*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Been choosing between a clove 1070 unit vs a msi GS series.

Finally decided to go ahead and get a GS63VR.
The temp does look concerning but I don't do any triple A title gaming much anymore other than overwatch.

The GPU should last two three years for 1440P with some details tuned down with the newer ones.

If eGPU still doesn't pick off, I am just going to get a desktop next and grab a ultrabook for my travel choice.

 

Maybe hold off on the MSI purchasing joy for now.

MSI seems to think they can go back on their promise to provide 2 generations of GPU upgrades to GT72 and GT80 laptop owners.

Lets wait to make sure we can continue to trust MSI's business ethics moving forward; we need to stop giving them $ and let them figure this out quickly.

[Official] Questions for the MSI Rep!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...for-the-msi-rep.761676/page-142#post-10319612
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...for-the-msi-rep.761676/page-142#post-10319380
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...for-the-msi-rep.761676/page-142#post-10319369

Pascal MXM GPU Upgrades
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/pascal-mxm-gpu-upgrades.795169/page-3#post-10321655

 

Wish I could, but my clevo is half dead right now after 3 and a half years of use. Lost a few screws while I was trying to fix the gpu not detectable issue. Need a laptop asap
now everything is going wrong, cpu running over 60s idle and using intel gpu.

 

It shouldn't take more than a few days for MSI to come through, the gears should be in motion already.

I have faith in MSI doing the right thing, let's give them the chance

 

When you use the iGPU it heats up the CPU cores about 10c under load, remember they are sharing the same power draw and die for thermal dissipation.

Try disabling the Intel GPU, run dGPU only, and that should bring down the CPU temps at idle and load.

 

the dGPU is having this "Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)" issue.
Been uninstall + reinstalling, updating driver etc. None of them worked.
I am actually impressed at how long this machine lasted.

 

Sorry to hear that

Have you considered another Clevo?

 

I actually made a Clevo configuration with the 1070 with roughly the same cost.

but then my needs have changed. Everyday I only get around 3 hours gaming most since I get home from work around 6pm.
I dont play much triple A graphic demanding titles as well. Nowadays I mostly only play overwatch and starcraft 2.
And I picked up photography, a slim light weight 1060 machine with HDD is the better option for me now.

That being said, Auros laptop does look good, I am just extremely concerned about the temps, at least I know what to expect in the MSI since there are some reviews out.
and the MSI has TB3, so they probably can support egpu if it does become a thing in future

 

Aorus 1070 in the 15" X5 /1080 in the 17" X7 looks promising. As long as it stays cool while gaming for long periods.
http://www.aorus.com/Product/Features/X5 v6
http://www.aorus.com/Product/Features/X7 DT v6
http://www.aorus.com/Product/Type/L/List

Asus has a couple of mid-range 1070 15"/17" laptops coming out too, as well as the G752 series - a bit expensive, but great cooling.

Please let us know what you end up getting, and how you like it

 

I don't know if this is the right thread to ask this, but is there any 14' Pascal laptop beeing sold in Europe?

 

Do we have any information about the gtx 1050 mobile? I'm primarily interested in whether it will be a true pascal card or just a maxwell refresh. Nvidia really pissed me off with what they did with the 960m... It's just a rebranded 860m with higher clock speed. I'm most interested in the XPS15 which will likely be getting the GTX 1050. Hopefully it'll come under $2000 for a decent i7/256gb ssd configuration

 

MSI GS43

 

Thanks to @wickette who spotted this:

Update: English site version posted:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-GL502VS-Notebook-Preview.171567.0.html

Test Asus ROG Strix GL502VS Notebook
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Asus-ROG-Strix-GL502VS-Notebook.171191.0.html

Used Chrome built-in translation:

" Let the games begin. Asus sent us one of the first 15-inch model with the speedy Pascal graphics card Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 into the house. "

 

Could you please send me a link? I've already searched, and couldn't find any...

 

Also noticed, w/o a 980M successor, can't upgrade my laptop. I need at minimum a P775DM model to upgrade to the 1070.

We need AMD to come back and give NVidia some competition.

 

I'm a bit conflicted by the conclusion.

From the results it seems to be around 39dB noise during typical gaming, which is good for a gaming laptop. It hits 51dB (which is terrible) ony under stresstest, and still it gets a negative for being very loud under load.

 

which country? I found it in BE,FR, NL and UK at least

anyway
ldlc.fr,ldlc.be
http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00213809.html
https://www.alternate.nl/html/theme...9&tk=13619&s2m_channel=434&utm_source=altacti
amazon.co.uk

 

It's amazing a 15" laptop can run a 1070 without melting down, and I would give it a pass for being loud under maximum stress.

If it's loud under any circumstance, I want to know so I am not surprised by the sound level if I bought it myself.

Besides, if they handn't said it was loud, I wouldn't have trusted their review

 

Its more likely that the XPS 15 and the Inspiron 15 7000 will both get the 1060 since it should have similar (~80W) TDP to the 960 (~75W).

 

I live in Portugal, so any one of those are good for me....as so, please send me the cheapest

 

they are not cheap... I edit previous post with some links. Keyboard are specific by "country". Dono what kind you have in Portugal

 

That is really wishful thinking and I REALLY want that to be true. However, the 1060 is the successor to the 970m. Regardless of TDP, I have a feeling they're not gonna stuff the 1060 as the price would likely skyrocket. Even with a GTX 1050 I'm likely going to be purchasing. It's arguably the best looking laptop on the market with excellent battery life. The thin bezels put every other laptop to shame; 15" screen in a 14" chassis is the ideal student laptop

 

The cheapest one I've seen so far was in Poland (~ 1,555 EUR):

http://www.skapiec.pl/site/cat/17/comp/19431456

Here are more shops elsewhere in EU (comparison shopping, starting at 1,799 EUR):

http://geizhals.de/?fs=gs43vr

 

XPS 15 is Definitely is the best in the lightweights and has a brilliant touchpad. lets see what dell does with the GPU.

 

notebookcheck.net is the english version of the site:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-GL502VS-Notebook-Preview.171567.0.html

I've always wondered how to read their noise measurements. 39db duing typical gaming, what game is that and how did you come to that conclusion, that it's the min db for load? I can make zero sense of their db graphs, especially the little red and pink lines everywhere. I wish they would break it out so you could actually read exactly what it all means in detail.

This one quote from the review sticks out for me though:

I'm no stranger to it, my Razer Blade 2014 can get loud during heavy games. But I'm hoping we can see some small incremental improvement over time if companies are throwing R&D resources at the issue. Perhaps not, though.

 

This is the preview not the final test . The english version of notebookcheck will upload it in the following days certainly.


About the noise it's simple, this is how it is : slim(-ish) laptops have fans with smaller diameters : so they need to turn faster and the space between each fins of the heatsink is smaller than usual this increases noise (more air friction).

You trade in portability, nice design for high sound and higher temps .

 

I'm still waiting for the review of the p650rs. Can't make up my mind for the best 15.6 inch gaming laptop

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I have read that the MSI GS series has screen with the model number "lgd04d4" LG UD1 wich is a fake 4K "PenTile" display, it's closer to qHD + resolution, This applies MSI equipped with 4K. And the newer version UD2 with true 4K is only or will be available at Dell / Alienware Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I understand the physics and size, that's simple to generalize. I'm hoping for improvement like fan blade design and heat sink and pipe design.

Let's see how MSI's new stuff in the stealth performs.

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I think you meant lower +1 for your undervolting comment, it's amazing how few people do this (and that the manufacturers haven't figured out a way to do this systematically) because you win more battery life, reduce heat, and if you are in a situation where you are being throttled already it can actually increase your performance.

Yup, there is no way the XPS15, in it's current form, would take a 1060. The TDP of the 960M is 65W, and the XPS15 already cannot handle full CPU and GPU load without throttling (which is fine because you will not max both in anything other than simultaneous synthetic stress tests).

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To the people saying Pascal is a disappointment, I will bet any amount of money you want that Volta will not give you the same performance improvement if it stays on 16nm as Pascal did over Maxwell (perf/watt). Yes, Pascal is not a revolutionary design or anything like that by any means, but "just" shrinking Maxwell is amazing for us end users, and enables the kind of gains that we haven't seen for a while.

On a completely different note, is anyone aware of any kind of list or similar of notebooks that allow the user to toggle Optimus on/off?

 

Yup, it's really the #1 thing, but I couldn't have 2 #1's, and putting the FPS limiter as the #0 thing just didn't look right

No, I meant higher, running the fans higher than stock to keep things cool while gaming. Even with the 3 tricks to reduce heat, long gaming sessions will store a lot of heat in the laptop, running the fans faster gives the laptop a better chance of remaining stable.

Not easy on some laptops, you either get the standard fan curve, or a switch in hardware or software to flip on 100% fan's, which is too loud - but if it's the only choice, flip on 100% fan's, wear headphones, and chase the cat out of the room

 

yes it's simple. Personnally I'd also like to see new improvements in this area : 'scimitar' blades who have a better airflow, and that vapor cooling system we can see in the surface pro 4...it would be good to have a hybrid cooling system maybe with both a passive vapor cooling system + active fan cooling .

 

Sorry I tried to quote a lot of stuff that I missed and I think it could have come across unclearly - the "lower" comment was me correcting you on "The 6700HQ is actually clocked 100 mhz higher at base settings than the 6820HK" - it's the 6820HK that is clocked higher AFAIK.

 

We really should make a thread for this, calling out Optimus laptops so people can avoid getting stuck with one.

There is a better solution, a hardware matrix switch that gives you the ability to switch the internal display from iGPU to dGPU, so on battery you can run the iGPU to save power.

The external displays are always connected to the dGPU, you only switch the internal display.

If you have Optimus, you can't disable it.

The iGPU is hardwired to the internal display, all the dGPU requests go through the iGPU path to the internal display, which is what cuts out all the nice features like G-sync, VR, DSR, higher than 60hz refresh, Linux, etc etc.

The only way to avoid Optimus is to not buy an Optimus laptop.

"Friends don't let friends buy Optimus laptops"

 

All the websites I have seen claim 75W as the TDP for the 960m and not 65W.

 

Ah, thanks for catching that, fixed it

 

I'm gonna have mine delivered sometime this week (probably wednesday/thursday), so i'm gonna make a quick review. btw, gaming FPS tests for mobile 1060 on notebookcheck.net are taken on Schenker XMG p507, which seems to be Clevo P650 or P651 (anybody knows the difference betweeen these two models?).

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...060-Laptop-Benchmarks-and-Specs.169547.0.html

 

Great! Please let me know. Did you order it with a 1060 or 1070?

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So is the best price per performance slot still held by the 1070 or does it move to the 1060?

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NotebookCheck should have their review of Schenker XMG p507 / Clevo P651 up sometime next week (around August 25th):

http://www.notebookchat.com/index.php?topic=59966.msg275487#msg275487

The difference between P650 and P651 should be just cosmetic (before it used to be brushed vs sanded metal + a bit different look of the vent grills details, but now on Clevo site both chassis seem sanded):

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=935&lang=en (P650RS)
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=936&lang=en (P651RS)

 

Great, can't wait for a review its one of the laptops I'm looking at.
Hopefully it has a decently bright screen and low fan noise.

 

I ordered 1060, but i just found 10% cheaper offer in another store (1360 usd for 8gb RAM and no storage). I'm gonna cancel my current order and make a new one, so i'm not sure when i'm actually gonna get the laptop delivered

 

I pulled the trigger on a GS73VR, but apparently Newegg doesn't accept international cards, now I have to wait until tuesday to get my refund and order from Amazon, then wait like 10 days for it to be delivered to me to Costa Rica.

If anyone finds a review of this laptop, PLEASE, link it. I can't find anything.

 

For notebooks, it seems surprisingly the best price / performance you actually get with GTX 1080 (when taking into the account the full price of notebook).

Putting together NotebookCheck average game performance (30 games) with prices of a notebook which can get any GPU from GTX 1060 / 1070 / 1080 (Clevo P775 from PC Specialist):

GTX 1060: 46.3 points starting at 1,572 EUR => 0.0295 points / EUR or 33.95 EUR / point
GTX 1070: 61.6 points starting at 1,894 EUR => 0.0325 points / EUR or 30.75 EUR / point
GTX 1080: 80.0 points starting at 2,141 EUR => 0.0374 points / EUR or 26.76 EUR / point

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/octaneIII-17/
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia...-1080-SLI-GTX-1070-and-GTX-1060.171566.0.html

 

Yeah I think a thread like that would be a good idea if nothing exists thus far.

I do want to add, however, that from what I understand there are laptops that offer you the option of switching Optimus on/off. In some Alienware models this could be done through software, in other cases I've seen people talk about a BIOS setting to turn it off/on (sometimes with a 3rd party BIOS). I also understand that in some cases a mux has been used to enable the switch. From what I've seen, finding these answers is really not easy...

 

Since Optimus is a software level thing, and the switching of the connections from the display between iGPU and dGPU require hardware switching, you need to have the hardware switch to turn Optimus "On/Off".

The "Optimus On/Off" BIOS option is a MUX switch. When the iGPU is switched out and the Intel GPU is disabled Optimus doesn't activate.

Some implement it in the BIOS only, some provide access through Windows. So you can enable the switch through a Windows App + a physical Function switch.

Most of the time these days, the switch negates Optimus completely. Either you have iGPU (on battery, typically the only place you want it), or you have dGPU, and never the twain shall meet via Optimus.

 

I've seen numbers from 60W to 75W, I also have some non-public info that I don't think I can share, but in short I also found it really difficult to find a definitive answer just by searching the net. What I settled on is that:
a) there might be a possibility that the manufacturer can select different TDPs
b) I believe add-in boards i.e. MXM use a bit more power than the soldered variety
c) last but not least the GDDR memory uses power too, so sometimes the power is quoted with and other times without the memory, and to complicate things further there is the 2GB and 4GB 960M.

With all of the above, given that the XPS has the chip soldered and with 2GB, I am strongly inclined to believe it is 60 or 65W.

Some examples of the not-75W sources (I know there are plenty that list 75W too, I'm not gonna argue with you there):
http://laptopmedia.com/reviews/nvid...80m-benchmarks-gaming-tests-comparison-specs/
http://steatite-embedded.co.uk/prod...aphics-module-with-2gb-gddr5-on-board-memory/

To top it all off, as we have discussed here, the smaller footprint of the Pascal chips means there is higher thermal density which provides additional cooling challenges even with the same TDP. For all these reasons, an XPS15 with a 1060 is unfortunately extremely unlikely. If it were coming, I'd be waiting for it with you

 

Sorry if I'm out of the loop, but why are you guys looking for laptops with no Optimus? As far as I knew, optimus just toggles between dGPU and iGPU on a per-application basis (which is ajustable) and also uses the dGPU when at the desktop and thus pro-longing battery life

 

It uses the iGPU for output which creates some compromises. Whether it's beneficial is up to the individual. For instance i could care less, but others would rather use the dGPU directly.

For instance gsync isn't possible.

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So if, for example, you're hooking up your laptop via HDMI to an external monitor it'll use the iGPU exclusively? That'd be really silly... I know on my Gigabyte laptop (860m with optimus) I used the HDMI frequently and it used the dGPU