out, if it plays my games ok I'll go with them, if not, than I just won't game, it's come to that for me. I bought my GT72 for the 980M to 'future-proof" me, specially when I figured I could oc it like I could with the 770M (which came later when I had to be rid of my desktop.) Will turns out the 770M still plays all my games wonderfully, so I'll keep that laptop specially since it still has upgrade paths AND OC headroom. I am contemplating, trading or selling my GT72 for a gaming desktop now, as I'm not as mobile as I thought I would be anyhow and as stated the AW 17 does what I need on the go. (Kind of wish I hadn't traded my desktop for the AW, but at least it's something that can still be upgraded and not a "tied down" laptop.) Anyhow /rant

Maybe nvidia just didn't get the parts into the latest driver update due to GTA V as stated before and they just rushed it out the door. I'll just wait and see.

 

The 4710hq isn't limited to 47w. In turbo mode the limit is whatever you set the slider to in Intel XTU. I've gotten mine up to 65w sustained for over an hour with prime95 torture test.

 

I don't believe you. I want validated proof of that. I've not found ANYONE with a laptop that has been able to get a 4710HQ to surpass 47W under sustained loads, and others with the AW17 R2 have throttled to 2.5GHz under any kind of half-decent load, far less be purely TDP limited.

If what you say is true you are the only laptop user on this whole forum with a 4710HQ that listens to TDP limits set in XTU. GT72 and GT80 don't do it. P6xxSx from clevo don't do it. Lenovo doesn't do it. ASUS machines definitely don't do it. Nobody does it. I want proof.

 

I know how you feel, and I largely feel the same way too, but really hope it doesn't come down to that.

If it does then I'll just go back to playing CS 1.6 and TFC lolololol

Or hey who knows maybe Intel will pull some magic with its Iris Pro

 

Same here, I really hope it doesn't come to it, but if it does I'll vote with my wallet and such. Even getting rid of current stuff as I couldn't overclock it anymore. I may actually just keep what I have until it does get too old, no sense in getting rid of it. Unless a really good desktop trade comes along. But I won't be buying into Nvidia any longer, just to make a point. Honestly I had a laptop that had the AMD 8970M in it and it was probably overkill. So yeah a 980M was like triple overkill for me, but I didn't care at the time as I had heard that it would be a decent overclocker so figured hey let's go max and still have room!" haha. Just depends on Nvidia's route and my personal situation when/ if the time comes.

I've read Iris Pro was looking good, but obviously nothing compared to a 980M lol. I had a Surface Pro 3 and wish it had Iris Pro instead of the weak 4600 IGPU. (I think, maybe it was even less as I had the i5 model I think.)

 

So guys i am getting a laptop with GTX 850m Tomorrow what do i need to make sure i can overclock the GPU?

it's hard to read 28 pages but do i just need to install 347.88 driver? or something else

thanks

 

347.88 driver will allow +135 on the core.

 

Mostly got my 970M in time for GTA V, arrived the next day. Load in 350.12 for max performance with GTA V, and behold, cannot overclock, this is so awesome, NOT!

 

That's the maximum rate gtx 850m can achieve right?

 

That's the max you can overclock any gpu unless you change the vbios on the card to a modded one. If you modd the vbios on the card and something happens to the card you are not covered under your warranty. But I have modded at least 4 cards before and never had a problem but there's always somewhat of a risk.

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my laptop isn't under warranty .. how to mod the vbios? any link

and does it worth on GTX 850m?

HP ENVY 15-q012tx

 

I don't know how to do links but if you go to techinferno forum there you will find the modded bios and the directions on how to do it.

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Will I can still oc on my 980M on 350.12

Before OC-


After a OC I know works-


Considering the power of the 980M though I don't see a need to overclock yet, but I'm hoping that nvidia doesn't clockblock anymore as it would still make me leave down the road. I could give a darn, I'll either downgrade my graphics or leave computer gaming as a whole if Nvidia does clockblock as how long before desktops get that treatment? It's only a matter of time before they will try.

On the note of vbios that won't allow overclocking, I think it may have been mentioned before, but my bets are that nvidia released that vbios when they attempted the clockblock. Figured, "hey they can't overclock from driver standpoint so there is no need to have vbios that "supports" it either. I don't know or think they counted on such an uproar to have to pull a 180 like they did. But the vbios was already done. I'm not always an early adopter for more than one reason, but I'm glad I was this time. As I got an 'untainted' vbios.

I still think that 350.12 was rushed for GTA V so it didn't have all the ignore bits and pieces it needed to ignore the clockblocked vbios. But if the next couple driver updates still don't allow overclocking I WOULD call FOUL! Let's just wait and see what happens before doing so though. I for one am guilty of 'jumping before looking' as well, so this is for me as well, lol.

 

Bought my card in february (02/22) ( GT72 upgrade kit )
344.75 = oc ok, then came the clockgate, then 347.88 and oc ok again, and now 350.12 still ok.

From what i heard, no MSI cards are clock block. They still provide "regular" vbios.

 

MSI just released a clock blocked vBIOS for their top model GT80 2QE TITAN with GTX980M SLI this month...

 

Guess someone at MSI didn't get the memo...

 

Seeing as how "MSI" officially released a statement claiming "we will never release a vBIOS that prevents our users from overclocking" a couple months ago... isn't this sue-able false marketing?

 

I bet NVIDIA didn't even inform them as all new vBIOS are blocked...
There is not a single new vBIOS from any OEM that isn't clock blocked...
Everyone who has a system without block in 350.12 is using an old vBIOS...

 

My AW17R2 is not blocked in 350.12 from overclocking.

vBios: 84.04.29.00.14

 

My AW15 is blocked with 350.12, almost the same vBIOS, I guess the 17 means its newer or different model then. You = 980M and me = 970M

vBios: 84.04.29.00.17

 

Yeah... the 980m and 970m in the Alienware laptops have been flashed with vBIOSes of different dates. It could be assumed that the 980m's BIOS is older than the 970m's BIOS.

 

Whether they did or did not is irrelevant. nVidia said "it's up to manufacturers" and MSI said "we're never going to release a blocked vBIOS". They should have tested each new release; regardless of if the latest (at the time) driver ignored that vBIOS lock. It's a flat out discrepancy in their marketing. As with all these manufacturers cutting corners on us gaming laptop owners lately, I am extremely annoyed at the QA cutting corners and false marketing. I ALREADY have problems with the GT80 Titan being sold as having an "intel extreme processor" with its 4980HQ.

Edit: here's the proof http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...k-overclocking-capabilities-of-our-notebooks/

 

LoL...

 

^ SEE?

 

A Hq processor is rather quite "extreme"

 

Yes it's extreme[ly lame]

 

sorry, what's wrong with HQ processors ? i know that the only difference between MQ and HQ is that HQ is soldered to the mobo!

Why "BGA processors = Intel's new Garbage processors" ? @ Papusan