*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Concerning your question, I thought there was a way through Nvidia control panel to entirely force all the programs to use the iGPU on battery. Am I wrong?

 

I am thinking of throwing around $3000 Canadian at a new system (my current is a sager from 2011 with a non-functioning 6990m), and was hoping for some input from those in the know.
What are the odds of being able to pick up a 17" notebook with a GTX 1080 for around that price point? Im happy to wait for fall sales if there is a chance that will make it doable.
Any GTX 1080 capable systems that offer g-sync >60Hz 1440p screens? (4k seems like overkill; Im not sitting 12 inches from the screen or whatever it takes to make it worthwhile)
What are the odds Volta comes out early next year, and I end up kicking myself for being too eager?

Ive been following this thread, and the Pascal thread before it closely. Looking forward to hearing what you guys think.

 

I'm not sure about the 1440p screens but this one becomes available in early September for $2799.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154325

 

I'm pretty sure I have a bum unit. I even put the laptop on a cooling pad and it has not helped at all. NMS still stayed at 91c and even after dropping settings to medium, stayed at 91c. So no matter the conditions my temps are staying at 91c.

 

I sent xoticpc an email asking about the ASUS G752VS-XB72K and which 1080p screen it comes with the 60 Hz or 120 Hz. Because it lists it as having gsync so I wanted to know for sure which screen it was. And they got back to me with an, I don't know, have you tried asking asus?

I'm really hoping for a 1080p 120 Hz gsync screen with a gtx 1070 to pop up, preferably 15.6" screen.

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Is the Clevo P775DM3 8.6lbs or 9.5lbs (4.3 kg converted to lbs accurately) ? If it is 4.3 kg, xoticpc (and possibly other boutique builders) have to update their listing.

Also, what is the accurate weight of the GT73VR Titan Pro?

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Sounds like the heatsink isn't making proper contact with the GPU die. If you put your hand in front of the exhaust does it feel as hot as it should?

 

Dude! First Thing after getting a new unit is repasting CPU + GPU! Factory-pasting is crap! Spend a few bucks for IC Diamond and 30 minutes of your time and you will have a difference like night and day! Fingers crossed that you didn't receive a lemon unit with crappy heatsink contact.

Btw, appreciate your impressions shared here @ NBR!

 

MSI and ASUS don't give a F about consumers, open it and BOOM goes warranty* into toilet

*Unless purchased from a reseller - Gentech etc...

 

Are you sure this is true for MSI? I've heard from a few people that MSI doesn't mind owners opening their laptops to clean or make upgrades, despite what the warranty sticker on the bottom suggests.

 

I also have a gl502vs and i have temps between 60-80c on fire strike but I have a lower score than I should have and the gpu load isn't stable throughout the benchmark
I haven't tried afterburner yet but i don't remember having temps higher than 85c like you have

Edit : Temps graph for fire strike (same i posted some days ago) It's mostly between 60-70c but it does reach 80 (gpu is blue, cpu is turquoise)

 

FS standard 80-85C is toooo high.

No confirmation from MSI users but from Gentech's GT73VR review, highlights "You can order from us and and have upgrades without voiding warranty"

 

Dunno about the warranty Terms of MSI & Co. AFAIK going through a reseller doesn't void it when opening for repasting.

But hey! It's like choosing between a full poo poo diaper and bad smelling cheese. Either you don't open your rig and your components go "boom" for sure, or you void your warranty, do a proper repaste and expand the longevity of CPU + GPU!

 

Anyone know the temperatures of the Gigabytes? They are relatively thin and light, I'd like to see how they handle the 1070.

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Overheating and high temps are a well known issue for the GL502, even before the Pascal refresh. The thin chasis and the placement of the outlet vents (seriously it's slightly blocked by the LCD lid aka macbook pro style) are not gonna help.....

it just seems at this point Pascals (except for 1060) are not meant for thin chasis

wondering how the others (eg: MSI, Gigabytes) will fare

 

According to notebook check the Msi gt62vr does thermal throttle after an hour on full load (gpu not CPU). It has a 1070 also.

 

Actually it's not cause of the lid. I have tried it on an external monitor with the lid closed and got same temps. GPU temps are fine anyway (under 76°C, usually 70-72). Only the i7 6700HQ can be a problem with temps up to 86°C, but undervolting brings it under 79-80°.

 

Well folks, I rang up Newegg and had them issue me a refund on my Asus GL502vs I really did like that laptop. It had a nice look, and a nice sturdy feel to it. The screen did not wobble nor did it feel cheap, but going straight to 91c when even at a game like SWTOR was just unacceptable to me. No matter if it was an MMO, No Mans Sky, or Witcher 3 it went to 91c. Others reported they get in the high 70s or mid 80s. I could accept that but not 91c when just starting the game. Imagine what it would have done an hour into a gaming session. *poof* I would have gotten a replacement if they had any in stock, tbh but after this entire mess with Newegg it is best I be done with them. BUT they did come through with ease when it counted, and that was to get my money back and go through a different vendor and possibly a different make/model/manufacturer.

Sorry I couldn't be more of a help. I was looking forward to taking benchmark request and posting youtube videos....lol. I've never done that. Honestly I knew something was seriously wrong when I tried playing a video on IGN and it just stuttered and froze. Even my old Asus G75 with a 660m and a less powerful i7 could run 2 games and watch a youtube video. That thing was a tank.

 

The GT62 is the high end laptop with the thick chasis ain't it? That was a surprise, I was expecting it to fare well when it comes to thermals. If even a thick chasis suffers thermal throttle I can;t imagine the GS and GE series...

 

Try using a stand or something to raise the back of your laptop, it helps to create some breathing space for the input vents at the bottom. Or better yet use a good laptop cooler

 

That does seem a bit odd when others are getting 10 degrees cooler, I get not wanting to open it but taking a look to see if somethings odd, like packing material blocking a vent or something could prevent you form having to go through the return process. Now you get to do shopping at least.

 

I sent my Stealth Pro back to MSI in California and the sticker was not an issue; according to MSI, this is only for the United States service centers; my warranty was just fine even though I've opened the machine.

Technically, I believe those stickers are actually illegal (via some arcane law).

(I had nothing but good experiences with the MSI service center, BTW)

Here's some good reading:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/warranty-void-if-removed-stickers-are-illegal

 

Get it from Gentech, they have it for 1699 and pay a bit to get it repasted..

Also this warranty sticker thing is illegal, saw a post about this, there are 2 laws that block this..

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Good advice. I will most likely be getting this laptop again. But even now I experience lag when typing....lol. Here are some screens to show you what I'm talking about. Sadly SWTOR is undergoing it's weekly maintenance so I could not get any screens. Witcher 3 did not carry over my save when I installed GoG.....go figure. So I just took a few from the starting area. The game froze many times when trying to take a screen and sometimes it took a screen from an earlier position. Very odd. Btw, after I did a Windows 10 update Gsync started working, and it works well.

http://imgur.com/a/DPMJP

 

I had a situation where some protective taped was left over the microphone om my GT70, I spent hours with drivers to figure out what was wrong I was about to return when I read somewhere that this could be an issue. I hope you find an easy fix.

I just restated Witcher 3 yesterday and yennefer in panties never get old.

 

The GT62 fares awesome in terms of temps. Someone is wrong. My GT62 with a 1060 overclocked +200mhz on the core is in the 50s and 60s under gaming load. With a 1070 I highly doubt it will be much above that. But seeing as I am getting the 1070 version as soon as it's released I'll let you know.

 

Maybe the people of notebookcheck messed up their review unit Idk...

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Or maybe MSI have a very low temp limit before throttle kicks in

but I'm inclined to believe something is wrong with notebookcheck's unit.

60s under gaming load is perfectly fine

 

Go watch Gentechs video of the 1070 GT62. Excellent temps.

 

Where did you read/see that, try to find the URL and post it here.

Normally you set the Nvidia 3D options Globally, or for each program. The Global setting doesn't always work, so you need to set the program setting too, which also doesn't always work, which is why Optimus is so beloved

 

I saw your Timespy benchmark at +150mhz. What sort of benchmarks have you gotten at +200mhz?

 

Out of curiosity, any downside to having a 4k screen and setting it to 1440p for gaming? If the options for native notebook 1440p screens are limited (or essentially non-existent), that might be the way I'll have to go.

Do 4k screens tend to take a hit for response time, Hz, etc?

 

Guys, XOTIC PC replied to my email, this is their answer:

I'm guessing there is indeed a MUX switch. Everything points to that.

EDIT: Derp, didn't read correctly. I do not know what to think now.

 

I'm glad to hear about the noise (but also wondering if that has something to do with the high temps), remember you can cross-check what you're seeing with notebookcheck's preview:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-GL502VS-Notebook-Preview.171567.0.html

Seems they also hit 91/92 on the CPU. If I were you, I would have seen if something like Fire Strike gives roughly the same score as on notebookcheck, if yours is somehow doing a worse job at cooling you should see more throttling and thus a lower score. However, from what I understand you returned it, which is fair enough!

 

For the ones who are waiting for the GTX 1050, there is something bothering:

It seems that Nvidia only uses a maximum amount of shadercores per graphic cluster (GPC), which is 640 cores per cluster (saw this someone mentioning on reddit).

GP102 => 6 Clusters, which means it allows a maximum of 6x640 shadercores = 3840
GP104 => 4 Clusters = 2560
GP106 => 2 Clusters = 1280
GP107 => 1 Cluster = 640

So if you assume that the mobile 1050 GTX only gets the GP107, it will only have 1 cluster? 1 sad cluster? Same amount of shadercores like the 960m? Not sure if this is good. Really not sure. I expected at least 128 additional cores, after every other chip received additional ones. But this would require at least a GP106 for the 1050 GTX. Not sure this is coming. And by that, the expected performance would hardly be much better than that of the GTX 950 (desktop).

Just saying... it's kinda disturbing on what to expect now...

 

Yeah man. I compared my GPU score to everyone else's and mainly the netbookreview. My CPU did just fine. But my GPU was a mini sun.

 

GTX 970m had 1,280 cores. Its successor is GTX 1060 with also just 1,280 cores but much higher performance anyways (+65%).

If there is a similar speed up for GTX 960M successor, it would place it somewhere between GTX 965M and GTX 970M. That wouldn't be too bad for GPU which can be put into something like Dell XPS 15 or Asus Zenbook.

Keep in mind there should still come also successor of GTX 965M (maybe called GTX 1050 Ti?).

Also there is still pretty large gap between GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 (~1.5x GTX 1060), so something like GTX 1060 Ti could pop up (at ~1.2-1.3x GTX 1060).

 

Yup, I'm also still trying to figure out new GS series from MSI.

On MSI website they don't mention Optimus anymore, but then in their PDF manuals Optimus is listed as supported.

Then today this post appeared on Nvidia GeForce forum:

This diagonal tearing bug is specific to Optimus, so seems like Optimus is still there after all in GS VR models. The question remains if it can be turned off.

MSI put heavy weight in their marketing campaign on being "VR-Ready" (they even renamed models with VR suffix). So there must be some non-Optimus way.

It would be sad if that meant only that HDMI is now connected to dGPU, but internal display is still in iGPU hell.

 

That's most likely it, their HDMI/DP/thunderbolt port is directly to their dGPU which would make them VR capable. As far as I know, only GT series, and specifically new GT72, 62, 80, 83 etc, are free of optimus. Previous GT, GS, GE etc etc had all optimus for the internal display.

 

After reading the MSI GT62VR review it seems like it is the way to go.

 

Someone mentioned that the new GT72VR no longer has the mux switch, and is Optimus... better double check.

I think all the new models below GT73VR/GT83VR are suspect for Optimus - know for sure before you buy.

 

True, while panicking I forgot the performance jump happening, even with the same amount of cores. Good example. Thanks. So the jump for the 1050 gtx will come, even if it has only 640 cores. And yea, I also assume there will come a successor of the 965m. The gaps between the cards cry for it... almost confirms a 2nd round of Pascal in the future.

 

I'm sooo glad that besides me. Your the only that thinks a 1060 Ti will happen. I've said exactly the same thing. The gap between the 1060 and 1070 is way too large just like the 960m and 970m. But the 965m showed up. Only the difference was a 3000 point fire strike gap to now a 6000 point fire strike gap. So I believe the same logic of an I between card.


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What is so frightening about optimus? I keep hearing about it but I don't know anything about it.

 

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There are a few in this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sea...=relevance&c[user][0]=130744&c[thread]=794965

 

There won't be a 1060 Ti.

 

Rumored 1050 Ti might still happen though, but it may have been what ended up being the 1060 3GB.

 

Although the 965M showed up, its sales were abysmal. From a product perspective, I agree with you, there's a big gap there. However, since the 965M didn't sell, I'm forced to think that customers are not linearly spread out in terms of performance demands and/or available budget, so there just isn't the demand to justify its existence.

 

Display need to be connected directly to the dGPU (no Optimus) in order to have GSync, DSR, Fast Sync and probably a few more features

and there's latency issues with Optimus since all rendering that is done on the dGPU need to pass through the iGPU before showing up on the screen, a big no no for VR

 

You think that would help? I'm considering opening it up and changing the paste. I'm not sure if it will void anything but if I can even get it in low 80s under load then I'm good.