*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Oh i see i thought none of the 120hz ips were gsync certified currently in pascal launched systems this is curious news indeed



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"decisive". What you described are advantages that 6-8 cores would have over quad-core. Gap between 6700k to 6820hk is not as dramatic. If I needed all those, i wouldn't bothered with laptops in the first place when best one i can get is quad.

 

Yeah... But if you need to move your laptop, you need to bother with laptops.

This is the whole point, having the most power available on a laptop. I can't get a desktop right now, this is why I'm stressing over the necessity of a truly socketed laptop with the most power possible.

Having a 5 minute shorter render per every 30 minutes means saving about 240 minutes per day. 4 hours of time saved by 6700k vs 6820HK. Multiply this with the number of days I'm using it to render.

 

I know those vendors all sell Clevos. Please don't patronize me like that. I'm currently in a university with thousands of students. A higher proportion than the general population have gaming laptops here. Since I'm a laptop enthusiast I'm always looking at what people are using. I've seen exactly two Clevos here. I've seen dozens and dozens of MSI and Asus laptops, impressively I've even seen two Razer Blade pros (like the stupidest machine ever). (side note on your list you forgot Sager, and there are more like Asian ones such as Hasee etc...). Almost all low (compared to any remotely major player) volume boutique builders and resellers though.

170 million laptops were sold in 2014. What are Clevos hard sale numbers? Dell, Apple, Lenovo, HP, Acer and Asus all sold tens of millions. Its crazy hard to find accurate numbers, but I'd be stunned if Clevo sold more than a few million. Considering I've seen like 3 Clevos ever, while thousands of other brands.

I didn't mean that, all I said was GSync is a good way to kill Optimus. They aren't an insignificant percentage of pc sales (Though the P870 certainly is).

And uh yep, that's what my point was for the laptops my dgpus still functions as a basic windows display adaptor... I don't think that's what happened in my specific case though my igpu was still active.

I use build quality to mean the construction and feel of the laptop's chassis, as that's the main build. What your describing, would that not be quality? A Razer Blade has exceptional build quality, but the quality of the components is not nearly as impressive. Asus has a lot of great build quality machines, but I'm suspect of their overall quality. While a Dell Precision has both build quality and quality.

 

You see more gaming because thats what is burned into our generations retinas if they want power and msi and asus both are full availability at places like bestbuy. .sadness. gotta teach them right way young!

MSI has taken first place with asus tagging 2nd unsurprisingly... But then you can also have polar opposites as for example at old job all mobile workstation laptops were Clevos.

The one MAJOR benefit of them at uni at least is less risk of theft.

Darn people not respecting others stuff at unis...

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I have never seen a workplace with Clevo laptops ever. If that's actually popular in other countries then maybe I'd believe they have decent marketshares. Every office I've ever been in uses HP, Lenovo, or Dell.

And yeah, I'm not saying I like it, but I'm saying is most people have never heard of Clevo, or any of clevos resellers.

Sorry Trump was the easiest example of an exploitative speaker. Not going to talk about their messages but he and O'Reilly are fantastic masters of intent driven language, I didn't want a political debate, and neither of us followed up on it so I thought it was fine.

 

Here's another. Not too bad for a tiny little 15-incher...
http://valid.x86.fr/u13ull - http://hwbot.org/submission/3311693_

 

5ghz...Jesus...I was happy when I hit 4.1ghz on my desktop :/ dreams crushed...

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I gotcha! It would be interesting to see. They cannibalize office system sales with pricing which has totally been on my nerves forever. Dells displays are fine though.

Old job valued what was best or better over pricing so probably why it was case.

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How come this 1070 15 inch laptop is cheap? $1700 only? 1070 is a strong GPU, no?

ASUS GL502VS-DB71



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The difference is a 4700HQ has a 45W TDP hardware-level limit and is often likely to cross the TDP limit (and thus get TDP throttled) in certain heavier workloads (120Hz+ gaming, CPU-heavy professional apps, etc). The 4700MQ in a decent laptop does not.

Skylake doesn't have this issue, certainly... but then all of Skylake's CPUs are rather slow under 4-core load, and do not overclock well due to bad binning of their chips. And then too, many motherboards seem to limit their TDP drawn even on the "unlocked" 6820HK. Ask @Mobius 1 about his ventures with ASUS's "top end model" and their 75W limit. A 6700K model won't do this.

Granted, the above problem with TDP limitation and even cooling limitation is more of a laptop design issue than not (and thus ODMs are to blame), however when someone asks you to recommend a laptop with a powerful CPU because they want to do X professional application etc, there *IS* no real choice to give them.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and say BGA is death to all forever etc. What I *AM* going to say though, is that accepting the half-assed laptops that people keep trying to push at us is an extremely bad thing to do. If you're going to make BGA machines, I expect to see cost savings. The savings of that MXM slot, the savings of that CPU socket... those should translate into the laptop. The top end ASUS models cost the same as the socketed desktop models from Clevo, and the socketed models already cost more than Clevo's non-socketed models (something I already have a huge problem with, considering the CPU and I'm sure the chipset is cheaper). This means that the higher end soldered models from ASUS/MSI/etc are simply making truckloads of money off peoples' heads. I have problems with this.

What country, might I ask?

Clevo sells generally to business contracts, as far as I know. Lots of Asian businesses. The people buying from Sager or Metabox etc I believe aren't their primary source of sales (at least not singularly... maybe combined).

Gsync may indeed be one way, yes. But I doubt it'll actually happen, really. Too many stigmas about bad battery life.

If you use build quality to describe the outward feel/construction and ignore the internals, then something is wrong with your definition. Outward feel should really be secondary to internal layout, cooling and design, as it has little to do with how well the laptop performs or how long it's likely to last. As for your statement on "the quality of the components is not impressive", you're not making much sense to me. The components are the same. Razer's 1060 and Clevo's 1060 and MSI's BGA 1060 and everybody's 1060 is a 1060. Razer's build quality for cooling is simply much worse. Their motherboard design for power delivery etc is much worse. Their soldering of the RAM is much worse. Etc. The only thing is that their outward feel is nice, and honestly, I don't even think that the laptop is all that sturdy; like it would not survive a knock or a fall as well as something like my P370SM3 would (the 17" RBP actually costs around the same, so it's a fair comparison too!). I'd rather you said the outward feel/aesthetics than "build quality". Because it REALLY gives people an extremely incorrect idea about what the machines are like. Hell, even "fit and finish" would also count for describing it.

 

Most bga 1070 laptops are about $1700. The 1070 is faster than desktop Titanx from last year as I recall so yea, pretty fast

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It's not that pricey. Am I going to assume the new AW15 will be on that price range with 1070?

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Anybody seen this cheesy video Omen 17 GTX 1070

 

Aw seems to be more expensive than competition normally so I can't say. But $1600-1800 seems to be 1070 range depending on how you configure the device.

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For less than $300 difference you can get a socketed 6700K with @Prema BIOS and MXM 1070 that will utterly annihilate the Alienware.
I'd say that is money well spent.

http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-clevo-p750dm2-g-custom-built-gaming-desktop-replacement-laptop.html

 

Ah I see. I was thinking of getting a 15 inch powerhouse which is slim to replace my MSI gs60. I'll buy a powerhouse laptop 17 inch once FFXV on PC comes out.

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This is a monster, great Fox. I want to get this.

How slim is this compared to other 15inch?

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No no, i mean build quality is the feel blah blah all that. Quality is the cooling setup, psu etc. im saying i agree with you about "build quality" I just don't always call it that, in depends on my audience. Idk what to call the solid feel of Razers chassis other than the quality of the build. But their crappy cooling solution means overall quality isnt that great. Sorry im on board with what your saying, im not disagreeing with what your saying. I just mean I dont like the word build quality to mean the quality of a cooling solution because most people mean does it feel like a Macbook Pro chassis.


Solid post though.

Im U.S.

 

I see. Yeah, it'd just be better if you change it to "outer feel/aesthetics" etc. It's what I've found works best with people on Reddit or other forums when explaining to them what actually is up with those machines.

No problem.

The US is the least likely place to see non-popular brands like Clevos, I believe. It just is. I find many more people in the UK and EU online in general who have models like Fujitsu or Clevos. The caribbean generally grabs whatever the US sells as long as it's 1-3 years post production and was poached cheaply in clearance sales etc so they can save money but still charge an arm and a leg for the items.

 

It's about 1.5 inches thick, so not too bad actually. I believe that Asus is around 1.15 inches thick if I remember correctly.

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sigh........nice. Well, I said other than gaming or benching, i think that includes validation you only need to get it stable just til you can validate CPU-Z lol.

 

Rendering, productivity work, livestreaming, CPU-based recording, video editing, etc.

 

That little monster can still bench what you want with 4.8/4.9 GHz

 

To be fair though, most of those things can be GPU accelerated with the proper software. Such as rendering, video editing and live streaming. Things such as compiling source code and the like definitely benefit from the added CPU power though. Compiling Linux kernels on my 2 core Ultrabook vs my desktop... So slow...

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1070 boosting is similar to titan xm at stock+stock cooler

Most people owning a titan xm won't run the card at stock cooling or stock vbios

 

Hmm. I've never heard of a gtx titanxM. Here's what I was refering to though.


I've seen that across multiple websites as well. Since laptop cards are supposed to be within about 10% of desktop cards it should be relatively close to gtx TitanX performance? Plus the laptop 1070 has more cuda cores than the desktop variant but a 50mhz underclock. A slight 50mhz overclock(thermals allowing) should even it up even more?

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Titan X maxwell

 

Oh gotcha! Then it seems we are saying the same things lol my bad.

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use slave and desktop to compile?

 

Depends. CUDA requires modified drivers or specific programs in general for Windows acceleration.

Rendering, CUDA won't help over a CPU. Double precision CUDA might work, or OpenCL might work, but that's about it. Note I'm talking about rendering like, via Maya or Blender, etc. Video editing? Again you need the mods for CUDA or it still just uses the CPU really. I won't consider it as a basic deal that everyone can use, unfortunately. Livestreaming... lol. The quality is garbage. It's only a consideration if your CPU power is used so much in games you're planning to stream that you'd need to use BELOW "veryfast" compression on x264. So.. playing Deus Ex on a quadcore? Sure. Most any other game? Not nearly worth it. GPU acceleration (especially on nVidia) is far less useful in practice than most people realize.

Compiling I didn't even consider, but thanks for adding to the conversation.

 

Weird thing about the GTX 107/80 (or all Pascal based cards in that regard) is that the clock adjustment is only in 13MHz steps. Much less granular than Maxwell's possibility of 5MHz (or smaller in some cases) adjustment.

With the ASUS GTX 1070 (notebook) on the G752, I am only able to run at +26MHz, or two bins (I refer single 13MHz steps as "bins). Certainly not impressive in terms of overclocking, but the stock performance is already adequate so some people might be happy with that.

The limiting factor is that Pascal really likes low temperature (below 50c is ideal), the ASUS didn't have fan control and the maximum fan speed is quite low. So I wasn't able to push the card on ambient cooling. On the other hand, I was able to run 6 bins on Firestrike Extreme if I blast the laptop with cold AC (below 48c load).

Beyond 50c, the card will drop 1 bin every 10c increment, and that's not including any limitation by voltage, TDP, etc etc etc...)

+6 bins, +700MHz memory: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9894445



The voltage and TDP limitation on the ASUS was also a big limiting factor. I was constantly limited by vREL/vOP (maximum voltage allowed) and PWR (maximum power consumption/TDP reached) limitation when the card's thermal was well below the suggested operating temperature (it didn't drop any bins due to heat).

Nvidia SUGGESTS that the TDP of 1070 is roughly similar to the GTX 980M (100-110w), but now manufacturers can adjust the TDP independently to math the capability of their cooling system (either bad or good).

As some like to skimp on cooling, I believe the performance will vary from laptop to laptop. So you need to keep your eyes out.

@Prema also mentioned that he will NOT be doing BIOS (or vBIOS) for pascal model laptops beside the Clevo ones. So consider that when you browse for a laptop to buy.


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Can you show me? =O

 

48C under load?! Where do you live Alaska? I'd need like liquid nitrogen cooling to do that where I am. Good grief I'm happy with like 70C.

 

He's feeding the output of an air conditioner into the laptop.

 

I don't believe the mobile 1070 is performing like a Titan X (Maxwell). The actual desktop 1070 performs a little better.

There still aren't many reviews showing a comparison between cards.

 

Like this... 15 inch baby beast rampage @Galm17

Max GPU temp was 46°C and CPU was 83°C

3DMark 11: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11568175



Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10122415



Sky Diver: http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4296564

 

That still seems low for a Pascal card under max load. There's a limit to what air can do, watercooling loops get warmer.

 

I put in on top of an industrial grade AC. This is a unit that's meant to cool a conference room out of a single blower unit. So there's that.

The problem is that YOU CANNOT CONTROL THE FANS, most of the time they will stop spinning if the temperature gets under a certain point. Wasting the advantage given by the cold AC air.

Did I forget to mention that it also fell off the AC unit and hit its upper screen bezel on my chair? It split the whole top lid assembly and pushed the screen far back enough so that it scratched the keyboard/upper chassis assembly.

Microcenter didn't mind though, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Are there any benchmark videos that compare the laptop 1070 and 1080 to the desktop 1070, 1080 and Titan X? Can't seem to find them... Damn naming scheme is confusing YouTube's algorithm. Seem to only be able to find one or the other.

 

Why do people like buying ASUS again? Remind me @Mobius 1

 

No Titan X though.

 

No, but I wish I did. Alaska is awesome. I live in Phoenix, unfortunately... too hot even in winter, LOL.

Maybe because they get nice looking CPU-Z and GPU-Z skins with ROG logos?

 

Thanks. I think that's the only one so far. He only compares a single game!

 

Depends, from being braindead dumb to ones that think bush did 9/11.

 

see @6min > Linus tried apples-to-apples

Spoiler: Goodwill # Hunting

@|NBR > got PremaMod?

 

That's an awesome video.

 

Of a cherry picked unit with COMPLETELY FLAT HEATSINK BASES, right @Meaker@Sager ?

 

That'd be my guess.

 

Vapor chambers have to manufactured to very tight tolerances by the way I've laid out the thermal pad guide in the owners lounge.