*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

All this talk of toasters running games, so some suit decided to give us broiler ovens. I can cook a steak and game at the same time.

Truly advanced gaming!

 

Tha facit..., OEM's relying too much on throttling features But I hope we finally have seen the stop in shrinkage of notebooks Enough is enough!!

 

Just got off of the phone with Asus. The guy sounded appalled that the temps were that high. I informed him of everything. I gave him all of the info. He said max temp is 94c but the GPU should not be getting anywhere near that temp. So he just basically agreed that an RMA is justified and is passing on the info. And seemed rather grateful for the call.

 

Depending on how many laptops / desktops you have, it's a nice gesture to RMA it and let Asus discover the problem.

Quite often problems like that go without resolution, or a fix in production, longer than they need to - just because Asus has no examples of failures from the field and they can't recreate the problem from the stock they have to work with.

But, if you only have one laptop, it's still quicker to swap for another one with the vendor. Ask for them to pull it from another batch / shipment.

If they don't have another new one in stock, ask for a 100% refund, no restocking fee, and go to another region vendor to make sure you get one from another build run.

 

Yeah man. I RMA requested this rascal on Tuesday. Getting a refund. Now I will wait for reviews to see best cooling/price/performance options.

 

Guys guys guys!!! Just got confirmation from GentechPC that the GS73VR DOESN'T come with Optimus.

Great news!

 

Nice, are you gonna get it? If so, please come back with a review, photo's, and how you like it

 

Interesting that would indicate MSI actually split designs of GS63VR and GS73VR (which used to be very similar in their previous iterations of GS60 and GS70)?

GS63VR should have Optimus (based on Nvidia Control Panel reporting internal screen connected to iGPU and diagonal tearing artefacts which are specific to Optimus).

Or maybe there just was a confusion between G S73VR and G T73VR in that mail exchange (we already know GT73VR doesn't have Optimus, GS73VR was unknown)?

 

It's possible it's not easily decided by numbers, each laptop until itself...Optimus or dgpu/igpu switch/bios, it's on a model by model basis.

 

The GS73VR is also the only one in the GS_3VR series to have the 120Hz screen.

 

I was 110% sure I was going to get it. I mean, thin, lightweight, gtx 1060 and a 120hz screen. However, I've been looking at the Clevo P670RS-G, which, for the same price, I can get a 1070, 6820HK and IC Diamond in exchange for the 120hz (maybe g-sync, maybe not) screen and a centimeter more of thickness.

I am from Costa Rica, so whatever laptop I get will take around week and a half to get here. Sorry :/

Choices, choices... What do you guys recommend?

Maybe, but I did mention the model three times in a two, small paragraph email.

I'll buy either the GS73VR or the P670RS-G by friday, I'll let you guys know anything else.

 

I hate to bring this up, mostly because I can't find the article again, but I read an Nvidia article posting with an image that showed the Intel GPU Control Panel, with 120hz as the refresh value... which means Optimus supporting 120hz.

Which makes it tougher, once again, to tell from the specs if a laptop has Optimus or not.

 

Ignore this post. I posted something completely irrelevant. Sorry.

 

So I checked GS73VR manual PDF and it mentions Optimus but no sign of "GPU switch button that you can manually switch between Intel HD Graphics or nVidia", just like for GS63VR.

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS73VR-6RF-Stealth-Pro.html#down-manual

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Also here there is a big marketing badge (that I haven't seen before):



Though they also have badge for G-Sync



Though it's entirely possible those marketing geniuses just meant G-Sync working for external monitors (because of VR they need to have ports connected to dGPU, so G-Sync would work too).

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/173...-16gb-ddr4-256gb-m2-pcie-ssdplus2tb-hdd-6gb-g

 

Yup, read the manual, read the product literature, read the product website, read the sales website, talk to sales, and be confused

It's gonna take eye's on 1st person testing, a video is best, or a trusted review site that digs in to the details - with photo's

 

If you don't have a patience to wait for verification by actual owners' reports, at this point of time Clevo P670RS-G would be much safer bet than MSI GS73VR (with respect to how the internals are being wired up, dGPU / iGPU / MUX / Optimus / G-Sync).

Though we still don't have any good reports e.g. on temperatures / noise for either of those, so both may turn out to be lemons or excellent.

I personally would wait for NotebookCheck review of Clevos. We know they are already in their pipeline, so should come out relatively soon.

 

so ive ask the clevo master IVY (the guys who build clevo laptops) a question. can i disable optimus on P670RS-G and the answer was.

G-Sync and Optimus is not compatible and you choose between them by a control panel that is linked to bios, So you can turn off Optimus during gameplay but at work you can extend the battery life. How should I interpret this answer?

 

It means that it has both Optimus and g-sync, and that you can only have one enabled at a time.


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ok thx so i dont need to worry about optimus?

 

Based on what Ivy says, all you'll have to do is change a setting if it's enabled by default.


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We all need to worry about Optimus!



What's gonna happen with Prime in Transformers 5!!

Optimus Prime Going To Die In Transformers: The Last Knight?
http://www.movienewsguide.com/optimus-prime-going-die-transformers-last-knight/260124

 

What setting? Where? How? At boot time? On the fly in Windows - active immediately? Optimus+iGPU / dgpu, or?

Are we re-Englishing an accurate description, or a translation of a 3rd hand me down guess?

 

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Schenker-XMG-P507-Clevo-P651RP6-G-Notebook.171275.0.html

 

Mentions of Optimus:

" As a finishing touch dominates the 15-inch model Optimus AND G-Sync."
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graphic card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 (laptop) - 6144 MB, Core clock: 1405 MHz, Memory clock: 4000 MHz GDDR5, ForceWare 372.53, Optimus
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"It is worth mentioning in particular the Control Center, which attract not only by a manual fan control, but also by an option called GPU switch. The latter is activated either G-Sync or - after a reboot - Nvidia's Optimus technology (dynamically switches from the HD Graphics 530 of the processor on the GeForce). Our benchmarks and all other measurements were each carried out with active graphics switching. Without Optimus could be much lower, for example, the running times."
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"Only the maximum consumption falls at XMG P507 with 174 to 146 watts considerably higher. In idle mode the values are again similar.Nvidia's Optimus technology ensures fairly frugal 11-21 watts. MSIs GT62VR attracts nearly double from the socket (no graphics switching)."
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"Slightly weak battery capacity (60 Wh) or not: The mixture of Optimus and of energy efficient CPU respectively GPU architecture is to ensure the proper term. know About two hours at maximum brightness and high load as well as to please almost seven hours idle mode with minimum intensity. In our practical WLAN test, which automatically turns on a number of sites, the XMG P507 came on a good 4.5 hours, which is not bad also, when considering the space limitations of the thin chassis. In battery mode, the frame rate of the GPU is way limited to 30th"

That's all from a Google Chrome browser translation, which doesn't help the parsing and the understandability much...and I wonder if the P651* or P670* are different?

 

just buy the 670RS and add me on steam lets play

 

So I saw on this official Gigabyte video of the P35x and P37x 10 series refreshes that the official Gigabyte Youtube account said in response to a comment: "All i can say, for now, is that there is a new secret 15" project we're working on." Does anyone know what this is?

 

More NotebookCheck reviews should come. These notebooks are still in their review pipeline:

• Schenker U727 (GTX 1080 SLI) Review [Clevo P870DM3]
• Nexoc P670 (GTX 1070) Review [Clevo P670RS]
• Mifcom P671RP6-G (GTX 1060) Review [Clevo P671RP6-G]
• Mifcom P751DM2-G (GTX 1070) Review [Clevo P751DM2-G]
• MSI GE62VR (GTX 1060) Review

 

Had to skip the last 10 pages so sorry if this has been answered... where are Alienware at with laptops including the 10 series? Lots of Area51 and graphics amplifiers etc etc... no laptops.

 

Not sure and I don't think anyone spoke about this because I've read through the entire thread.


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Alienware laptops powered by NVIDIA's GTX 10 series graphics set to debut at PAX West
BY DAN THORP-LANCASTER Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:02 pm EDT
http://www.windowscentral.com/alien...ias-gtx-10-series-graphics-set-debut-pax-west

"Dell is set for a midnight unveiling on September 2 — the official first day of the conference."

Alienware Prepares to Hit the Road with NVIDIA Pascal
DELL-Joe O
16 Aug 2016 15:00
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...e-prepares-to-hit-the-road-with-nvidia-pascal

"As we prepare for PAX West, we’re charged up about showing you Alienware notebooks with NVIDIA Pascal. Make sure to tune in to Alienware.tv for our midnight announce (12:01 EST on 9/2) to get a sneak peak for what we’ll have on hand at the show. And trust us – Pascal may be the beginning of the story but it’s certainly not the end of it."

 

Alright. It's happening. I bought the GS43VR.

I know that for some, I just committed the three deadly sins of buying a gaming laptop: small form factor, BGA, and Optimus. At least, I think it's Optimus. 99% sure it's Optimus. 99% sure there's no physical MUX switch. But only 66% sure there's no way to disable Optimus in the VBIOS. Regardless... Optimus.

So why would I do it? A few others who have the GS43VR have reported decent temps, 70s to low 80s while gaming even maxed out, and I'm really a midcore gamer anyway, so if I have to dial down a few settings it won't kill me. Price isn't too bad either, relatively speaking at least. The battery life is also decent compared to most. And it's the ONLY lightweight 14" option out there right now. I'll pass on waiting for the weirdly-sized "13.9 inch" Aurous as I've heard not-so-great things about Gigabyte laptops, and I already have two portable grills for cooking while camping, so I'll pass on waiting for the new Razer Blade as well. If only Clevo had come out with a 14" model... oh well! There hasn't been so much as a peep about that ever happening.

I'm having the reseller apply IC Diamond to the GPU and CPU and switching out the Killer wireless card for Intel Wireless 8260. I'll be installing my own Samsung 850 Evo in the M.2 SSD slot - shout out to @hmscott for saving me from making the mistake of having a reseller do it for me.

Once I get it (should be around Friday, September 2), I'll post my impressions here and in the GS43VR thread. I'll include pics of internals and externals, benchmarks, temps, and so forth. I'll also be tearing through the VBIOS to see if there's some way to turn off Optimus. And I'll undervolt the CPU at some point using Throttlestop and share the results of it. I'm also planning on getting a decal to hide that ugly dragon logo, I can share pics of how that ends up looking.

I'm hoping it'll turn out okay, despite it being a small BGA turdbook with Optimus - if it doesn't, you can all say "told you so" I'm optimistic though, and I can't wait to receive it!

 

So it went quite well. Complaints are the same as for previous Maxwell models, no surprises here, but that chassis seems to handle Pascal just fine

Seems Clevos chose to make more fan noise in exchange for much lower temperatures (vs for example Asus G502 being quiet furnace).

GPU at 70 C in Furmark and CPU at 83 C in Prime95 are excellent temperatures.

(for comparison Maxwell predecessor P651RE with GTX 970M got 72 C and 88 C in the very same test)

Now I'm very curious about those thicker P650/670 RS models with GTX 1070.

Pity though they didn't test with dedicated-GPU-only mode and G-Sync. It would be interesting to see the eventual effects on performance and temperatures.

 

Yup, directly from Dell too:
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...e-prepares-to-hit-the-road-with-nvidia-pascal

It's gonna be big news!

 

Nice man, I was initially going to upgrade to that from my 980m because it was a low price especially for a 10 series, but then @hmscott told me it would be a better idea to get at least a 1070. I kind of agree with him because the gt62vr that's coming on the 5th is only $1799. The 980m that I first bought was $1899 and still is! So much performance gain for less!? What's going on with asus?


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Debating whether I should get one of the new machines or a current 980m laptop for roughly $1,500.

 

1060 is 26% slower than the 1070, and the 1060 is only 1% faster than the 980 which is 15%-25% faster than a 980m, overall for the wallet pain increase it's worth the long term performance boost

Spoiler

 

Nope.

 

Sorry, nope to which?

 

Both?

Nowz the time to wait and watch...

But, a big "don't bother with it" on the 980m @ $1500, at that price you are on the border of a 1060 (within 1% of a desktop 980) or a 1070 (26% faster in games than a 1060). See the video / screenshot of the 1060 game results a couple of posts back.

 

I just spent $1500 USD for a lapop with a 1060, which performs better than a 980M get a new laptop with a Pascal gpu

 

@Prototime

I want 17.3 inches, 16 GB ram. On Amazon I find this 1060 for roughly $1,800. The 980m I was going to get was roughly $300 cheaper. So is the 1060 worth $300 more?

Where'd you get your 1060?

@hmscott

Well, yeah, not going to buy now. But I mean ultimately.

 

980m is 15%-25% slower than a 1060, and another 26% slower than a 1070.

There are lots, over 100, laptops coming with 10 series GPU's, so plenty of choices and plenty of places to customize them to order - so you can get a 1070 in your price range.

I would prefer a 17" over a 15" for the 1070 for sure, get more volume and cooling system size increase. Well worth it.

It's not like buying last years model car to save $ over buying the incoming years model.

You are giving up real performance by going with the last generation Maxwell technology that has been for sale for over 2 years now.

If you can get a 980m 17" for $999, then it's a bargain, and worth getting, otherwise ante up another $500 over that $1500 - save up more $ while you wait for hands-on owners reviews of all the 17" 1070 models to find the one you want.

Right at launch is the worst time to buy. Everything that's found broken will be fixed, patched, and production updated, wait 60-90 days to get a more polished product. Plus prices at launch are always high, lots of demand and little supply.

Unless you need something today, and don't care about costs and dealing with the teething problems of new technology, wait.

 

I saw that the 1070 was way better than the 980m, but the 1070s I've found online are like $2,000. But if I could get a 1070 within my price range, than SNAP I'll go for it.

"...plenty of places to customize them to order..."

Heh, here's me being an ignorant Amazon-only guy. Where are these places?

 

Amazon is good, and a lot of those places sell through Amazon - look at the names of the ones on offer and find their web site. Customization might only be able through their web site, but ask and I bet they will allow the sale to be run through Amazon Prime for added protection.

A word about that though. It's one level of indirection through Amazon Prime. I would still work directly with the seller for service and parts and assistance. Only use Amazon Prime if relations break down between you and the seller at some point, and bring Amazon Prime in to patch it all up and get your laptop working or refunded - hopefully things never reach that point - but that's the whole point of getting Amazon Prime - and using a credit card with after sale protection for the Amazon payment.

A lot will depend on what brand, model, and level of customization you end up wanting, so come back and visit that brand / model thread here on NBR and ask them then, when you are ready to buy.

 

$2000 is a good price for a 1070 decked out with nice stuff, but you should be able to find a base model at $1700-1800.

 

Dumb Question:
Leaning towards the 1070 over the 1060 because of obvious reasons, but the concerns of heat management have me wondering which is the better performer in a hypothetical scenario where a 1070 is being throttled against a 1060 with no throttling issues. This is assuming the everything is the exact same (model, chassis, cooling solution, etc.), the only difference is the GPU.

 

Exactly what laptop are you looking at, where the 1070 is going to overheat?

 

Well I bought an Asus gl502vs that is a bum unit and stays at 90c no matter what I do and even at that temp the1070 is still a monster. I've got a 980 ti hybrid at home and this card is very comparable and I'm willing to bet I'm losing a few fps to throttling.

Witcher 3 @ 1440 DSR and I get 45-60 fps. Hairworks off. I can get a more solid and definite number for you in about an hour if you would like. Complete with a screenshot.

 

I'm looking forward to a breakdown of Clevo P650RS with 1070. My old P650SE has only one fan on CPU and it's just not enough when gaming for hours. As a result of potential overheating, The wasd key area would get occasional stuck. The model with 1060 seems like the same chassis as the old model. Does anyone know the cooling scheme of the 1070 model?