*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

I saw that laptop in the store today, I was in shock how Asus got permission to sell this as the heat that goes out from the rear is blocked by the screen itself, when I felt the screen it was super hot, Just feel sorry for those who buy this laptop but have to admit it's super sexy and thin but not sustainability.

 

Everyone seems to love it. I'm the only one that's had an issue that I've heard of so far.

 

Well give them 6-8 month and ask them again how their laptop performs Go get urself MSI GT or Asus G752VS or why not Acer predator when its available.

 

Optimus, Optimus, Optimus, is kicking their butts. Won't let them use the dGPU.

Never buy an Optimus laptop.

Like I said, I think all the MSI's under Gx73/GT83 have lost the mux switch if they had it and are all Optimus now.

@Beasthunt watch out with that GT72, that's the model series that used to have the Mux switch - set up as a dedicated GPU button next to the keyboard - in the new model that switch is now a Display switch (don't know what it does), so the new GT72 is rumored to be OPTIMUS.

Beware.

If you end up keeping your losing streak of bad choices (nice story btw), please let us know if the GT72 has Optimus or still has the Mux switch

 

Im buying clevo i think and it has both optimus and G-sync will i have issue too?

 

If a laptop has Optimus, you get all the bad with just a tad of good - battery life.

Better is a laptop with a Mux switch - either a Physical GPU switch on the laptop, a BIOS option, or an Application that gives you a choice to swap between iGPU and dGPU - which requires a reboot after the choice to boot under the chosen GPU.

The mux switch lets you switch to use only the iGPU when you want to run on battery. When you are on AC you can run the dGPU exclusively and the iGPU sits unpowered doing nothing - which is good because it's not generating heat or drawing power the CPU needs.

In that video Optimus is forcing their application to use the iGPU and won't let them use the dGPU. That is doubly heating up the CPU - note the loud fan, and reducing the CPU power by drawing maximum power for the iGPU to process their video.

They may find a trick or work around for their application to use the dGPU, but even so - all the video output is going through the iGPU all the time, heating up the CPU and drawing power from it, reducing CPU performance. This hassle just to get your apps to use the dGPU is all part of the joy of Optimus.

The product sites and vendor seller sites have been posting incorrect info about new laptop details, so it's best to find someone with that specific model - or a review article or video that tells you whats what.

To be sure a 1st hand report is best.

IDK what Clevo model you are looking at, but check out the NBR Clevo forums for threads about that model series, and read / search there, then ask if you find nothing.

Good luck

 

Predator maybe OK. Any laptop heavier than 3.5 kg is too much for me.

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I guess om good with optimus ? http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p670rs-g-questions.794970/

 

Yup, new Clevos P650/P670 with Pascal GPUs should be ok (bigger models P750/P755 are even safer, no Optimus there at all).

You should be able to just turn off Optimus in BIOS and forget it even exists (that's how I use my Thinkpad, I chose dGPU-only in BIOS right after I bought it and never looked back ).

 

Thx i will be getting the P670RS-G so im okey

 

Yup, you'll be fine. Good choice, nice machine

https://www.mysn.de/xmg-pro-gaming-notebooks/xmg-p707

 

If you look behind the dude that's talking at 23 seconds in you'll see where the fan noise is coming from.

 

GT62VR does not have Optimus. Internal display connected to dGPU, has Gsync and I overclocked the display slightly to 63hz.

The mini display port is also connected directly to the dGPU and was powering my 144hz 1440p g-sync display perfectly.

There is also no MUX so if you're looking for a laptop with battery life keeping liking. This thing is horrible on battery life but I didn't buy it for that. It's always connected to the wall and is my traveling desktop replacement.

I'll upload a video later showering temps and just how cool it runs.

 

It doesn't look like solid enough information for me to put out $XXXX's. I would want to hear from an owner, not a dealer trying to sell laptops, no offense intended - they just repeat what they hear - so unless they have had hands on themselves it's third or fourth party information.

Find a video review showing the details of GPU setting, or a review article that looks solid.

From their questions and quotes in that thread, it sounds like you either choose dGPU or iGPU+Optimus in the BIOS.

IDK what he means by "there's no switching", that worries me - does he mean that the iGPU is still connected to the internal display, or does he mean you can't switch on the fly while in Windows.

And, then they talk about: "Custom resolution has been added by Intel to their HD graphics test driver. Beta eta is 26th of August (following the situation on Intel forum)"

Which doesn't sound promising, as they are talking about doing the resolution setting using the iGPU, which apparently isn't even working as needed - for the 1080 120hz screen??

I wouldn't be in a rush to buy just yet

He's talking about a Clevo, not a Thinkpad

You need to be sure of the operation of a new laptop before ordering, or you don't know what you are buying.

 

haha i didnt notice that lol

 

That's the other choice, dedicated dGPU. At least in that case you don't need to deal with Optimus.

Unfortunately you also don't get long battery life, if you are stuck on the dGPU even on battery, thats going to halve your potential battery run time.

Again, a Mux switch is the best trade-off. You get the dedicated dGPU on AC, but can extend the battery life by switching to the iGPU on battery.

With Optimus you get less battery life than if you had a Mux switch to change GPU's. Optimus on battery still has the dGPU online drawing power, and you could switch to it.

It's complicated, but simple when you get all the possible combinations in your head. Then it's clear that Optimus sucks no matter how you slice it, and a Mux switch is optimal.

But, if you like the laptop, and don't need a lot of battery life, a dedicated dGPU option is cool

 

That quiet oscillating fan behind him isn't making the high pitched compressed air fan noise - that's coming from the laptop. The distortion in the audio is from the fan behind him.

 

Agreed a MUX would be ideal in almost every situation. If I needed battery life I would need to keep looking. Seeing as battery life isn't important to ME, the laptop strikes a good balance between power, size and cooling capability. Gsync is great and makes the display feel more responsive and faster but I do wish it had at least a 75hz display.

Does anyone know if these 120hz and 75hz displays are standard screens or do they require additional hardware/cables to work. Maybe in the future I can get a higher refresh screen when available.

 

We all know that oscillating fan cooling laptops won't come until Volta.

 

You can try a custom resolution in the Nvidia control panel. Try going up 5hz at a time until it's unstable then drop down to the last stable number.

My MSI GT80 does 100hz stable, then setting the Rivatuner FPS limit to 101hz, I get stable video with no tearing. Most of my games run over 100 fps (SLI), but the ones that don't I do a Custom resolution at their average FPS and set the Rivatuner FPS limiter to refresh+1.

Glad it works out for you, and I am happy you don't need to deal with Optimus

 

Prudence is very valuable, after all OEMs and sellers tend to make a mess often on finer points of tech details , but by now info on new Clevos is very solid.

Source 1: Prema
Source 2: Schenker (reseller, but reliable, they usually go out of their way in providing tech details)
Source 3: Official Clevo specs on their site
Source 4: logic - G-Sync on internal screen works only if dGPU can have direct connection to internal screen (hence Optimus must be switchable)

Each single one of these would be good (and more solid than anything MSI managed to put out about their new lineup).

BTW Thinkpad comment was just an illustration about how with a proper HW design you can just not care about Optimus, even if technically your notebook still supports it (as in "having Optimus support" is not showstopper if you can turn it off).

 

I'd still wait for 1st party confirmation I can see; that's how much I don't want to get stuck with Optimus.

 

Just an aside, most of the questions recently could be better answered as posted in the maker specific threads on NBR.

@aqnb
I read the Clevo threads, and knew about Prema's posting, but I am not going to be the 4th party regurgitator of information I am not certain about from first hand information - especially to someone gambling $XXXX's on my answer.

It's best if you have Clevo specific questions about configuration and new model details, go to those Clevo model specific threads as the primary point of best info here at NBR

Sager and Clevo
http://forum.notebookreview.com/forums/sager-and-clevo.1017/

I see @Kemsson posted there:

Clevo P670RS-G questions
Discussion in ' Sager and Clevo' started by Milardo, Aug 16, 2016.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p670rs-g-questions.794970/#post-10324728

I don't see an established Clevo P67x owners thread yet, so you might poke around the other P6 threads to see if you can gain some insights from the previous closest model users.

Even more reason for caution if this is a completely new model

 

That Clevo does not look bad.

 

It looks like a Clevo, kinda thick looking...

P670RS-G
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=941&lang=en



* Microsoft Hybrid Graphics mode or dGPU Mode

That seems pretty clear, dGPU mode for me

 

I could change my post for the 650 and include the 670 since they are the same model

 

~ 2.998 cm / 1.18 in thick

 

Yeah, the Clevo owners groups seem to use a lot of x* wildcards

9 models, with slightly different numbering currently in the Clevo P6 lineup:



That's a lot of reading and slicing to decide which number to get, then customize. I'd want to make sure I bought a long lived model number series, not something that lasts one iteration and then gives way to another near number.

Then Clevo does like what they did with the P870DM. Bifurcates the number into a P870DM2 and P870DM3 with no backward compatibility for Pascal GPU's for the previous generation - they are left to their own devices - EOL dead-end, poof!!

Back to the DM2/DM3, with huge differences in what you can configure for GPU combinations and a big bump in cooling in the DM3 - which btw uses really loud 12v fans - no word if those are used in the DM2 - and apparently if you build a DM2 you can't later upgrade to the DM3 - parts aren't available (Clevo, sheesh).

It's interesting how many models Clevo generates throughout the year, and then abandons previous owners to niche models that don't have upgrades.

 

Sorry, thick *and* boxy, like a Clevo

 

I need to research that. There is zero way I would use a hybrid mode. I'm assuming dGPU mode is dedicated graphics card mode. Who in the blazes would not use that? I guess some people like to use the integrated graphics for light work and save battery? I'm not super up to speed on that but just thinking about it makes me feel dirty.

 

Heads up, I am seeing more and more reports that some people are getting steady high temps on their Pascal GPU's, it looks like the systems BIOS/vbios are tuned at high loads to keep the GPU hot, in the 90s:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...iscussion-thread.794965/page-91#post-10324221

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-282#post-10324341

Of course it all comes down to adequate cooling, but the fan curve programming, vbios voltage choices and Boost 3.0 management Nvidia vbios/driver come into play. The right mixture and you get low temps, the not so right mixture and you get high temps.

I have also seen lots of reports of Pascal GPU temps in the 70's/80's under load.

This early in the release game I would expect a lot of BIOS/vbios/EC firmware update iterations, stay tuned to your vendors laptop download support site - watch for new firmware daily - especially if you have temperature problems - and report what you are seeing to the vendor so they know what people are seeing 1st hand - those reports are very valuable to get them focused on the right engineering priorities.

So research your choices carefully, and be patient, let the "pioneers" take all the arrows

Note: If you are going to get a Clevo, make sure it is a model that Prema is making modded BIOS/vbios/EC available through vendors, and only buy from a Prema vendor - you can't download the new model Prema BIOS/vbios/EC from Prema's site...

 

Sorry. Thought that by "thick" you were refering to the dimension/measurement of the system in the Z-axis.
Yes, I agree. Clevo does have a dull/boring/basic/low-profile/spartan/no-flashy-nonsense aesthetic to most of their notebooks.

I believe @Ethrem had "predicted" Pascal being quite hot. Let's hope it's a limited number of cases and a proper solution can be quickly found.

 

ROFL! 111C!?! 90C regular operating temperature with throttling at 92C... Sounds like nVidia to me.

@Arondel I did indeed drop the news of Pascal being hot but I wasnt expecting this level. I would expect a lot of failures within a year at those temps.

 

Some people need that mundane look to sneak it into work or school, gives them "gamer" stealth

It's probably not limited cases, it's more likely the lower temp results were from users that didn't load the GPU's the same as the people getting the higher temps.

The Pascal desktop results are pretty consistent with these results - better cooling in the desktop reduces the severity, with more high heat results from the laptop usage.

 

That is what I like the most about Clevo/Sager. I like it when my laptop/computer doesn't look like a Decepticon.

 

I almost have to wonder whether players like ASUS decided that 90C is a-ok if it means keeping the noise down, especially in the thinner and lighter models. Generally I think there is some logic to this - I wouldn't care if my chips were at 70C at idle with the fans not spinning to make it a usable notebook in work/school/library setting. However, there is a line to be drawn, and for me that line is where the machine starts to throttle, that's not an acceptable sacrifice IMO.

 

The Decepticons are the bad guys, they usually have the mundane disguises, the Autobots have the cool looking flashy designs.

 

Personally I like Clevo for the dull, non-descript laptop look. It fits better in professional settings while having power under the hood... Then again, that's what I need. I do not accept a lesser laptop for work because, even though a lesser could do what I need, the extra time in doing things adds up. Every second waiting on the computer adds hours or days per year of unproductive time...

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Let me be the first to say...

We shoulda gone with the "m" series lower TDP GPU's for laptops again

No heat problems in the new laptops, and we would all have MXM cards that fit as upgrades in the previous generation laptops.

Much more Happiness

 

I agree and don't agree. This will finally incentivize making the laptops have better cooling, could bring back thicker laptops, and create a push for lower temps on gpus while maintaining desktop/laptop parity...

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That maybe the theory they are all operating on, let's hope it pans out.

I don't think anyone is going to quantum tunnel the heat into another dimension.

Given what is available for getting the heat out of a laptop today, I can't imagine anything short of water cooling through an external radiator is going to make this continuing generational GPU heat output rise work long term.

It looks like Asus was right, and 1st again

 

Right in theory, wrong in execution. But, this has started playing with vapor chambers by more manufacturers, could lead to K-core type of materials (copper plates with graphene in them), etc. Clevo even went thicker and higher powered fans over the DM originals.

Now this could be staging for hbm, which runs hot and has to be closer to the cpu. So we'll see where it goes...

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Unless they are going to phase change for next generation - from solid to gaseous GPU's - I don't think *adding* heat bearing components like HMB2 are going to cool things down.

 

I am too seeing like a 90c pattern from all ive read... Although many reports differ slightly... Then again, what im most concerned about is real world game test.. Not those notebookcheck stress tests... Some users on reddit have reported that 90c temps. Over at the MSi threads here, 78-80c. Users of GS43 report really good temps.. Dont know what to make of all of this..

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Good point. I think I will call Asus to see what they have to say. I just don't see how anyone could think 90c is fine....lol. Perhaps undervolting is indeed the answer.

 

90c is fantastic i like to run my cpu at 97C or 98C for a few hours doing encoding. If patient I can cook food on it.

The perfect thing is if I can balance temps at 99C just below shut down temp. Not easy though...

Delicious!

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Please come back and let us know what Asus says, and how it works out - what resolution solves the high temps.

 

Just think, if you got Pascal GPU's in SLI you could have matching Left and Right burners for appetizers and a side dish

 

I meant they are getting people used to higher temps for when they release their new furnace...

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Nah, I think they just screwed up and shipped laptop GPU's that run too hot

This is why we wait for hands on reviews for new hardware before rushing into the unknown and putting out our cold hard-earned cash.