*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Linus had a P870DM3 review that showed it trading blows with 1080 FE SLI cards. But yeah, it seems to be taking forever for reviews to come out. Mobile Tech Review and Dave Lee have a few videos where they show in game performance, but not really any nice graphs to compare with.

 

I'm a bit agitated about it mainly because different systems will perform differently, so more reviews* would be nice. And I'm honestly surprised at how few reviews* there are.

*Comparison reviews, that is.

 

With how backordered these laptops are I'm not too surprised. I ordered on the 22nd of August and MIGHT get it late next week...

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Yeah, I figured stock was the issue... But I also assumed reviewers would be among the first to purchase them, as they do so for a living.

There will probably be more in a couple weeks.

 

Can you link me tot hat?

 

Aren't you running an FPS limiter to screen refresh speed, like Rivatuner or Vsync, so you are limiting the load on the GPU / CPU.

Let it run free some time, without an FPS limiter, on a AAA GPU / CPU crushing title, then let us know the temps

 

I took the FPS limiter (V-sync) off after the first time I played The temps and usage I'm reporting now aren't influenced by that.

 

Yes, this is also rather important too. It doesn't matter NOW, but in a year or so when the 1060 gets far less mileage out of it than it currently does, and sub-60fps in AAA titles is common near higher settings, it being pushed to the limit will be a good bit more common.

 

Surprisingly good temps then

Are you running at 100% fan speed, or heightened / adjusted fan speeds?

 

Auto-fans. Though as I said, the temps did definitely increase after overclocking, and last I checked after a 2 hour gaming session the average temp was 79.6 C according to HWinfo64. Before I overclocked the average temp was consistently around 73 C.

 

One thing I should add is that, although I don't have a laptop cooler, I do keep it elevated on a metal mesh laptop stand. That seems to help quite a bit - when I was benchmarking on Unigine Valley once on a flat wood table, my temps came down 5 C when I lifted the notebook up off of it.

 

Curious, does anyone or has anyone ordered a 120hz Gsync panel from any outfit yet?

 

Yes, that helps greatly. Coolers only really help if they shove in more air than the fans will ever naturally take.

However I'd like to see how your performance metrics turn out.

 

Anyone know if the 1050 mobile is launching with the 1050 desktop or will it be delayed?

 

Average, but what is the Maximum temp recorded during the session?

I use hwinfo64 logging to see how often it hits that maximum too, as quite often the maximum recorded isn't hit often or held for long.

 

Not the best, DE:MD struggles to hit 60 fps most of the time, FPS is usually in the 50s, with occasional spikes and dips (more often dips). I mucked up logging my FPS with Fraps the last time I played, and I have a hard time deciphering the RivaTuner Excel file, so I don't have a solid average FPS I can cite yet, but I will figure out soon and will report back with a more solid number.

Of course. The max temp recorded by HWinfo64 during my last two-hour session on HR:MD was 83 C.This was the same session where I got 79.6 C as the average. (Thankfully, HWinfo64's Excel file is a bit easier to work with )

 

Wow, that's great, and the fans aren't too loud or annoying? What % of speed does the GPU fan max out at on Auto-run? RPM?
(it's a GS43VR, in case anyone missed it)

 

Yeah, let me recap since this discussion has been spread out over multiple posts...

We're talking about my MSI GS43VR, which has had IC Diamond Thermal Compound applied to the CPU + GPU, and I game on it while having it placed on a metal mesh laptop stand. I overclocked the GPU core clock by +100 MHz and the GPU memory clock by +200 MHz. I've been playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided at 1080p with all the settings set to max, except that Depth of Field is set to "on", and the following settings are turned off: MSAA, Vsync, Stereoscopic 3D, Contact Hardening Shadows, Cloth Physics, and Subsurface Scattering. There is no set FPS limit. My GPU usage is consistently near 99%, while the CPU usage is more variable, between 45% and 65%. I keep the fans set to auto. After my last two-hour gaming session, HWinfo64 recorded an average GPU temp of 79.6 C, and a max temp of 83 C. (FPS is usually in the 50s.)

As far as fan noise goes, the fans don't get too loud to really bother me and the speakers do an adequate job of drowning them out, though not enough to truly get immersive sound - headphones are needed for that. The volume of the fan noise doesn't irritate me nearly as much as the high-pitch sound they make, which I hear is a common issue with MSI laptops, at least in the GS series. It's annoying, but not unbearable or a deal-breaker.

(Side note - I just undervolted the CPU by -160 mV and am running Prime95 to test it out, it's been running for about a 1.5 hours now and I plan to continue to run it overnight, fingers crossed! )

 

Good on the undervolt

I've heard recent reports of as much as -200mV undervolt working at load, although they dropped down to -190mV after (idle) crashes. So you might be able to do more.

And, you shouldn't need to run prime95 that long before seeing a problem. I usually give it 15 minutes during initial tuning. That should be enough to evoke a failure from too much undervolt.

The peak load testing is easy, it's the last of the idle crashes that get you when tuning for undervolt.

The CPU is usually busy doing something or another for the system services, but when the stars align, and there are no system services going on, the CPU will drop down voltage a little too far with a high undervolt and crash.

The idle undervolt crashes have happened to me after days of seemingly stable running.

Since I only OC one thing at a time from known stable settings, I know that it was most likely due to undervolt. So I bump the voltage up a little at a time, +5mV at a time, until I am stable for a week or more, then I count it as stable.

That last +-10mV undervolt can take a while to nail down.

 

Don't delete the mods. They do good work.

 

How abusive! Never, I mean never do that. It's like running a car on a dyno all day long - completely unrealistic representation of actual CPU usage.

You're better off running Fire Strike or some other benchmark overnight, but even that is a bit excessive.

 

Those days are over, unfortunately. We have garbage magnets like Facebook to thank for the junior high school mentality in social media that seems so prevalent. I'm just shocked at how rapid the decline was... didn't take very long at all to metastasize and spread to outlets like this one.

Welcome. Glad you joined us and were able to glean some useful nuggets.

Running any kind of stress test overnight is a bad idea, especially when the components most likely to be damaged or destroyed by it are soldered to the motherboard.

 

Yeah, particularly if they're soldered, lol.

 

Reports have come from this thread from various sources. The topic of the thread is the Nvidia GTX 10 series graphics cards; start a new thread if you want to discuss something else. There were posts in here about CPU performance, things like that...we can't be coming back here at the frequency we have. If that's the case we'll close the thread.

Charles

 

I'll respect your request, but you should probably edit the title to something more appropriate. Currently, it suggests to me that this thread is for discussion of notebooks with GTX 10-series GPU's. That pertains to anything regarding the notebook, which includes CPU's and soldered components.

This thread was made out of reaction to the closure my previous thread (which was specifically for the discussion of Pascal GTX 10-series GPU's).

 

It's tough to have a meaningful discussion about notebook GPUs at the exclusion of everything else. How it is attached and what kind of CPU and cooling system support it gets from each model can be a deal-breaker, too. It would be foolish to assume all notebooks sporting the same Pascal GPU model are created equal. Not every contestant deserves to get a trophy for participation.

 

I agree. I also find it quite frustrating that moderators closed my previous thread because of off-topic discussion. You don't end a Senate Committee Hearing because some loony protester snuck in and started shouting off-topic stuff. You moderate their off-topic posts. It's just laziness to close a thread, which doesn't prevent the issue from reoccurring, anyway.

I digress. It was only ever my intention to inform (and educate) the uninformed consumers / members whom view this forum. They need to know.

 

The thread should be renamed from * Official * nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread to * Official * nVidia GTX 10xx Series graphics cards discussion thread. Everything else becomes wrong, when you can't discuss different hardware solutions(cooling ant the like) in a notebook.

 

Wasn't that the name of the previous thread @J.Dre made that was closed... hence this new thread was made to encompass "Nvidia GTA10xx series notebook discussion" and all that it entails... or does @J.Dre need to go make a new one again...?

 

Errr I hope this isn't too "off topic" but posts like these are why I come to this thread. You all saved me from unnecessarily running Prime95 for hours on end on my new Pascal notebook - I cut the test off at 2 hours instead (and then I crashed into bed). Thank you. (I trust you all more than the randos on the internet who say to run Prime95 for 12 or 24 or even 48 hours, that seemed a bit nuts to me anyway!)

 

Good on you bro. Sharing knowledge is a wonderful thing.

I've always found using few different benchmarks is usually enough to let me know I'm 100% stable - 3Dmark 11 and Vantage are just a couple that are brilliant for this.
Who has time to let their computer redline for 24 hours anyway.

 

@Charles P. Jefferies

Its always hard in threads like this. We've talked extensively about the 10xx series cards but theres a lull right now in the release of new ones. While I'd certainly agree we went off topic, the information was also pretty useful for anyone reading through it. How do you decide if its worth allowing or not? Im sure we'd be more on topic once the 1050 is announced. Off topic but about cpus seems a lot more harmless than off topic and about baseball or something.

 

I NEEED to know what BGA is before I buy a laptop, not afterwards and not by searching obscure threads! I haven't had access to this information before and it costed me money. A TON OF MONEY!

These are notebooks, we can't exclude the GPU from the entire motherboard, even more so when it's BGA as 99% of laptops are. Let me know what I'm spending my money on.

Okay, I finished now...

Back to GPU discussion

I've noticed a lack of information over displays and display technology too. Seems that IPS can also develop screen burn in, like AMOLED does. I don't know if the screens I've seen were put in direct sunlight or just developed it, but it was clear that it was from Chrome and it was from using a black skin and the white address bad was visible in the display. I wonder if this is something that is repaired in warranty.

Something much more GPU related (lol). I've been comparing GTX 1070 and GTX 1080, and was considering the following: Many have noticed a higher temperature with GTX 1080 in laptops like P775, so I was wondering if I could actually get better performance by getting a GTX 1070 and overclokcing it in a P775 vs a throttling or overheating GTX 1080 in P775?

 

Since this thread is supposedly about Pascal GPU's and nothing else, I'll leave these here:

http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/tech-news-nvidia-getting-samsung-produce-14nm-pascal-gpus-end-2016
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53375/nvidias-next-gen-gpus-made-14nm-samsung/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/224976/samsung-to-optical-shrink-nvidia-pascal-to-14-nm

The market is moving quickly. More GPU's incoming! Unfortunately, there will not be any substantial gains in performance over 16nm GPU's. My guess is that the rest of the Pascal lineup will be 14nm: the Ti series has yet to come, and we have yet to see the 1050, 1040, etc. before the end of the year.

@Georgel: The 1070 can be overclocked another 10% or so fairly easily, as far as I know. It has the best performance : dollar ratio, in my opinion.

 

If this thread is seriously only supposed to be about mobile Pascal GPUs in the strictest sense, can we make a new thread where we can discuss not just Pascal GPUs, but have general discussion about all of the the hardware that comes in new notebooks that have Pascal GPUs? If such a thread is better placed somewhere like the "Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades" forum, that's fine. All of the discussion in this thread about things that aren't strictly Pascal GPU related--Optimus, CPU performance/undervolting/temps, cooling solutions, modularity, connectivity, displays, etc.--has been very helpful to me in choosing to buy the Pascal notebook that I bought and in tuning it. I don't want this thread to get closed or for people to get in trouble, but I also don't want such discussion to terminate either. I'm new to gaming notebooks, and I have learned so much from this thread (and the predecessor thread started by @J.Dre ) over the past several months, including learning about CPU stress testing literally just a few hours ago, and it's been incredibly helpful. I hope we can continue to have these general discussions about Pascal-equipped notebooks--in a new thread, if not here.

 

After reading those articles it seems to me that the upcoming move from NVidia to also produce GPUs in 14nm (as opposed to just the 16nm currently) is due to quantity of supply issues, and not performance related - so it looks like it doesn't mean newer & better Pascal GPUs.

 

I am really glad you're benefiting from open discussion about next generation notebooks (those with Pascal) in general. I think that was a misconception by the person(s) that summoned an administrator in an effort to censor anti-BGA discussion. It does not appear that the intent was ever to be limited to discussion about Pascal mobile graphics exclusively.

 

That's my thinking as well - not necessarily new but rather the launch of rest of the lineup on a slightly altered architectural change due to availability of the process. That's at least what I was attempting to hint at there in my post: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-device-id-gp-102-gpu-confirmed/ - Plenty of unknown ID's there we have yet to see.

 

Yeah. You can't find important info what notebook with Pascal 10xx series graphics you should buy in this thread anymore. Only talking about graphics can't give you all the info you need.

 

In light of requests, we'll leave this thread for open discussion on the notebooks featuring Nvidia Pascal graphics cards, not only the graphics cards.

Thanks for your feedback.

Charles

 

Joining NBR and learning what BGA is and what Optimus is and why I was screwed really opened my eyes.

Imagine this: Me. Spend a ton on a laptop that was sold to me by an official shop as high end and can-do-all laptop. Got home. Installed windows after 7 hours of trying (USB drives were not detected). Then tried to play something. 5fps in Assasin creed. Okay - time to return. But then, it wasn't even bought from my money, I had to borrow some money... But so be it. So I had no idea why it wasn't working or why it was worse than what I had before (and what I sold for 100$). Proceeded with installing additional drivers, tweaking drivers, tweaking registires. Nothing. Started using Nvidia Inspector to manually set flags for apps, but it didn't work after a reboot. (In windows 8.1 it didn't work at all, and windows 10 was not released yet, I used windows 10 preview for a week or so). Okay... Called Acer Romania to clear up with them. Nothing. Then I started reading around here and in the meanwhile the drivers were corrected (Nvidia drivers were broken at first when win10 was launched and win8.1 drivers were totally broken for this laptop, and as far as I know, they still are.

Okay again....

They released something functional (to say the least) after a few months. Imagine: Paying a ton of money for something that doesn't work nor was supposed to but no review told me I was going to go through this. And I read all the reviews on all sites, in every language they came in.

This place helped me understand only later on what I was supposed to buy and why. Because I believed that all reviews are fair and true and I believed the ads on laptops and such...

We need this place to stay informative on all aspects of buying a laptop, because this information is hard to come by. Most forums are oblivious to what a BGA GPU means, and what Optimus can do, most shops will tell to your face that it will work magic, but when you go with problems, they tell you that they can't take it back, and even if they can take it back, all mainstream laptops under 1000$ are Optimus and they will tell you that they can't help you more either way.

I'm shocked that AMD GPUs even bad as they are, they don't imply the problems Optimus implies on their notebooks.

If they do that, let's hope they can lower the temperatures, even if by a little bit! (Shouldn't smaller nodes work better with lower temps?)

But one more thing, neither of the articles don't tell a single word on which series of GPUs are contracted with Samsunng. They could just be talking about the mobile, not Nvidia GPUs in general.

 

Thanks a lot for understanding our needs!

 

Yeah. Purchase a new expensive notebook only based on info about the graphics card and not the whole package, isn't a good advice or smart!!

 

@Charles P. Jefferies

I don't know what other requests you received, but my complaint and the others that were discussing this BGA bashing were trying to get the BGA garbage talk and BGA owner and potential owner harassment out of this and other threads at NBR, not the well rounded discussion of Pascal laptops here.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-203#post-10338149

The BGA bashing trash talk has been the problem here, not just here, but elsewhere at NBR - using the example of the recently closed Acer 21x thread.

This bad behavior has ended up squelching BGA laptop open discussion, and has been going on for a long time, but has gotten particularly disruptive recently - again.

Can we please have a rule about "no anti-BGA bashing" in general for NBR? The wholesale strong arm tactics for selling Clevo LGA laptops is a particular form of this that is most annoying. The disrespectful abusive posts are easy to spot.

Let the BGA bashers have a thread to discuss their BGA hate and express it openly with the hate speech they seem to enjoy spewing out, if they must. And please move, not delete, the posts that disrupt threads into this BGA Bashing thread.

It's the disrespectful onslaught of abuse to owners and potential buyers of BGA CPU'd laptops that we are all tired of and wanted stopped, not the well rounded discussions that stray OT at times.

Thank you Charles.

 

While I won't go against you here, we should warn people every now and then. I'm just a burnt customer who doesn't want anyone to get through the same thing...

Let's not be all about BGA but about Optimus and what we really need to avoid. BGA in itself implies the risk of not solving a problem without costly repairs. If we're to be adults about it, a BGA laptop in high end is something bad if it doesn't come with 4 years of no questions asked warranty (like how AW warranty used to be a while ago...).

But Optimus should NOT be taken lightly. There are a lot of readers that don't post, this is the only place on internet that has any information on these things, a really nice place to inform.

I personally want to like all companies, but I'm sure all of them are great for some people! Some business directors need Dell XPS with Ultra low voltage CPUs, but really cool design, while enthusiasts / professionals need socketed 6700k.

Some people don't need 6700k for their workflow, but even so...

At this moment, Clevo is the last company that makes socketed laptops for both CPU and GPU as far as my knowledge goes. If they die off, we won't have from where to buy what we wish and it will lead to customer frustration and eventually market collapse (due to boycott).

Maybe it is a bit unfair that a laptop with far less hardware is priced the same as a laptop with way more hardware inside and maybe turning a blind eye only affects the customers, demand can force the market price and future products to go up or down, why not simply motivate companies to stop selling us marketing and start selling us products? At this price range, we're not going to see people who don't read on what they buy, or they come here to inform.

Let's take a look at Pascal GPUs, to stay on thread!

Nvidia has allowed every company to vastly change the clock speed and power consumption of this card. This means that people could fit an 1080 inside a 14", but lower it's power to be equivalent to a stronger 1060 or so. (Like ultra lov voltage CPUs).

Maybe this will lead to performance across laptop models for the same GPU to be very different and then the whole fight becomes more relevant as those laptops that are big and sport heavy cooling will have a strong GTX 1080 and those laptops that shrunk it will not be as strong, leading again to buyer's remorse and frustration.

 

It's funny how, after all of this time, I finally decide to build a desktop because I'm tired of waiting to see if a good laptop will be released, only to find the parts I want for my desktop build are back-ordered. Doesn't look like I'll be able to enjoy gaming for a long while. Hmm, now I wonder if a good laptop will be out by then...?

Can never seem to find that one perfect system.

 

The irony is that for most gaming scenarios, a gaming laptop would satisfy you very well. Even an older laptop can make smooth 60fps in any game in ultra FHD. An 1080 based laptop should be able to pull 60fps on 4K ultra.

Thinking about it, if I were to buy a gaming laptop, I would be very happy with most of what's on market right now for the high end.

 

OT: What are you building?

On topic: I think BGA discussions can stay in as laptops are systems and one cant simply look at one part.

No, you cant. Minimum two titan XPs needed for that.

 

...until the next generation of faster GPU's from Nvidia / AMD are released

 

@Charles P. Jefferies

I agree that in normal situations we wouldn't even think twice about someone responding with LGA alternatives for BGA laptops, it's the relentless BGA "puke" "turdbook" "garbage" mockery and disrespectful abuse that is the problem.

When presented with LGA as an alternative, and the person(s) say they aren't interested, then stop bugging them.

It's the constant onslaught from multiple people pushing LGA and Clevo in every thread that is the problem.

It doesn't take long, usually 1 post, for it to start getting ugly, it's that behavior that has ruined open discussion of BGA laptops by the BGA Bashers - LGA proponents.

Pages and pages of relentless mindless BS spewing forth about how people are idiots for not getting an LGA CPU in every laptop.

Obliterating the threads from being enjoyed by those that just want to talk about the topic of the thread.

It's not reasonable talk about CPU's for laptops in well rounded discussions, it's the disrespectful abuse that needs to be stopped.

How can this be confusing?

It's clear which posts are looking to help people, and which posts are being used to abuse people.