*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

What this announcement from ACER makes it "interesting" is that they did the plunge in the icy water and announce a product contradictory to the actual Mainstream and Needs for lighter, thinner Notebooks with 10+ battery life and so on. It reminds me a bit of the good ol' Clevo P570WM, which of course was designed as a DTR not an Enthusiast rig. And it turned out that it had the balz to evolve to one of the badassest Notebook even after 4 years from now on.

IF ACER has done its work right and provide this one with a mature Power Management, a not crippled Firmware and (hopefully) a good cooling design and LGA/MXM components, then it is something to really hope for....

 

I'm not a fan of curved screens as well, it looks nice and immersive for movies and gaming but other than that it could be a nuisance for professional work like photo editing

but I have a feeling Acer actually thought about this design. If you see the laptop closed, you can actually see the curved lid making space for the mech keyboard. The mech keyboard design in the Acer differs from MSI in that it doesn't sit in a recessed area like the GT80s



Maybe someone from Acer was looking at the MSI GT80s and thought "Hell! Why not make it a curve screen instead!"

 

Still hope then for the p34w version then since it's not announced. Although I fancied the aero 14 v1. I wouldn't buy a 970m for the 3rd time but I would look at this if the price is right. This or aorus x3. Not set on the gs43 at least based on its pricetag


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Normally i dislike flashy gaming laptops but that one looks fkin cool!

 

If you haven't seen it... Finally is bigger thicker models back!!! Lovely. Bigger better hardware stopped the thinn lightweight mess

 

Please feel free to correct, but didn't @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER state that a single 330w power supply is enough to have P870DM3 run a 6700K with GTX 1080 SLi at stock clocks?

 

Review of the Asus 1080 SLI variant and HTWingnut's own 870DM3 both confirm the system needs double the power for the SLI machine to run at maximum performance and not throttle itself. Yes the machine will run SLI even with one power supply, but for the most demanding games it makes more sense to turn off one card to get maximum performance.

The users drooling over the 21" Acer have also noted the machine itself comes with two power ports. If one power supply was enough, why would anyone need two power ports?!

 

LGA or BGA aside, in a market where OEMs are moving towards slim and portability, it's refreshing to see there's still an OEM willing to take the risk in offering this monstrosity that's long being deemed not practical and outdated

 

Acer IFA Live Stream
Predator line 38:20


Acer | Predator 21 X Gaming Laptop – Beyond Horizons

 

Jupp, to each his own (and for me the most)! I for my side am awaiting further News on this. And if it turns out to be the big badass sista ("Big Bertha" to be precisely) of da Panther, Phoenixes and Titans, even the better!

 

Sure. It's always better to have dual power supplies with such systems and to get the most out of both cards and the CPU in tandem. Of course, that's never been a point of disagreement. Now, how we opt to define 'need' does morph into a different conversation. I like performance and overclocking headroom, so to me, 330W for these machines doesn't meet that need. To certain resellers, however, since the cards do manage at stock with a single power unit, it does. I disagree with their approach of course, and I think it'll hurt their standing with customers.

As for the Acer Predator 21X. The two power ports are one of the central reasons why I'm hoping that they're not just messing around because it means that they are considering maximum performance, and even the potential for overclocking, which was mentioned in the video.

 

Lets be honest, its Acer here.. Its going to be overpriced like their current Predator notebooks and its probably going to be full BGA will a fully locked down BIOS.. I like curved screens but all that isn't worth $5k in the end.. Even the most I would spend on a P870DM with 1080 SLI is around $3k..

That's why I bought a desktop with a 1080.. If BF1 beta is anything to go by, the 970M should be fine for another 1-2 years and I can always OC.. The current notebooks are too overpriced for my tastes..

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You look like you just contradicted yourself based on post #1452, but it doesn't matter either way.

 

True that regarding the prices! I'm just curious, if ACER pops out the rabbit out of da hat! Let's see how it goes....

 

This thing has my attention.
Hopefully it has no secure boot. Has as a desktop CPU, and for what it's worth these days an MXM GPU too.

It looks like pre-BGA Alienware is getting their lunch cut.. Lol.. You snooze, you loose Dell.

 

And now I'm all for getting one of these laptops. Seems one of the best things that had happened to gaming laptops lately!

I really hope for some sane prices though!

 

We need Big socket beast. Fully unlocked Firmvare and upgradeable for minimum 3-4 gen. A big laptop will be crippled with soldered hardware. Fully Crippled!! An anemic locked or so called unlocked i7 BGA who top out at 4.1/4.3 GHz is very out of place in a large laptop chassis.
And maybe we are on the way. Bigger thicker models now Maybe OEM's will go socket like Clevo in the futur?

 

Not at all. Not even by the most basic of comprehensions.

The following was post 1452:

Until and unless one is going out of their way to attribute some intent to my post there, it is actually just what it is: a question. I.E. Does the machine run at stock with a single PSU. Why, yes it does. You confirmed this point.

What that has to with the following, or my personal preference when it comes to powering a unit and what I require out of it, is simple: very little to nothing. Again, until and unless one is looking to make assumptions of their own, this has nothing to do with my personal preference expressed in the following post.

Only someone making excessive assumptions would see the two as contradictory, which warrants this correction. I certainly don't care if it matters either way to others, but I definitely do care if my stance itself becomes misrepresented in the process, which it had in this case.

 

Wow. Just learned 6700hq performs worse than 5700hq. How could intel screw up some much? Lazy amd, get up and fight! Hopefully 6700hq is still enough to feed a 1060, right?

 

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5761625/fs/8872363

^That's my i7 4710HQ beating a 6600k @4.2ghz on the physics test in Firestrike., ...so I wouldn't worry about any i7 mobile quad not being enough for a 1060 ...or 1080 for that matter.

 

Tbh, even a 7700hq will be the bottleneck for Pascal , especially in SLI. Sure, it will run games nicely and for browsing and so on. But that's it! For rendering, photoshopping it might become inadequate then, not to speak about overclocking!

Dunno remember exactly, but there are some posts out here where a 6700hq was driven by some CPU intensive games. Long story short: there was a significantly drop in performance due to throttling (CPU-wise) plus the weak performance of the CPU itself.

 

Nice score! Then lets hope that Kaby Lake BGA will be equally overclocking friendly!

 

You could oveclock the previous low entry Hq i7 processors. The new little boy... 6700Hq is completely locked down. Aka max 3.1 GHz on all 4 cores. Intel go in wrong direction

 

Great ventilation design for the blower fan

This is probably the best laptop for 2016-2017

Why's the keyboard slightly curved instead of an inclined plane?

 

Then lets hope that Intel turns back in the right direction and bring some nice OC-Features for Kaby Lake BGA!

 

I thought this was fixed a while back? Can you elaborate? I hadn't heard anything about this for a while, thanks for the info!

 

At least better iGPU Important for Optimus system. You get better battery life

 

Yes, it is a 75hz refresh rate. I thought there was a 120hz option but I guess not? The 75hz does quite well so far, my desktop monitor is a 144hz G-sync 35" curved and while the size itself is nowhere near each other, the smoothness is comparable.

 

You must like bullying others with your lawyer-like statements to get them to back down.

Post 1452 appears to be addressed to my earlier post speculating on possible minimum power supply, which was in itself a reply to someone's post talking about dual power units and the power wattage for the new model being unknown but needing to be high enough to avoid throttling issues.

I put up a few figures based on the Clevo 870DM3 and I end up with this mess of posts. If you really want the last word that you're being misrepresented by my assumptions, by all means. I had planned to drop the point on my last post but it seems I've mortally offended a random stranger on the internet and been flamed for doing so.

 

I can only imagine Andrew Ryan being the mastermind behind the Acer Predator 21X.

Acer Employee: Sir, no man would want a screen bigger than 18" on a laptop, and definitely not a curved screen.
Andrew Ryan: We're not building this for man, we're building for gods.
Acer Employee: But what about battery life?
Andrew Ryan: A man worries about what limited amount of energy has left, a god asks how much can be given.
Acer Employee: It will be too heavy.
Andrew Ryan: Did Atlas ignore the world because of it's weight, because he did not possess the strength to endure? No, because it was his.
Acer Employee: Led lights?
Andrew Ryan: More than a Christmas tree!

 

What are you going on about? I asked you a question and reciprocated neutrally, even edited any potential for misunderstanding, but you remain adamant on weaving something here that just isn't there in the first place.

You were seeing a contradiction where there was none. A loaded assumption on your part to my question, to which you got a well-deserved response, which seems to have left you perturbed for some reason.

Look, I'll just be honest here, and there is nothing lawyer-like about this in the first place. No one cares what it 'appears' like between the lines to you. It was a blatant question. It was addressed to your post not as a response or challenge, and it even begins with 'please feel free to correct' - a concession on my part that I would like to further my information on the topic. You offered ths information, I agreed, I mentioned the caveat about 'needs', and that was the end of that conversation.

How you can skip all of the obvious that is mentioned and attribute some meaning -- some subtext of your own -- into this exchange is the real curiosity at hand. There is nothing to back down from because you just conjured up some vague intention, attributed it to said question -- haven't substantiated the claim -- and are now making even more wild statements about more intentions. Nothing to back down from; you didn't produce anything of factual value in that statement. You found my question contradictory, and you were shown that it wasn't such in plain terms. Now you're doubling down and getting defensive, and you have the gall to accuse me of being lawyer like? Please.

Real question, again: where is this hostility of yours coming from? Why would you even go there?

Yes, you did, and I agreed with you, but your response was an allegation of contradiction, which didn't make logical sense. I clarified this and you, apparently, once again attributed some sort of intent to the matter.

Again, what's the actual problem here?

 

I enjoyed the chat until I watched the release promo video from Acer, If you observe carefully when they show off the innards, the GPUs come in flying and "BAM !! SOLDERED Onto the MoBo". End of discussion

Plus the price, currently the GT83VR is out of many budget given the MXM fiasco and the BGA CPU, same for the GX800VH truly remarkable feat with Liquid cooling and jaw-dropping looks both of them sitting 4K+ and 5K respectively more expensive & no idea how to source them over the 870DM3 which is born to take the title of "The world's most powerful real DTR".

The Adrenalin lasted for a few secs, Lol It's ACER, Forget it & enjoy the Real Beast(s) that we have in our hands soon to be unleashed by Prema.

I'm waiting to see the response from Clevo, Yeah as Prema said no market for this class of machines and Clevo won't waste on something that's just smoke and mirrors, Just improve the damn cooling on the 870DM3 more and un-gimp the 775DM3 cooling with new Kaby refresh & as @Papusan said add an X CPU P570WM successor FFS , It'd spank all these 3 wannabe DTRs to Hell for Eternity

I read here that previously Nvidia had got numerous RMA requests (some taking advantage of this to get free replacements) for the Furmark DIY GPU barbecue but later nVidia added some microcode to detect this amounts of stress to not to burn the GPUs & It's not a scale to measure real stress, Unigine & Firestrike Ultra do the job better imho.

 

I'm still slightly interested in the Acer even if it's soldered just for being different from the rest of the DTR's. They're innovating- or at least trying to- and for any change to happen, we need more unique machines to succeed. If Acer has success with this and listens to the community, we might see a second version with MXM and / or LGA.

 

The market for 5-6K dollar/euro laptops isn't that big, I'm guessing less than 1000 laptops worldwide (probably quite a bit less, maybe even just a couple hundred), for them to succeed they'd have to give you options and yeah go for MXM/LGA give us the option of a non SLI beast, shave a few K dollars/euros off the price tag here and there, let people configure and add what they want, that is what made Alienware so successful, back when they were still relevant for gaming laptops, give people choices and they're happy, I personally would never spend over 3300 euro on a computer or laptop, that is already quite a bit of money, so a 5-6K laptop is just inconceivable .

 

if you wanna be optimistic, you could argue these renders look like MXM modules

 

I *FULLY* expect it to overheat and throttle so badly that it performs worse than the 970M it replaces.

 

Yeah, they lost my attention there!
BGA has it's place in some 15" and smaller models, but why someone would decide to solder GPUs with 21" of space to work with is beyond me...

 

That was to be expected, sadly! But on the other hand MXM has lost its value when all brands change the PCB-Layout with every new Gen of Notebooks.

Unless you know something that we don't know!?

 

Prema it's Acer what do you expect???

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Shame, really! But DAMN, I must admit, kudos for them for making it. I lusted so much after the mALX, DELL XPS 2010 and the HDX Dragon, but they are pretty old. Unlike the first two, the HDX is not totally obsolete, but still old none the less. So this Acer scratches me in a special place ( ). In the end of the day, judging how the former three went into history it's not a shame, it's a crime Acer didn't made it upgradeable! I think that the curved display makes sense, 1. as @ZeneticX mentioned, it might make room for the keyboard and 2. it's a laptop, so sitting close to a 21" display I think that it would better be curved. I wonder how the display would handle a backpack carrying though.

They used to be, they even had a 14" models too. I'm not aware of anyone else that had 14" MXM model.

 

So we will get a fully BGA'ed Monster Notebook, hmm....

But if everything else would be working as intended, I still would consider it.

 

In case they still didn't believe you... I will need to test more games to see if it holds true across the boards though. And the stuttering is the video recording software problem, not the game play itself.


I'm liking the dual power ports as well.

The GT83VR is 5k and up when it's all said and done....
And the cheapest base config with missing parts and 1080 SLI is $3100, so no P870DM3 or 2 for you my friend...
And they "all" have locked bioses... Just a matter of how locked they are.

I seen that too and was like....NOooooooooo, it's going to be BGA. Speculations of course..

And I think I was one of the people who mentioned about using Furmark to get cards replaced.

Still don't see a socket or a plug in point though.. Speculation of course...

 

Thank you, Now I remember +rep

 

Omg have you guys seen the predator 21 inch notebook with sli 1080s and a curved 21 inch screen, mechanical keyboard and kaby lake?

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Nope, we totally missed it over the last two to three pages with pictures and videos of people talking about it.

j/k

Yep, we seen it. Demo mode anyway...

 

Much obliged, man. Thanks.

 

If Acer can come from out of nowhere in a little over a year, and be ready with this awesome beast, then it's possible we might see some more unexpected entries as time goes by...

BTW, Acer fixed their timecode / sync issue with their Live Stream save, the whole Predator line release start at 38:20 :
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-146#post-10330813

There is also an interesting alliance with what I consider to be the best VR headset in development - 5k @ 210 degree vision, Starbreeze @ 50:45 - Announcing the Acer StarVR

 

Called it before anyone ... Typical Acer, selling junk!!

See what Ashtrix has mentioned above...

 

Ok then, go upgrade to your Clevo/MSI Pascal MXM GPU's...

 

I addressed this in another thread. Whether we like it or not, HBM is integrated on die. If you compare the size of the fury die with hbm to the pcb, this, when mounted, would effect the screws for mounting the card. Because of this, the card would have had to be redesigned anyways. Instead, by redesigning the cards now, you can make heatsinks matching with where the future die will be moving forward. Even if you made a compatible card now, that would have been the end. Bad planning, yes. Nefarious? Who knows. Either way, that is likely the reason many got ****ed this round. This is not to excuse not creating a compatible card! This is to give a potential reason for the change...

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