*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Ordered Rog 752VM (1060gtx) @1899e in France.

1070 was 2500 euros so too expensive for me.

Could not resist to that 17' screen.

Should be delivered on Tuesday !!!!

 

^^^^ THIS.

It is entirely possible I am biased against the CPU because my application is bound by the CPU. Other users who don't play what I play may find that they have no problems. Now that I think of it, I run a heavily modded Skyrim install on both my laptop (4720, 980m, 1080p) and desktop ([email protected], 970, 1440p). Although the desktop does run better, the laptop still runs very good with comparable FPS. In that usage scenario (skyrim), the weaker CPU is not an issue for FPS, but for Mechwarrior online, it is. Your individual usage scenario could be completely different.

 

http://www.ceg-hardcorecustom.com/product/clevo-kapok-nvidia-pascal-geforce-gtx-1070-n17e-g2-mxm-sli
Dat prices for the MXM

 

Sell kidney and you should get 2 generation upgrades.

 

Of course I plan to oc it if I need to .. It's not that I buy it having in mind to overclock ... but if I realize that I lack cpu power I would oc.

this is the very question that is tormenting me ...
If I oc the 6820hk to, say, 4.0ghz will it stay cool inside a clevo p650rs-g?
because if not then it makes no sense buying it ..
moreover, do you think that if I oc, 200w power supply is required or can I do without it (180w)?

 

Just buy the damn 6820HK already. You obviously want someone to convince you to get it. Just do it!

It's not like things will get worse with something better. Should also make it worth more at resale.

 

ahaha no no it's not like that !! .. you're right too many question but you know .. when the time comes for me to buy something it's always the same: a thousand doubts .. I'm trying to understand if I can oc it no problem. As I said before i don't like to give money away without a valid reason

 

What do you need that CPU for. It obviously will be useless to improve frame rates

 

The 1080 can be bottlenecked by even an overclocked mobile CPU, it's already been proven on the desktop side with CPUs running 4.5Ghz.

The 1070 can even see bottling at 1080p, if you're trying to push max fps on a 120Hz screen. On a 60Hz screen you're unlikely to notice, as the 1070 will be pushing a solid 60fps anyway.

Only reason to not get a 6820HK is if you can't afford one.

 

the 6700hq is good enough for the 1070... I have a feeling that the CPU will be throttled unless you have a nice cooler it sits on. even then performance will be negligible in gaming and the only reason to get the 6820hK is overclocking, which I think you will see more of a difference in overclocking the gpu than you will the CPU in 99% of the games out there.

 

My perspective is a bit different.
If a laptop is presented to me with said *overclockable* hardware, i'd rather not touch it, because it'll simply put my unit into a risk of overheating or throttling because of massive temps. I'd rather get a CPU/GPU bottleneck than thermal throttling because of a risky overclock.

 

A clear downside to thermal throttling is that it is not very predictable and/or consistent. Once throttling starts there's no telling what speed exactly your CPU then chooses to run at and you lose control over the performance of your machine. It would drive me nuts if the machine throttles for 3 mins, goes back to full speed for 1 then throttles again..

Having said that, you may be confident about your thermal/power headroom under certain circumstances. Poorly heated home in the winter or laptop sitting at the outlet of your AC unit.. At times like these the lack of OC control would be regrettable.

 

The discussion is centered around laptops which don't have issues with temperatures.

It's 2016. The days of overclocking presenting any sort of danger have long passed.

 

Kevin proof.. where's the article on a 1080 being bottleneck ed

 

On most situations, there will be no bottleneck (gaming). Only in specific games and/or high fps.

The ones that are that "needy" (professional gaming, specific game, etc...) will know they need moar cpu powwwwer.

 

I watched a great YouTube video of i5 750 and 1080 gtx running Witcher 3 doom and GTA 5 at 1080p the frame rates were bottlenecked but still above 120 and no bottleneck at 1440p and 4k. 980ti and the 6700k won slightly in all 1080p tests but lost in everything else.. this is a freaking i5 750... Tell me again a 6700k is the bottleneck

 

If someone wants to get a 1070/1080 and not risk bottlenecking, get a P775DM3, it has a desktop CPU.

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I'm a really nice guy.. I'd say save your money

 

That's the hardest part to understand. Which you will never know till you own it. Results are very random vs 1080p vs higher resolutions. Vs lower and nighter settings depending on gpu and cpu.
I've seen gpu get close frames to better gpus on Say high settings. And only makes a major difference when it comes down to the screen resolution. And then that's when the cpu might come into play too.
But that still only matters if you want to play on 1080p vs 1440p and higher.
At the end of the day of you got the cash spare. Do it. If theorise difference wasn't much. I'd do it. The only main thing about it to me is that it sound better when you describe your rigs hardware.


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Yea the video surprised me a i5 750 is quite old

 

@HardCore88
Thermal throttling happens very quickly, the CPU dips for less than a second, then recovers - the dip/recovery is quick, you wouldn't notice it.

If you are running hot, get better ventilation, prop up the back of the laptop to get better air flow under the laptop for the intakes.

Get a nice cooler stand to push air up into the laptop - most laptops with bottom intake vents get some help from this, but some don't.

Undervolt your CPU, this is the #2 way to get things cooler. #3 is to disable High Performance and run Balanced - this lets the CPU downclock in between loads - and lets the CPU cool off in between loads.

The #1 way to keep things cool is to use an FPS limiter and set it refresh rate+1, like 61 FPS @ 60hz, or 101 FPS @ 100hz screen refresh. I use Rivatuner which comes with MSI Afterburner, or you can download it separately.

You aren't going to get benefit from FPS over refresh, so why make the laptop work hard to do 100% performance all the time if it's not needed.

Always get the best CPU available, then learn how to use / tune it for best performance.

The 6820HK is actually clocked 100 mhz higher at base settings than the 6700HQ:
http://ark.intel.com/compare/88967,88969

And, the 6820HK can OC to run at 4.0ghz stable all day long. You may need to run the fans higher

 

On the topic of CPU bottlenecks. The laptop I have previously was a GE62 with i5 6300hq and 970m. The i5 in many cases 100% a bottleneck for the 970m. This was especially noticed in games where the CPU was heavily utilized like BF4 and Battlefront. This was one of my reasons for selling the laptop as the 970m couldn't be fully utilized and it got worse utilization as I overclocked the 970m. This bottleneck could be somewhat alleviated by running games at higher settings and/or using higher render resolutions in games that supported it.

Even with this 6700HQ and 1060 I currently have I am noticing that the CPU usage can be quite high and I am worried about CPU bottlenecks even with this chip in games like BF1.

I might order a Clevo/Sager laptop with 1070 and 6820HK

 

Asus and MSI, and others, also offer the 6820HK

 

Precisely why I'm skipping Pascal Paxwell. As I said several posts ago: Ivy Bridge, Broadwell and Cannonlake are to Sandy Bridge, Haswell and Skylake respectively, what Pascal is to Maxwell. They're just die shrinks of the same architecture.

Volta is the real deal. I honestly raise my eyebrows at anyone jumping on the Pascal bandwagon.

 

I have to agree. Volta will be worth the upgrade from Maxwell Pascal definitely not. I don't see games needing this kind of power for another year and when game requirements bump up in a year Pascal and Maxwell will struggle.. Volta will remedy the situation.. so why buy a horse with a broken leg to race it

 

Some of us are jumping on because we don't have any gaming rig at all atm

 

Save $ and get a Maxwell notebook with a 960M/965M now. When Volta comes, then we can take the great leap forward.

 

Helpful info! Curious, though - what's the advantage to limiting the FPS to the refresh rate + 1, instead of limiting the FPS to the exact refresh rate?

Tempting, but I can probably just resell whatever Pascal laptop I end up buying so I can afford to make that jump to Volta, and I imagine I'll be able to recoup more costs reselling a Pascal than a Maxwell. Or possibly I'll skip Volta altogether and wait until Einstein, depending on how things look when Volta comes out. Maybe nvidia will need a bit more time to work out those kinks with the new stacked memory setup

 

That's nonsense, none of these CPU's gained a ~50% increase in clocks from one gen to the next, Cannonlake being unknown.

 

That's just Intel holding back, because it has the monopoly on CPUs (last I checked it was ~ 95% of the desktop CPU market). Look at their iGPUs, on the other hand - HD 3000 to Iris Pro.

 

My preview of the Sager NP9873 / Clevo P870DM3 is up here if anyone is interested: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sager-np9873-clevo-p870dm3-quick-review-by-htwingnut.795187/

 

iGD clocks 4700HQ 1.2GHz, 5700HQ 1.05GHz, 6700HQ 1.05GHz. The clocks are around the same, the EU's have increased.

 

That's the point, isn't it? We either have an increase in clocks, like Pascal, or an increase in EUs, like Intel iGPUs.

But then we've strayed from the point, being that Pascal, no matter how great the performance improvement over Maxwell, is little more than a die shrink of the latter, a stopgap from nVidia because of delays and low yields of HBM2.

Volta will potentially be the pinnacle of 16 nm.

 

Those of us that are still on Kepler and skipped Maxwell disagree.

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Okay lah, your point came across as no point in getting Pascal over maxwell for a ~50% increase in performance. No disagreement from me on the die shrink, clock for clock 1080 and 980 very similar in performance with much reduced power on the 1080 side. Now whether manufacturers wish to take advantage of the lower power draw to reduce cooling and power delivery to save costs at the expense of performance, well that's another matter.

 

Considering this 1080 mobile part is smoking the pants off my desktop 980 Ti, can't wait to see what 1080 Ti desktop can do. Might get 50% improvement alone with desktop over 980 Ti. Worth it to me on my 3440x1440 ultrawide display. 1060 or 1070 will be a welcome improvement over my 970m as well.

 

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Almost 2x performance, no matter how it's achieved, is noteworthy, and well worth the upgrade.

 

Who cares how they got the performance improvement??!!

The performance improvement from Maxwell to Pascal is still a much larger than normal actual FPS improvement in games, way past 2x the improvement in other generations, nothing like this % improvement has been seen for many years.

At least 2 die shrinks, not one. 28nm to 16nm is way more than one, probably more like 3 if they tracked changes by time.

Volta might be a bust, an incremental increase over Pascal, just like usual.

It also might be delayed for a couple of years, just like the last die shrinks.

Just because you don't have enough $, or a laptop in your price range with Pascal, doesn't mean you need to rain on everyone else's Happiness.

The Bluebird of Happiness is not Impressed with your Attitude.

 

It turns out, at least for my use with Rivatuner, that the FPS is limited to -1 what you set it to, so setting it to 60 results in 59 average in games.

The +1 is to correct that

YMMV, adjust as fits the game/system so that you don't get tearing limiting around the refresh rate. Some silly systems also don't give exactly 60hz, it's like 59hz - weird, right? So adjust down 1 for those systems.

 

I'll start saving for Volta and skip Pascal. I see no notebooks with 4K display at a reasonable price. Where is GDDR5X on a single GPU? Where is HBM? I'm very disappointed with mobile Pascal.

Also prices are ridiculous, this may be the end of mobile gaming for me. My next machine likely desktop with a 1070 successor, these prices are just beyond what I can justify to my family. This is nonsense.

 

What do you expect to change significantly that it it willbe the real deal?
Let me remind you that as a consumer you'll never get cards that will be a ultra-killers, or cards which will offer 10x performance compared to the previous generation. Ain't gonna happen, no matter how their marketing division tries to deceive you. Hasn't happened in the past, will not happen in the future. You'll always get something that is just a tad better than the previous generation. A performance jump of 50-100% as shown with Pascal is about the best you can get. It will not change with Volta.

 

What are you talking about?

The prices for the 1070's are the same as the 980m prices from last generation.

The prices for the 1060's are the same as the 970m prices from the last generation.

And, even the 1080 single prices are the same as the last generation single 980 desktop mobile prices.

The only pricing that has gone up, about $500, is the 1080 SLI pricing for the GT83. That's probably all due to the dual PSU and dual PSU adapter costs.

I haven't seen the GT73 1070 SLI pricing, but I am guessing the same or up slightly.

The only way out there pricing are the top end Asus models, but those are rare Unicorns, and were pricey 980m/980 models last generation.

4k screen and 1080p 120hz screens are still rolling out, so pricing and availability will be sparse.

No reason to skip Pascal, and I am assuming that by the time Volta is out, those are gonna be more expensive than Pascal.

By the time Volta finally strolls into town, you'll long for the days of the *cheap* Pascal laptops

 

I'm Maxwell and still can't wait to get me a Pascal card. IT's been one year with this laptop and I can't believe how annoying Optimus can be or the fact that I got a crash while working on photo editing/rendering. 860m was not a card for work, but for gaming.

Pricing is actually slightly shifting down right now.

And I agree with you, especially as volta is still a long way to go, we have no idea what to expect either, we should all be happy with Pascal and enjoy it!

 

He's just massively bum hurt that Clevo didn't refresh the P640...

Honestly, he should put up and buy the GS43 which is "too expensive" for him or just shut up!

No need to rain on everyone else's parade!!

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You're not entirely wrong...

But still, no one can deny that Pascal is a die shrink over Maxwell. Whatever the performance improvement, the situation wasn't to be what it is now. Maxwell was to be 16 nm, Pascal was to have HBM2. We're literally a year and a half behind schedule.

As for being a wet blanket, I did say this a while ago:

And yes, the GS43 is nearly S$3000 here. I may as well get a P870DM for that sort of cash.

 

I'm struggling to see what's so expensive about, say, the Asus 15" Strix at $1400 with a 1060? It appears, if you want to equate it to last years models and carry over the nomenclature:
1060 = 1070M equivalent upgrade over last year's 970M
1070 = 1080M equivalent upgrade over last year's 980M
1080 = 1080 Notebook equivalent upgrade over last year's 980 Notebook.

With that in mind, $1400 for a 1060 (upgade from last year's 970M) doesn't sound crazy at all. I'm also looking at the 1060 MSI Stealth models and the pricing for those looks about the same as last gen 970M models. I would imagine when Razer releases their 1060 it will be price equivalent to the 970M previous gen (perhaps the first launch not the second one where they dropped a couple-few hundred)

It's ESPECIALLY exciting to me since I stuck with my 870M for a while. I'm expecting approximaltely double perf jump for equivalent settings in games out of a 1060 thin and light based on what I see in notebookcheck.net scores. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comput...eselect[]=214&gameselect[]=204&gpu_fullname=1 That's nothing to sneeze at. I'm going to wait for all the vendors to release their HiDPI versions before I decide though, so I have a month or two to see some reviews.

 

Do you have any info about display frequency on Clevo P650RP6-G?

 

Tell that to my dying 2011 laptop with the Intel HD3000, striving for an upgrade.

 

Everybody who will get gs73VR thumbs up this i want to hype up myself


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Skip Fermi for Kepler, skip Kepler for Maxwell, skip Maxwell for Pascal, skip Pascal for Volta, skip Volta for Einstein.
It never ends.