*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

In this scenario it's the Clevo P650 and Asus GL502. Both have 1060/1070 options with identical (or nearly) hardware.

I've been following your posts about your laptop and hope that it's just the unit you received was bad and not indicative of how the GL handles the 1070. Unfortunately it's only you and a YouTuber who have posted experience with these units, and his seems to be a much more pleasant experience.

And so far the Clevo front seems quiet, like the only review thus far has just been the 1060 unit.

Window shopping until November is going to drive me slowly insane. Hope there is more driving feedback better than a 50/50 ratio.

 

Do you still have it? Maybe try a couple of things, to see if we can bring the GPU temps down a bit.

First, stop using DSR - really it does nothing useful visually on a 1080p screen - yes it looks different, but not worth the extra CPU/GPU load - and heat.

Go to the Nvidia 3D global settings and set DSR 1:1 (as I recall).

In the same control panel, set from Prefer Maximum Performance to Adaptive Performance. It will reduce fps a little in benchmarks, but not much in the feel of games. And, Adaptive Performance will allow the GPU to downclock and cool off between loads - you need to Reboot Windows after making this change.

Also make sure your games are set in the Nvidia 3D programs section to also disable DSR and from Prefer Maximum Performance to Adaptive Performance - reboot.

Geforce Experience game tuning profiles when downloaded will apply, and reset some games to DSR, but default, yuck. You can stop this by going into each profile that is doing this and "customize" it to 1920x1080 or 1:1, whichever, and then next time it won't do it when applying new game profile updates - unless there is a new game profile for a new game and you have that game - so you need to customize that one too

Now, lets get the frame rate under control. What I mean is at full unleashed performance the GPU will run up to 90%+ in gaming, burning way past the 60 fps that would match a 60 hz refresh.

I use Rivatuner and MSI Afterburner packaged to set up OSD readout of CPU/GPU info, and set FPS Limiter in Rivatuner to Refresh+1 (61 for 60hz, 101 for 100hz).

That will cut a lot out of the heat generation, going from 200+ FPS to 60 FPS will make a big difference in heat generation.

Now lets work on the CPU, if possible.

Lets first try just what Windows provides for tweaks. Go into the Power Control Panel, and choose the Balanced Plan. If you want to get detailed, go into Advanced, and set the CPU Performance to 0%/100%, and that will idle the CPU while allowing Turbo under load - the CPU will downclock immediately after load is gone.

If you aren't already using hwinfo64, use that to log all the system data during your gaming runs. That way you will see from second to second what the temps are exactly - rather than just the high and low points over the entire run - which can peak really high but live well under that peak most of the time.

Try all of that out, and let us know how your in game GPU temps look.

Then we can try tuning the GPU / CPU with OC tuning tools...

 

I've been looking hard at the 10xx's within the 17.3" form factor for a week now. Given the performance, the only way I think I could justify the 1070 premium is if I were to go 4k, a combination that blows up the whole price quotient. As was stated above, 1060's @ ~$1500-$1600 all day long.

 

A 4k internal display's value is debatable even for a 1080, the 1070 won't really push all games to 60 fps @ 4k, so I think a 1080p, maybe a 1080p 120hz G-sync (only accept one that has G-sync now) is still preferred, while a 4k might still be worth buying it's not optimal for an internal display, not quite yet.

The Asus GX800 4k 18" SLI 1080 is about the only pairing that makes sense.

If you use external monitors, the 1070 really helps push those 1440p 165hz monitors nicely

Most games on a 1070 will crush 1080p to the point you should limit their FPS to screen refresh - 60hz, 75hz, or OC the screen to 100hz, and limit FPS to 61, 76, 101 FPS to match.

The 1070 will come into play with new games that crush all GPU's, the 1070 will keep you closer to 60 fps in those games.

 

Now that I would do, but I don't really ever use my laptop with an external.

I don't disagree, but it always becomes a matter of how long one expects a given purchase to maintain a certain degree of relevance.

 

If your laptop is more powerful than your desktop, you might like using your laptop with the external monitor

Right now there are games that will challenge the 1070, it's likely there will be more.

Running the 1070 with FPS limiter will make it run cool, and still have plenty of headroom and long life to make the extra $$$'s up front worth it down the line

 

Just a quick read sponse to this. DSR has nothing to do with the temps being so high. No matter if I use 1080/1440/4k, the temps stay at 90c. I ran various resolutions to check. One reason I know its a bum unit. When I saw the GPU shot up to 90c at 1080p I wanted to see how hot it would get at 1440 then at 4k. Never went above 91c. Also I put the power setting on adaptive. I'm going to see if anything is fishy in the bios.

Btw, I can indeed tell the difference between resolutions even on that tiny screen I will look at the rest later. Thanks for the reply.

 

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It's just my unit. I think one other guy on Amazon said his got hot to the point the machine would crash. Everyone else seems to have good temps.

 

Increasing the resolution through DSR isn't going to cool it down, it's going to keep the load high.

The GPU Boost 3.0 / clock adjustments are making up for your resolution changes, but if you drop the load down low enough it might indeed start cooling down.

I didn't say you couldn't see a difference, I said you can, what I said was is that it wasn't worth the added system load

If you want to see if you can bring down the GPU temp, you have to give the GPU a break - reduce the load however you can, and let it downclock in between loads.

Run load tests 10 minutes or shorter, and skip back to back tests, give the GPU time to drop to lowest idle temp between high load runs - that could take a long time if your ambient temp is high - what is your ambient temps, btw?

If you have any OC on the CPU/GPU, reset to stock settings for a while too.

Try to get a baseline idle temp reading, and then use care to ramp up load slowly to see if it gradually goes up, or if it jumps to highest temps even with light load - like a youtube video, then a DVD playback (with GPU assist), then a BD playback, etc.

It's clear you know how to heat it up, now try to finesse some low temp readings

 

Lol. Right, I know DSR heats things up. That's why I used it. To see if the GPU would get hotter, but imagine my surprise when it didn't. One would think that 90c @ 1080 then 1440 DSR would get me over 100c. As for the rest of your helpful post I regret to say I've tried all of it. Well, most of it.

Thanks for your great intentions. I'm certainly not going to run medium settings or sub 1080 resolution with a 1070 under the hood. So sadly this beast will cook steak until its time to ship her off!

 

I made this for you. It's janky. Obviously you could tell the resolution by the size of the overlay but when editing the pics they all had blown up overlay....lol. I just wanted to show you how the temp just didn't move no matter the resolution. For the most part. That's at hangmans tree. It's my favorite spot to benchmark. The rock there has plenty of trees and bushes and that good ambient inclusion going on.

http://imgur.com/a/Y7BG2

 

Ok, can you please add the GPU load % display element?

Then use that value to find a game that doesn't use more than 50%/60% of the GPU, and see if the temp drops.

I think Witcher 3 might be over 90%+ at 60 fps

I wonder if its some kind of thermal probe issue...

Are you running multiple monitoring tools at the same time? Maybe exit XTU, hwinfo64, gpu-z, etc, and leave Rivatuner alone or with MSI Afterburner.

I also added more text to the last post, refresh and check it out

I wrote that before seeing this post, FYI.

 

Alright, I will add that to the list. I'm just using MSI afterburner, nothing else. I've kept everything to the basics. Perhaps there is something in one of the bloatware apps that is making this thing hot? I just ran swtor for a few mins and it was creeping up but did seem to stay at about 74c on Yavin 4. Yesterday it shot immediately to 90c as well. Progress.....

 

MSI and Asus both have a "gaming center" type app that sets speeds too, those can conflict with XTU/Afterburner and one can override the other.

Try uninstalling the gaming center and if there is another GPU tuner - like Asus GPU Tweak too.

You did set Afterburner to stock GPU settings?

I tend to edit my posts, refresh and read the last one, I have more text there than shows in your quote of me in your reply.

 

Lol. I'm trying to keep up. I will just post these real quick and then I will back read. Just for a simple show of the GPU load on the various settings.

http://imgur.com/a/ZtIYB

Edit

Concerning the letting the cpu/gpu cool down. I did that between post actually. I like to close the game out, let the GPU get back to idle temp and then try again. Btw, no overclock so everything is stock settings on the GPU. Performance has indeed been on balance, and power options on adaptive.

 

Take your time, have fun with it, update tomorrow if you like

Yeah, 99%, wow, that's why it's at 90c, the onboard GPU preservation code is *working*.

 

Yeah, that's what is making me think some sort of kboost or something is on. The bad boy goes from nothing to full load in a heartbeat. This card should not be under full load with Witcher 3 @ 1080p with hairworks off. Certainly shouldn't be in SWTOR. I also downloaded WoW so I will see what that brings to the table. Btw, I edited my above post. We are/have been on the same settings. Batman Arkham Knight is downloading as I type. I've got hundreds of games I can test on....lol.

 

BMAK is gonna whack the GPU too...you want to find games that run at well over 100 fps unlimited (with the FPS limiter disabled), so that when you limit the game to 61 fps there is a tangible load difference between unlimited and limited - so the load goes down from 99%.

TW3 is obviously not one of those. Try turning off the limiter and see how much more than 60 fps it runs, since it's already at 99% it shouldn't be much higher that 60 fps.

Keep downloading, find a game(s) that runs at high FPS unlimited so you have some headroom to lop off.

Don't forget to reboot between uninstalls of the tuning stuff, and between installs of games.

You might want to uninstall Geforce Experience too, it will kick on DSR for Batman as I recall... I usually just load the Nvidia video driver, HD audio, and Physx, the rest is baggage I don't use.

 

Hey has he tried updating the bios? It says there's an update to the EC FW in the 200 version.
https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ROG-GL502VS/HelpDesk_Download/


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Well, BMAK didn't really smash my GPU usage. Still high temps but low usage. Here are a few screens.

http://imgur.com/a/gJbvl

 

Interesting. I've never done a bios update. I will look into it. Thanks!

*edit*

Just looked. My bios is the same as that one. Thanks for the heads up though.

 

Yeah, not a good example, that's a poorly coded game, 54 FPS and only 60% load, that's pretty sucky utilization.

What you are looking for is a game that runs unlimited at over 100 fps at full load, then enable FPS limter at 61 fps, to see how far the utilization drops from 99% at unlimited to well under that at 61 fps - then look at the temperature.

Try more games that meet the spec, > than 100 fps with FPS Limiter disabled - hopefully over 200 fps, then snapshot GPU temp / % utilization - then enable the FPS limiter and see how much the utilization drops and the temperature

 

If only I knew what kiboshing was!....lol.

 

put an end to; dispose of decisively, comprende?

Refresh again, I put in other text

 

Alright I feel bad for you man. There is one other thing that might help the temps a bit like under volt the cpu?


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It's the GPU that's getting too hot, CPU looks fine

@Beasthunt

Did you uninstall the Tool that tweaks the GPU boost curve? What about that Nvidia tool or Asus tool?

 

True but when I got my gl502v, it's temps (both gpu and cpu) on gta iv were 77-80 degrees, once I under volt, they both went down to 70-72 on load. The heat pipes are pretty close or even touching each other so whenever one is being heated up more than the other, you know. Remember how on the gl502vt thread, people were complaining about temps on the 6700hq? Sadly the 1070 version uses the same one.


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The CPU is showing 70c range, not hot at all, not being influenced by the GPU overtemp situation, so the cooling must be nicely segregated.

We want to get control of the GPU utilization with a game that wants to play nice.

If we can't get it under control, then something is wrong with the GPU / paste / thermal components.

In that case it's not worth going any further with this or any other tuning; time for a new laptop.

 

I've not uninstalled anything. The only Asus tool on the laptop so far that I see is the RoG gaming center and it's the most useless utility I have ever seen. You couldn't adjust a nose hair in that thing.

 

Bioshock Infinite would be great for this.

 

It should have a multi-level perforamance setting option, like Power Save, Medium, Sport, and High performance - or something like that, nuke it

There should be something to adjust the Nvidia GPU Boost curve too, looking... although given the games, load, and utilization there might not be any special boost going on, other than the built in GPU code.

 

This, this is what I was thinking of:

NVIDIA Pascal Mobile: GTX 1080, 1070 and 1060 Enter Gaming Notebooks
The ASUS G752VS OC Edition with GTX 1070

"That said, both NVIDIA and its partners are pushing the overclockability of the Pascal GPUs in mobile chassis. It is going to be more of a case-by-case setup though; my ASUS G752VS OC Edition was able to accept an offset of just 100 MHz, well below the insinuated 300+ MHz from NVIDIA's slide. "



Nothing related to tuning / OC / performance in any of the Asus Game Center tabs, sub dialogs?

 

The 1060 I got was in the 14" GS43VR, so probably not what you're looking for. Prices do go up on larger models. There are various boutique resellers you can go through that will customize your laptop how you'd like and may offer discounts. If you're in the USA and interested, check out resellers like Prostar, GenTechPC, XoticPC, and HIDevolution.

 

Sorry @Prototime , I looked but could not find a proper review for the gs43vr..But since you already have your unit, maybe you could give us your insights

 

Happy to help! I haven't got it yet, I should have it no later than Friday, September 2, and shortly after I'll share pics, benchmarks, temps, etc. both here and in the GS43VR owner's lounge.

 

Clevo fps test/temp at the end

 

Those are some really good temps:



Clevo P650RP6-G with GTX 1060: CPU 69 C, GPU 68 C (gameplay of Witcher 3 + Overwatch + Doom 3, in air conditioned room)

Also seems fans were pretty quiet.

 

The 1060 is always pretty much going to be cooler than a 1070 in a notebook. The 1070 is 25% faster.


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Does anyone have an Msi with the 1070?


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You mean Clevo P650RP6-G? AFAIK that unit has GTX 1070.

 

Hey Birdyhands as a owner of the ASUS GL502 VS how is the fan noise when gaming? I know the older models were pretty loud and was wondering if they worked to improve the new models.
Its one of the laptops I'm looking at so any info would be great.
Screen quality, brightness, overall build quality?Do the orange WASD keys look as garish in person as they look in pictures ( its the one thing I sort of don't like)
Thanks

 

I only have the vy version right now sorry.


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Agreed. I went to order the p650rs as they were released. Then canceled my order as soon as I realized my mistake of not waiting to see the full line up with reviews.

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Yup, that's the one, P650RP6-G, with GTX 1060. Sorry for the typo, fixing it.

AFAIK there is still no review of a thicker P650RS with GTX 1070.

 

P650 with 1060 has the same cooling config as the original I believe. The one with the 1070 has an additional heatpipe that runs from the cpu heatsink to the gpu heatsink.

 

Here's a review of the GS43VR: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/laptops/2016/08/25/msi-gs43vr-phantom-pro-review/1

Kudos to @italian.madness for finding it!

 

It didn't. Anyway the damn thing cost $1700. No way am I going to pull my hair out trying to get it to not suck. I sent that heater back. Appreciate the attempt!

 

You may have mentioned it but I missed it, but are you getting it replaced with the same model or are you going with a different one?

 

As far as I know, p650rsg only comes with 1070.

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