*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

German version of the notebookcheck GT73VR review is up:
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-MSI-GT73VR-6RE-Titan-Notebook.172354.0.html

They usually follow up with a translation pretty quickly, but honestly google translate does a decent enough job and the graphs and numbers are usually the most interesting parts for me anyway

Some highlights that stuck out on my first glance through: best response time I've seen so far (barring OLED), 6.8ms black to white and 26ms GTG, seems to be very quiet and performs like a beast. Definitely not for me, because the heft of the thing is just ridiculous, but an impressive machine it looks like.

 

Did they give the company make and screen model in the review? My German is too basic to handle tech reviews.

Edit: Found it. It's N173HHE-G32 (CMN1747). No mention of the maker but that's a 1080p FHD IPS screen.

 

Why does MSI GE62VR has such low star reviews in amazon?

 

You tell me; you didn't read them?

 

Amazon has put up their "mega-option matrix" listing for the MSI GT73VR / GT83VR. It lets you start with an option and then see the other options available with that configuration.

For example, 1070 SLI listings, first for a GT83VR then a GT73VR, both at $3499, that's $200 less than I paid for my GT80 SLI-263 980m SLI over a year ago

MSI VR Ready GT83VR Titan SLI-055 18.4" Extreme Gaming Laptop Dual Geforce GTX 1070 [SLI] i7-6820HK 16GB 256GB SSD + 1TB Windows 10
- $3499
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT83VR-S...-1&keywords=MSI+VR+Ready+GT83VR+Titan+SLI-055

MSI VR Ready GT73VR Titan SLI-058 17.3" Extreme Gaming Laptop Dual Geforce GTX 1070 [SLI] i7-6820HK 64GB 512GB SSD + 1TB Win 10 - $3499
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT73VR-S...-1&keywords=MSI+VR+Ready+GT73VR+Titan+SLI-058

 

They say it has poor quality and that it has a lot of RMA. Its a bit scary but at least the comment amount is low.

 

Trolls trying to sink competing brands / vendors, ignore them.

If the laptop has only just started shipping, wait for a while until real owners comment.

 

There's actually an art to interpreting an Amazon or Newegg review section, IMO.

 

I'm quite impressed by this laptop. I was really into the Clevo p775, but now... Great screen, quiet, good temperatures, goos keyboard... Great machine, it seems.

 

I think both are great!

But P775 comes with the toppings! P775 comes with 6700k unlocked desktop CPU, comes with 1080.

MSI might be more upgradable over time, and should have a better keyboard, if reviews are true.

Though I get the distinct impression that P775 is cheaper either way.

 

There are tons of information regardin gt62/72vr and other asus, clevo pascal models. But nobody seems to care enough to review budget friendly one such as ge62vr. Nothing but a little review in youtube.

 

Hey Storm, after meeting with the lawyers today I had some time to test- I've let FurMark's Burn in run for 2 hours now and on a cooling pad without turning the fans up on the P670RS-G (AC in the room was set to 72) I am seeing a min of 41 degrees and a max of 74 before re-pasting.

I am quite happy with the temperatures, although as stated before, the VR and Fallout seem to crash *a lot* - MemTest86 and FurMark don't crash the system though so I don't know what to look at next. I'm guessing it's drivers. I'm going to try a higher quality paste and see if that gives better results for temps, but VR using CPU + GPU to a high % definitely gets the system warmer. I'll try to get some temps going when playing games soon, but it's late now.

 

What is the stock refresh rate for you screen? 75Hz?

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Do not use Furmark if you value your laptop, it will burn our your GPU.. If you want to do a burn test, use Heaven Benchmark..

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Acer unleashes Predator 21X with GTX1080 SLI and Kaby Lake Processor

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10614...en-intel-core-cpu-and-geforce-gtx-1080-in-sli

Very interesting and a surprise from Acer, there's still hope in OEMs afterall?

 

Acer has become the new Alienware, LOL
Too bad this model most likely will have Kaby lake i7 BGA. And Dell has gone the opposite way. Removed their flagship AW18 from their Aw line(Big laptops isn't their goal longer). They would rather compete with EVGA and Razer I think. Times have really changed!! CEO for Alienware Mr. Azor would the opposite for Alienware. Thinner and lighter with better battery for gaming laptops the better. See image from AWA https://eu.alienwarearena.com/forum...nware-s-general-manager-frank-azor-anything/2

Just look at their Echo line.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...ptop-predator-21x-price-release-date-ifa-2016
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...ptop-predator-21x-price-release-date-ifa-2016
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10614...en-intel-core-cpu-and-geforce-gtx-1080-in-sli

 

There's a chance it could be a LGA CPU inside... based on some press release like the one I quoted above

 

Gigabyte Aero 14 may get a 1060:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dave2Dtv/status/767839429201231873

Could @D2 Ultima and all our other experts weigh in on his opinion about thermals and whether it may be worth the buy, or will it overheat or deafen the buyer.

Thanks in advance.

 

I hope that. It doesn't matter with socket i7 in their ganing models if Acer put in locked crippled firmware. Time will tell

 

I'll concede right now that I am developing a serious case of buyer's remorse (P870DM3-G). However, we still don't know enough about this unapologetically outrageous looking machine.

 

Very interesting to say at least! Though as @Papusan stated CPU + GPU's will be BGA. Not that it matters anymore as socketed CPU's and MXM GPU's aren't upgadeable as well!

What intrigues me is how well this cooling solution will perform. Very interesting design! And 21"!!!!!!! OhMyGahhhh!!!!!
But on the other side: Most probably crippled BIOS, Throttling for sure (will it come with 2 x 330w bricks?).....

But very nice catch indeed!

EDIT: It will come with two power bricks: CNET

 

Outrageous indeed, like seriously WTH is that above the keyboard

I wouldn't rule out it's BGA yet.... we'll see. Still no details regarding the internals and exact CPU models

and it seems there's 2 power inlets at the back, next to the LAN port

 

As superficial as this is going to sound, the sheer otherwordly look and massive build of this thing makes me want to care less about actual hardware performance differences and instead, favour this over the P870DM3 that I've ordered. It's like @Papusan said, this used to be Alienware's niche for a specific audience who have had to settle for Clevos (or the MSI Titan GT80/83) as of late. This latest Predator pretty much takes all of that to the next level, and as such, I would really hope that the internals and BIOS with this system are indeed as robust and user-flexible as what many had come to appreciate with the LGA-MXM Alienware models.

 

omg this is almost perfect size

3inches off 24inches

At least this laptop has a big enough chassis to house all your components without any drawbacks to the cooling system

 

Yeah, good catch! But it looks like these are meant for 2 x 230w bricks!? Let us pray that we won't see a MSI GT80S Fiasco again with inbuild crippled Power Management. Of course speculation at this Point!

EDIT: Indeed, absolutely freakin' otherwordly design! And I..... LIKE it!!! If this one turns out to be not as crippled in Firmware and Power Management AND Throttling, then I might consider buying it even if it turns out that internals will be BGA and keeping it past Volta.

 

F me they put a window for the system fan above the keyboard lol

 

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Acer’s new Predator 21 X is a monster. Not only have this machine’s designers put a curved 21-inch display on a laptop for the first time ever, they’ve also gone and given it two GeForce GTX 1080 GPUs as well. Add in five cooling fans, a 7th-generation Intel Core K-series processor, and space for as much as four terabytes of SSD storage, and you have a laptop that’s beyond obscene.

-TheVerge

 

Excellent finds.

The fact that they mention upgrade potential and especially overclocking in blunt terms, gives potential for optimism regarding this system's innards and end-user options.

 

Could be a mini-hologram

 

THIS!!!

I can't help myself, but I WANT this bad Boy!!!

 

Yeah, and now I want someone to show up and critically undermine the hype forming around the Predator 21X. You know, make some of us feel better about our current investments. ; )

 

It's an Acer

 

Well, for one it doesn't even exist, yet...

But, very happy to see some innovation!
Nice one on the screen!

We tried to pitch a similar cooling design to Clevo for years now...

IF that's MXM and LGA they may just have helped all of us pushing the industry into a more user friendly direction...

 

Acer could be the missing link aka the best performing laptop ever, if they used proper socket hardware, decent unlocked Firmvare and of course upgradeable!! And all other brands would be in the dust.
Water cooler docking from AsusBook and Graphics amp from DELLIENWARE isn't the future. Only BIG laptops!!! With BIG performance

 

True, but there was a time when people said the same about Alienware back in the last decade, well before the age of their latest apostasy of going with the streamlined BGA design philosophy. Nevertheless, well played, and thanks.

That's what some were initially saying about the P870DM3, dude, but cheers. Besides, on the Clevo side, we've got you as our designated mad scientist who actually gets things done as opposed to the rigidly-trained Pavlovian drones that often populate technical support departments in big companies.

Edit:
Just noticed the added content on your post. A real shame that Clevo didn't capitalise on your idea regarding a bigger and cooler chassis because it would've really done them a world of good from various angles, and even propelled them to the absolute pinnacle standing in the niche market that Alienware abandoned. Perhaps Acer might benefit from some of your work and insights, @Prema.

 

You don't announce a product so far in advance unless something currently existing cuts into your target market...which I hope is a good sign.

Oh, that cooling was totally @bonnie.clyde 's design!

 

I really hope Clevo will launch a +++18-21 inches gaming laptop with fully upgradeable socket hardware. This or next year Maybe with a X processor!!
This is the future!! Bigger the better!!
@Mr. Fox me.. @Papusan @Prema @Phoenix @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER @bloodhawk @Ashtrix @TBoneSan @ajc9988 @hmscott @dspboys ++++ would love to buy it. And Clevo said to us... of course the graphics is upgradeable at least 3-4 gen. At a reasonable price
When Acer is capable to make 21 inches laptop... Why not Clevo

 

Apart from a bigger screen, what does the Acer 21" offer which is different from the rest of the 17.3" offerings out on the market equipped with a 1080?

 

You will get barely any battery life on that thing, and you'd have to have two wall sockets open to be able to play games.

 

Bigger CURVED screen probably some insane cooling( I would hope ) for a 17 pound laptop

 

I really want this to be something beyond a case of just looks and little show of substance. That is, a system that without compromise offers options for core-component upgrades (such as GPU and CPU) as well as BIOS/Firmware flexibility with detailed management and adjustment of said components. However, as of right now, I think that is being a bit too idealistic. Having that said, even as a worse-case scenario (BGA & limited hardware functionality and upgrade access) the Predator 21X is still a sign of some kind of progress on the physical design front, something that other companies willing to the cater to the needs of the ultra-enthusiast niche market might draw inspiration from, going forward.

 

I don't think there is enough space in the 18-21 section to have any healthy competition.

Clevo is covering the 17" 1080 SLI (MXM, LGA) market while the Acer will compete with the MSI 18" class for customer.

After all 15" is still the target size with the largest market share.

 

This . . . I mean, if there's one thing going for this machine, regardless of its guts, it's the basic benefit of its larger chassis and physical design; it'll be naturally prone to keeping components cooler than any 17 inch offering.

 

I don't know why a curved screen should be so special as to get others so excited, but if it's accompanied by a bigger chassis than the usual 17.3" it might imply better cooling for the internals.

Apart from that, some users will actually be staring at their screen and what it displays rather than what the machine looks on the outside. I'm one of these, and the extra weight and screen size isn't a big enough draw to persuade me to buy something that screams "I'm a flash gaming laptop, please steal me!".

 

Don't destroy my dream sir You can push Clevo Remember we need a replacement for P570 18-21 inches is almost perfect

 

better cooling based on what we know so far, this thing have 5 fans... 5! and there looks like hell lot of space judging by the thickness of the bulge behind. It also seems to offer 2 x power input ports, but the power supply is still up for guessing, this could potentially eliminate any throttling issues.

from the press conference video posted few posts back, they also briefly mentioned about the top hatch being easily removable with just one screw for easy upgrade. "Upgrades" is very vague now, OEMs consider swapping drives and adding memory as upgrades as well, so whether the CPU and GPU is swappable is still in doubt.

 

That's a time-long argument about aggressive-looking machines, and I think the concern here is quite valid but also context dependent.

Sure, if one is going to be using this outside, then there are risks and the potential for certain negative attention. This has never been an issue in my case, but I am a far cry from being a mainstream consumer, and as such, the more otherwordly it looks in getting the job done, the better -- I want that thing breathing fire, pushing out performance and keeping everything cool.

More to the serious point; in my case, the screen and chassis size are actually major factors as I do quite enjoy their associated features and the knock-on benefits. The curve isn't as big of a sell to my tastes, personally, but apparently, it also has its own distinct benefits.

 

21" hell yeah, but why not start by a classic flat screen, curved laptops just don't make sens, guess it was just for the prestige of saying Acer was the first laptop with a curved 21" screen, probably the last too, since it is pretty damn stupid in all honesty, well who knows maybe the majority of people think it's a great idea, different strokes for different folks I guess .

 

You're pitching this critique to the wrong consumer. I certainly don't care about this point, but on that note, I'm sure it'll matter to others . . . And they have their market options.

 

Dual 1080 SLI? Based on the 870DM3 quick review, minimum 500-520W power supply to ensure both cards are fed with enough power. That works out to 250-260W for one PSU.
5 fans... Cleaning this thing is going to be a pain.

Acer aren't keen on the MXM format are they? CPU upgrades at any rate aren't like batteries which can be popped in and out at will.