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HQ processors have a strict TDP limit which often means they have little or no turbo while MQ processors are not as strict with TDP. They can often be overridden.

 

It's just that extreme means unlocked.

 

*NOOB HERE*

what do you mean with "little or no turbo" and "Strict TDP" i made a search on intel ark and found that mq and hq processors have the same TDP "like I7 4712hq and 4712mq 37W TDP" - "I7 4710hq and 4710mq 47W TDP"

i am getting a laptop with i7 4712 hq proseccor that has 37 W TDP. i believe that lower TDP for 4712hq makes it more worse?

my only concern is the performance

 

Read the mobile i7 CPU guide in my signature.

 

thank you very much for the guide it was so informative.. now i know HQ is not better than mq because it can't hold it's clocks

but does that mean i7 4712hq 37W TDP OC to 3.5 GHz maybe fix the situation a little. so it can handle the turrboboost and high loads better?

 

less TDP = worse. A 37W 4712HQ is worse than a 47W 4710HQ because it has 10W less power. I.E. if a 47W 4710HQ can hold 3.2GHz in... BF4 on ultra at 1080p? A 37W 4712HQ might sit at like 2.6GHz or something in the same scenario.

 

2.6 from 3.5 GHz? my i7 3517u can keep it's 3 GHz under any load!

why would intel release something like that!

 

Simple. No competition.

 

Good guide D2! So none of the HQ chips can hold 56W for an extended period of time, but the MQ chips can maintain 56W when using XTU & compatible motherboards. Does throttlestop not help the HQ chips to maintain 56W with compatible motherboards? For instance on my 2630QM I used XTU & Throttlestop together to overide the time limit at 56W, therefore it runs at 56W forever in my setup, I followed this guide here (Section 1) (XTU Version 2.1 was the only version that made this procedure possible, later versions didn't work):
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-the-m17x-r3-with-without-modded-bios.617662/

That procedure won't prop up the HQ's then?

 

As far as I know, it still does it. Without owning a HQ chip myself I can only do SO MUCH testing (relying on others) but unless people want to send me two copies of each notebook on the market (AW 15, AW17 R2, GT72, GT80, Gigabyte with 4710HQ and 4870HQ etc) and then I try with throttlestop, XTU, modded and stock BIOSes (in MSI), etc etc for each, I'll have to rely on others.

Also, the uh... limits can surpass the 56W for the MQ chips on most boards. For example when I render a vid at say... 3.8GHz and stock voltage on my 4800MQ, I sit at 68-72W draw for as long as the render takes.

 

I doubt your i7 3517u would keep its 3GHz under any load. You just haven't put it under enough load yet. A CPU running at "100%" according to windows/throttlestop/etc is not indicative of the power it's using. XTU stress test will set my CPU at 100% constantly, but rendering a video from Shadowplay makes my CPU draw more power, and using Linpack makes my CPU draw even MORE power.

 

okay i tried XTU Stress test .. it didn't even achieve 3 GHz. So i guess i was wrong and i didn't test it correctly.

http://i.imgur.com/6F7wNFR.png

i am more worried about the new laptop i bought with i7 4712hq .. i can't return it but it has a decent cooling system so i hope i will not be disappointed more than i am now.

 

Your current CPU seems to be fine. 2.8 GHz is the "max" when using both cores; 3.0 GHz is achieved when using 1 core only.

 

Actually, your XTU settings show that you've restricted your TDP from the default...

 

Lol. 17W. Man dont we wish!

 

This is very good written by D2ultima ... I wish I was as good at writing in English itself ... But you or other can check this yourself if you own one of this tablet processor's yourself... Run some different processor benchmark tests and follow the clock speed .. A processor that is not suitable for overclocking or can't manage to keep full turbo boost clock during max load, is or can only be called (Garbage processor's).
What if you are satisfied with owning a "good chip" and must change the motherboard due to problems?
Another reason to hate such BGA processors is that most laptop manufacturers shrink the size of the laptop when such garbage exist. The result is fully apparent from the use of such processors. Poorer cooling and even more processor throttling.
I wish I have explained myself better about this problem child. But my English is not top.

 

wow you really hate HQ processors.

 

Because we're enthusiasts, and we want machines that will do what we say. Imagine if you bought an i7 for your desktop and as soon as you try to render a video it throttles to 2.5GHz and sits there. Imagine if you bought an overclockable CPU and it couldn't even play a 1080p game at 120fps because it kept downclocking itself. These HQ chips are *ALL* we have on the market. ALL. We can't get our old good chips anymore. And to make matters worse, we have to deal with nVidia screwing the market over on GPUs and AMD having nothing to show. Again. For the fourth year in a row.

 

Actually i considered buying a laptop with an HQ processor and didn't know about their problems, but now that i do i feel very relieved that i do not own one of these ill-behaving processors...

 

well, i did the same and i didn't know about their problems. i bought my laptop a month ago and it isn't shipped until now and i only know the HQ problems yesterday

the laptop come with i7 4712HQ which is more worse than 4710HQ

but actually, i still have hope it will give me a better performance than that in my mind.

that's the result of buying without searching.

edit-- when i decided to buy i thought that all i7 haswell quad processors are the same except the clock rate is different

i didn't even know they can be overclocked, this forum gave me a whole new information i thought it doesn't exist

same for GPU

 

Most people don't, and even more people don't care, because they find the thought of someone requiring high performance in a laptop format to be laughable, or stupid.

I don't blame you for this. Even if you were to search most other forums on the internet, ESPECIALLY "overclock.net" (which is supposedly all about tweaking and overclocking), you would have found a lot of people who'd say it didn't matter. This is why I wrote my guide, and why I am forever pissed off that LTT's retarded mods won't sticky it, because it is a wealth of information that people SHOULD read if they're considering a high performance laptop.

Yeah, most people think this too.

Again, most people think this. Or they feel that OCing your laptop is going to blow it up in smoke. Glory to the ignorant.

Don't. Even. Get. Me. STARTED. On. The. Misinformation. Out. There. About. OCing. Mobile. GPUs. If you thought CPU information was hard to find? GPU information is the opposite. There's a LOT of it to find, and 98% of it is WRONG. Everyone's in a big "pat each other on the back" contest with information that's been outdated since about 2006. The only way to shut them up is with benchmarks, and some of them are so stupid they'll try to claim the benchmarks are fake, or that lower resolutions were used, or some other kind of garbage. Nobody wants to listen or learn and the majority of the market is so beside itself because maxwell GPUs are so abnormally cool that super thin notebooks can now BARELY house 970Ms and 980Ms (where before they were lucky to find a x60M card that didn't overheat) that when you tell them about enthusiast machines and machines that are properly constructed and designed for cooling and solid workloads, they just don't care, don't want to hear, or claim that they'll break their backs because they're unable to carry more than 3 pounds, but that 3 pounds must be able to run BF4 on Ultra without going below 60fps and with quiet fans and without overheating.

Laws of physics be damned.

 

i don't know why, but i read your comment in morgan freeman voice. @D2 Ultima

I wonder how a razer blade would perform

thank you sir.

 

This is a terrible idea, your laptops will burn if you do that. One shouldn't overclock laptop components because they already get too hot, otherwise you could even fry some eggs on it










-said so called no brainer desktop PC master elitist

 

^ I love the fine print XD.

 

Not everyone has a thin laptop.

 

Surprisingly, even the Blade reaches the 135mhz limit with a reasonable temperature of 82 degrees. These GPUs are wicked cool.

 

Eh 90% of desktop users are just sheeple who conform to the hivemind anyway. It's sad that these people call themselves "enthusiasts", because enthusiasts they are not.

 

I can't believe NVidia continues to burn customers over and over. Someone needs to do something to get them to stop. Isn't that class action lawsuit enough?

 

Well, until people start voting with their wallets and actually buy AMD stuff, things are not going to improve.

 

The problem is they aren't as competitive with NVidia we'd like them to be.

 

And they will never be as competitive as nVidia if nobody buys their stuff.

It's a vicious cycle really.

 

If they can't compete on any front, maybe they should scale back and compete on one front (mobile or desktop) until they can seriously challenge NVIDIA. What about the money that they make off the consoles? Shouldn't that be significant?

 

AMD is, for all intents and purposes, absent in the mobile space, and we're already seeing the effects of no competition. 680M was almost a full GK104 with only 1 out of 8 SMX units disabled, and we all know how hot Kepler could get. 980M has 4/16 SMMs disabled for no reason other than "because [we] can". nVidia could just not release a full GM204 for mobile period and people would have no choice but to keep buying 980M, unless AMD surprises us with the M390X.

I'd imagine if the console revenue stream was any good, AMD wouldn't have posted a loss of $180 million in the past quarter. But who knows, hopefully Lisa Su will bring some much needed change to the company, we'll see.

 

Hey, -$180M is better than -$364M, so progress...right?

 

That's how abnormally cool the 970M is. Imagine that... OC to +135MHz and top out at 82 degrees in most games. 870M? Thermal throttle at stock almost all the time.

LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE. IMAGINE HOW MUCH MORE POWER WE COULD GET IN THE BIGGER NOTEBOOKS!

 

I agree, this isn't some small drop in temperature. This is 20+ degrees compared to the previous gen. The 135 mhz is ridiculous for the bigger machines that are running in the low 60s at stock. I guess that's why they feel they have to disable overclocking. With the headroom and the promises of DX12, people won't be upgrading for a while especially if they're planning on remaining at current resolutions (I game at 900p on my 14" laptop and I'm not planning change for a while). They are blocking overclocking because they have undergimped their cards.

 

Undergimped? IMO 980M is overgimped. It doesn't even have as many SMs as 970, to say nothing of 980. Utter lack of competition is probably the only reason we don't have the full GM204 on mobile right now.

 

At least from NVIDIA's eyes. The card under the 980M is still ahead of the competition's best.

 

Exactly. What motivation does Nvidia have to continue to run a one-man race?

 

None, that's why they're limiting performance because they probably think that what they've released is so far ahead of the competition that they can just overclock it themselves and resell it à la 960M.

 

nVidia is pulling an Intel is what's happening.

 

"Most chips lock themselves to their 57W turbo boost short power max value for some duration if load spikes, however some machines (like the GT72 from MSI) lock themselves to the chip's 47W limit 24/7. "

 

There were multiple users in the very same GT72 owner's lounge on these forums that could not pass 47W on their chips with 4710HQs no matter what they did. Seems your machine acts differently. I'll change the line.

 

They pulled an AMD last year so it only makes sense that it is Intel this year, right?

 

I literally lol'd

 

You know I was not trying to be funny but after I realized what I had just said and thought about it, I wanted to laugh and cry at the same time. Lol.

 

Such is the sorry state of affairs in the mobile segment right now

On the desktop side, AMD is hanging by a thread, and people with more money than sense keep buying nVidia's $1000 GPUs, basically telling nVidia it's OK to keep charging ridiculous prices. Don't get me started on Intel, do not want to get a brain aneurysm.

Très triste, mais c'est la vie.

 

I have changed that entire section substantially in my CPU guide. Feel free to give it a once-over.

 

Is Hwmonitor even accurate on the power usage? My understanding was that it was not accurate. In fact that program has had too many inaccuracies for my tastes over the years and that's what pushed me to HWiNFO64.

 

Good call with the 900p with the 1800p you've got on that monitor! Yeah, 970M would be awesome at 900p for a long time to come, especially if you flash an unlocked vBIOS and can go to town on the overclocking for perhaps another 30-40% performance (although temperature wise you'll probably be limited for the overclock on the Razer - the region of 1400Mhz on the core is probably out of reach).