*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Tbh, even MXM is not a guarantee anymore for upgradeability. Hopefully Clevo and MSI had to change the PCB-Layout in order to make way for HBM(2) and Volta. If not, all P870DM2/3 owners are screwed! Which, in turn, makes it no better then a BGA crippled Acer Predator 21x! Okay, we at least have @Prema to unlock the Bios for the Phoenixes!

 

No not even close. Even at maximum fans they are not at all intrusive or loud. They are very quiet fans in comparison to MSI 15" offerings of the past. Even at stock fans under load they are basically silent and the temps don't exceed 70C. With maximum fans you can expect around 50C CPU and 58-60C GPU when overclocked to maximum overclock.

 

Thanks a lot!
One more question: I heard the Intel display driver keeps crashing and restarting when it's working on the Physx. Has G-Sync eliminated all the crashing and BSOD issues? And what about battery life during normal usage?

 

I don't have Intel drivers because I don't have intel graphics at all. This laptop does not utilize Optimus. The internal and all external display outs are all wired directly to the GTX 1060. So no I don't get any BSODs. I haven't had a single one. What I have experienced is random game crashes on startup. Once in game no issues but randomly it will fail to load the game. This appears to be a widespread issue with any brand as I found browsing reviews. Should be eliminated with driver updates.

Laptop has G-Sync and NO OPTIMUS.

 

Check one.de now with 4k screen dual psus and sli 1080s going 3.6k Euro wish i had the money to buy iit

 

Once again, thanks a lot for the valuable information.
A last thing you didn't mention is battery life. Does having the 1060 wired to do all the work drain the battery more? If you've ever tried using the laptop on battery, What do you think about it?

 

PCPartsPicker's laptop section doesn't yet have the new generation laptops listed. Is there a good place to go where I can compare all the new laptops across all dimensions? I like being able to sort of filter everything out like here.

 

To put it bluntly the battery life is poor. I will test later, but I think you can expect somewhere around 90-120 minutes on very very light loads with the screen brightness turned way down. I would not buy this laptop if battery life was a need. If you need battery life you need a laptop with either Optimus or an even better option is an laptop with a physical GPU switch or BIOS graphics switching option. Clevo offers such an option and IMO MSI should have done this as well for the price of this laptop.

 

New Alienware models coming:
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-17-laptop
https://na.alienwarearena.com/tv/ (announcement starting now)

 

This is interesting, same with your temps. Did you repaste? My RMA just got accepted and approved from Newegg for my Asus RoG gl502vs w/1070 and now I'm looking for something else. I'm in college now and do a bart ton of studying at work so I was looking at the MSI gs43vr but I can't find out if it has Gsync or not.

 

Getting a 404 on the first link.

 

I just checked the first link, seems to be fine.

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Alienware 15:
http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-15-laptop/pd

Alienware 17:
http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-17-laptop/pd

 

Can't wait to see the prices on those rascals. Even the 13".

 

Man, I really hope that is accurate. That would be truly awesome for at least one OEM to join Clevo in using socketed and unlocked desktop CPUs, and from an underdog like Acer no less... sweet. After seeing the sad physics scores from the benchmarks in both of those MSI videos it was nice to read something encouraging on the heels of that. What has been seen cannot be unseen... such a shame to hobble such extremely nice notebooks with pathetic CPUs. The comment about the warranty sticker really rubbed me the wrong way, too. Can't take the bottom cover off, can't do your own repaste... definitely a "not cool" alert (and I'm not talking about the high thermals).

 

Thanks vkt62, I didn't even have the link to the 15"

Snippets I caught from the announcement + in chat:
- Completely new design, visually and internals
- Will have overclocking and "K" processors - I assume this means like 6820HK, rather than desktop chips or anything like that
- 120Hz with G-sync on 15"/17"
- TOBII eye tracking on 17"
- OLED will be available on 13"
- 15" will go up to 1070, 17" to 1080 (13" they didn't say, I still say 1060 is likely, and even more so now seeing the new designs with the focus on overclocking, cooling, and the extruding "butt" design, which btw feels like a rip off of Aorus a little)
- Availability seems to suck: orders for 15 and 17 only available on 30th Sep, 13 coming in Nov (according to AW guy in chat)
- 9.6 lbs for 17", 7.7 lbs for 15"

 

They scrapped off the Carbonfiber ext to magnesium alloy again Seems like they kept the lid CF and frame MGAlloy, with the change of Alienware font too
Also they push forward the thin & light design...

So we have new LCDs tech coming here too - 1440p GSync 120Hz to 17" & 120Hz FHD 4ms to 15", But no info on 120Hz 4ms on 17" FHD, hope they have it too, Finally no Gimptimus I presume !!

From the Alienware 15 page they seem to have another typo there lmao..Those Radeon RX GPUs !! Gimme MXMs here FFS

EDIT : NYC guest event youtube coverage -


Wow how thin they are and Frank emphasizing it plus the iSheeple going crazy over that VRReady "Brick on your face" fest and Shiny Alienware kool-aid...& How are they getting over 7Hrs of battery life off the GTX1080 17" & 1070 15" 120Hz FHD & QHD panels with 99Whr batteries, No f' in idea...since I cannot see Optimus anywhere, Maybe that Throttle Boost 3.0 and vBIOS cancer firmware at work or MUX !!

EDIT 2 : Yeah no more status LED indicators..
EDIT 3 :

 

Well, on a more positive note, here's something truly exciting to look at. Pascal mobile at it's best... and Brother @Prema hasn't even started working his GeForce cancer firmware exorcism magic on it yet. It's gonna be a blood bath, LOL.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11528240/3dm11/11541907#
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9954310/fs/10007886

 

No problem. I just guessed. Just changed 17 to 15 and tried the website.

Also, I think we might see the laptops with Kaby Lake rather than Sky Lake since intel is also coming out with the laptop cpu soon.

The A15 website claims TOBII eye tracking and Windows Hello. Don't know how far its true. The A17 website claims both also.

 

According to this article, the new Alienware 13 will have a 1060 and weigh 6 pounds. Also, the new lineup will ship with Skylake until Kaby Lake becomes available. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3114...-new-laptops-with-gtx-10-series-graphics.html

 

Has @Prema said anything about whether or not the stock VBIOS contributes to excessive heat? Unlocked is fantastic and all if you're feeding an AC unit into the bottom, but on ambient there's very little thermal headroom as it is.

 

Yeah, I'm more interested in what kind of 100% stable gaming overclocks can be achieved on laptops without 'extreme' modified cooling like the AC units that you mentioned. I don't think I've seen any definitive info on this yet (haven't looked that hard though to be honest!), perhaps too early in the game & not enough people with these laptops yet.

 

I like that Alienware 13. I hope it's upgradeable, though - as easy to open as the W230SS (four screws and I'm in... I can't open this machine often enough ).

Six pounds, about 2.7 kg. I can take that weight compromise for a trebling in performance, since my current notebook is about 2.2 kg or so.

But I'm still not buying it. My year is 2018, and my node is 7-10 nm.

 

Holy **** why is the Alienware 15 inch almost 8lbs. That's so damn heavy. I was thinking about this laptop until that weight. Absurd. Meanwhile Asus GL502 doing fine at 5.7lbs.

 

I can only assume the weight increase for the new AW17 and 15 is due to the larger copper heatsink, that or it's just better overall built quality

doesn't make sense to push for slimmer design but the weight increases lol

Can't wait to see the cooling reviews for the new models. AW switching to BGA was a questionable decision, but one thing they still have going is cooling performance (if u manage to get lucky with their awful stock paste job)

 

It's ridiculous to say at least that you aren't allowed to do a repaste or even cleaning! Meanwhile I mostly lost interest in Notebooks (upgrading, modding and benching) atm cause of all these fantastic News of lately -> NGreedia cancer Drivers, WinGoofs itself, pseudo MXM designs and now it's prohibited to open your Notebook for cleaning and repasting! I'm sure, I've still missed some Points though.

That are truly some nice benches! Would luv to have a P870DM3, but not if the next Gen of graphic Cards will be altered again! And with HBM2 and Volta around the corner it may just be so.

On a side note: if it turns out that this Predator-Book will have socketed CPU and won't have some Major design flaws, I might consider one last upgrade/buying it....

 

Pretty sure in the U.S. that warranty sticker crap is illegal if you don't actually break anything. Yeah they are still in violation of federal law to place those on products.

 

I think that 1440p (actually 1600p, but who's asking me, right?) on 17" is the perfect resolution - the hell this 4K nonsense. WUXGA/FullHD is the perfect res for 15". I mean I know that there are personal preferences, but as I said - I think that these two are the best in terms of real estate and usability for most of the people out there. Instead of going bat$h!t crazy with useless resolution (if you can use 4K @ 15" @ 100% scaling, I ENVY you ), they should've focused on improving the current ones. You can tell whatever you want about Alienware (me including), but these panels are a push in the right direction.

And then people blame AMD for not competing... Not to mention that they'll do RX 470 only (at least for now), and not RX 480, I've discussed this at large (larger than this post at least) here. Oh and since you care about MXM, it would only make more sense to have MXM when you have different GPU vendors, which on a BGA machine requires major MoBo redesign.

 

I agree with triturbo here. And the gaming laptops that would benefit the most from are the thin and light ones, since they have the least space for larger batteries that would make them usable for things other than gaming while unplugged.

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I'm in a minority here but I love 4K screens for the clarity. I use scaling because yeah, its way too freakin small without it, but the improved quality of the picture eases eyestrain and is more enjoyable to use imo.

 

Fair enough, to each their own. Having seen 4K screens, I can say that is is lovely to look at, but boy does it draw power, even at idle. And it really pushes the hardware to render games in native resolution.

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Yeah It's sad to see only a 470 option there, So far only Alienware was giving AMD option (since 2013) but Idk why they held back maybe because of power constraints & focusing more on console APUs & maybe some VR shady bushiness, Heck those Pascal cards run extremely hot & 1080 into that thin chassis ? I don't know how are they going to cool it with that BGA high voltage crap silicon CPUs in Alienwares with shared HS design, Waiting to see some benches and temps (EC profiles, Fan tables, Fan CFMs etc ) on them but Sep30 wayy late...

I feel bad to have to so many people go to DT now since the monopoly is very strong and hard to make any significant cut for us.

Also yep the panels are good push, 100% agree with you there with FHD and QHD on 17" but since the UHD will be in demand and no people would care about 8-10bit displays we can't expect them to improve and give us more than 6 bit. Would love to see what display they are using there with that 4ms claim on QHD and FHD, AUO has 120Hz 5ms, LG failed to deliver at 5ms instead does at 25ms, Clevo UHD is at good sRGB , 100% Adobe, 64Hz Gsync & then there is another I think the Chi Mei with "x"ms "x"Hz that ships with MSI GSync...

 

Dell/Alienware will probably shelf the AMD option anyway in the next refresh, since nobody give a damm about it and driver support will probably be horrible. Remember r9 m290x, m395x?

 

I wish some OEM will take the 14" 1440p OLED screen from Lenovo's X1 Yoga and use it as a screen for a gaming/content creation laptop. It would have incredible refresh rates for gaming and (according to LaptopMag's test) 201.9% sRGB coverage for content creation.

But knowing Lenovo, they've probably got supply of that display locked down to them. This begs the question - why can't Lenovo try and make a 14" powerhouse laptop?

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Clevo UHD screens are AUO 4K 8-bit per channel (bpc), 16.7 million color. Whenever you see that many colors, it is 8-bpc, also called 24-bit RGB sometimes. 10-bit (30-bit RGB) or 10+2-bit (32-bit color) are when you get over 1 billion colors. We are only starting to get 12-bit color (36-bit) at the highest end while defining and creating throughput for up to 16-bpc (48-bit color).

Now, every panel I've seen with 1.07B at 17" utilizes a 50-pin LVDS and is made by LG (uses a 2 channel, 10-bit interface). Because of the interface, this panel cannot be used in our 40-pin Clevos. Most new panels are 8-bit, not six bit, even though they should be putting out more 10-bit as we switch to eDP (yet there are zero 17.3" displays using eDP with 10-bpc color). Instead, they are focused, as most of you are, on getting the higher Hz displays out first with slightly wider gamut (Adobe RGB, which is less than the TV HDR push to try for over 90% DCI P3, a wider gamut standard)...

As for the Chi Mei, is that the 4K with similar specs to the AUO 4K, except 300 nit instead of 400 not, 800:1 contrast reason instead of 1000:1, etc.?

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Yeah, they will come with Skylake first, 99.9% sure about that. From what I've read the first Kaby Lakes to hit will be the U series, and we haven't even seen those on sale yet, while Alienware 15/17 will be available at the end of this month.

From the video Ashtrix linked, I can also now say "called it" to those who were doubting that the 1060 would make it to the 13.

I agree, they are ridiculously heavy. I feel like Alienware is confused, they switch to BGA for thinner and lighter, and then make these monsters.

I think the closest you are going to get to that is the Alienware 13 w/ 1440p OLED, slightly smaller than you wanted, heavy, but with "overclocking" (what that means we have yet to see) and a 1060. I was seriously considering it until I heard in the announcement that it will only be available in November (wtf honestly).

 

That's why you don't use native res for demanding games, only for desktop and less demanding games. Even my meager 870M can power a good deal of games at 1800p that are not demanding. They look FANTASTIC. Given that, I play most games at 900p or 1080p and you really don't notice the downscaling.

I'm looking at the MSI GT62VR, and the fact that none with 4K are even mentioned anywhere outside of an optional choice on MSI's page for it makes me sad. It's going to be hard to go back to not seeing my desktop and apps with super crisp fonts if I have to go back to 1080p. The super quiet fans and 1lb less than the Clevo 750 is really swaying me. I'll go back to 1080p if I have to, but I definitely don't want to at this point. Between my 13" rmbp and 2014 blade, I haven't looked at a LowDPI monitor in years, and every time I do the fonts look ugly.

 

Unfortunately, that doesn't stop companies from doing things like that, nor does the law ensure a good customer experience. When they don't care, having to fight with them as a consumer to get fair treatment sucks. Better option is to not do business with companies that operate on the basis of seeing what they can get away with as far as screwing their customers versus doing the right thing.

 

If you have eyesight good enough to do stuff at 4K on a 15" screen (I'm assuming that since you said Clevo 750), then I want your eyes!

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All this talk of "8lbs is heavy" and "it's one lb lighter, so I'll get it," I wish @LunaP was here for this!!!

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That's the boat I'm in now. I really would enjoy upgrading to the new 1060-based Razer 14, and I'm attracted by the matte panel, but it's only FHD resolution. My aging eyes have really grown accustomed to the super-crisp HiDPI desktop, and even though most gaming is done at 1600x900, my current squeeze is GTA, and it looks so fine at 2048x1152. Really don't want to step down my screen rez at this late date. But that matte screen, tho.

 

Yeah, that's definitely true. Nowhere near enough information available yet to draw any conclusions.

 

But that's the whole thing about HiDPI - it uses a lot of the extra resolution for *sharpness*, not additional desktop area by reducing things in size. My poor eyesight really *benefits* from using a 3200x1800 desktop resolution and using Windows' default 2x size for fonts/window chrome/etc.

 

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

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What is the size difference between the AW17 and the upcoming AW17? How thinner?

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People are complaining about the weight of the new 15 and I'm over here thinking, "I've carried the m15x before. It wasn't that bad."
Yeah, it is thicker than the 15, but carrying it wasn't all too bad.

 

Sometimes it's easy for people to lose sight of things that are most important. If thicker and heavier actually means better performance and cooler temps that should trump saving a few ounces. When the primary focus is on weight and size reduction, compromise will follow as a natural and unavoidable consequence. I'm not talking about big versus little here, I'm talking about making something already small and light smaller and lighter. If it's already small and light, packing on a few extra ounces or adding an extra quarter inch of girth should be a welcomed change if the results improve.

 

Haha, I can see @triturbo likes 16:10, another one in the #goldenratiomasterrace!!!

 

Yeah. Complaining about Processor throttling, and same time want thinner and thinner. What should people expect? Better cooling?

 

I just saw a commercial for the HP laptop that is thinner than a Mac air... I wanted to puke and cry at the same time!!!

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