*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Every single company keeps pushing 9xxm based laptops on markets in Romania right now. (except for Clevo)

Romanian buyers are probably the least informed buyers, but it still feels bad seeing how there are new ultra marketed models coming in with GTX9XXm GPUs even though we now could have new laptops with Pascal GPUs...

But it's actually the buyer's fault too if they keep buying them right now (talking about top end models 980m and 970m). If they won't read before ordering a 2000 EUR laptop and buy whatever they see in shop, putting those laptops in shop maybe wasn't so wrong in the first place ..

 

A move to get rid of stock no doubt plus msi and asus etc are prepping for general launch in other countries first probably

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It doesn't need to be "desktop CPU".. just a socketed CPU. The old mobile xxxx MX/XM did the trick mighty well.

I wouldn't survive with a 45 watt CPU. Project Cars demolishes overclocks going above 80fps.
Mate... I want dem frames.

 

That's my point tho', there aren't any laptop socketed CPU's available for manufacturers to design in to new laptop's, leaving desktop only CPU's.

Desktop CPU's in laptops with their accompanying high power and thermal requirements turns the great idea into a "One Sledge Hammer Fit's All" solution.

I just don't see the need to jump from 45w to 91w in a laptop, maybe 65w, certainly not 35w - but that might be where laptop CPU's are going.

We might end up yearning for the good 'ole days of 45w CPU's

 

All the game play videos on 1080/1070 at 1080p show 99% GPU load and only 50% CPU load, Project Cars is GPU bound, no benefit to a desktop CPU in this game...CPU issues on game release seem to have been resolved.

 

6700k worked swimmingly well in my last P870. It was 4.7Ghz as a daily driver. I don't mind a future using desktop chips to be honest. Remember even the 2920/60x 3920/40xm were basically factory delidded K series desktop chips anyway.

Cmon man. Project cars is one of the biggest CPU hogs out there.

 

Watch some 1080/1070 current day videos, I'm only seeing 40-50% CPU utilization while the GPU is at 99%, in 1080p. @4k it's even less CPU utilization.

It's possible the release day CPU bottlenecking issues have been resolved. I do recall hearing this over a year ago, but multiple gameplay videos show it's not happening now on the Pascal / Maxwell GPU gameplay videos.

Check your own in game CPU / GPU utilization @1080p and @4k, what does it look like now with your Project Cars updated game?

 

I can't check now since I don't have my beast. Remember we're talking about shooting for high fps at 1080p here. Digital Foundry did a nice video on it a while back, I can't seem to find it.

Regardless, it scales extremely well on the top end with more clocks. You could make bring a GPU to it's knee's if you wanted too.

 

Ah, congrats on the new incoming rig, a 120Hz 1080p screen paired with the awesome GTX 1080 and desktop 6700K CPU - excellent!! I think for stable 120fps gaming then the fastest CPU you can afford is the way to go, but for 60fps gaming I think mobile CPUs like the 6700hq are fine, even my ancient CPU doesn't cause me any bottlenecks.

 

Man you missed the point of what I'm saying. First off, enthusiast doesn't mean gaming. So I agree while gaming doesn't get impacted heavily by a 6820hk vs a 6700k, other tasks can be. I do work all the time that's intensive with compilers where the difference is easily noticeable. When your paying 5000 dollars for a laptop, why should you be compromising on the cpu? And yeah I say a desktop cpu because we clearly see its possible to do, why revert to mobile ones? In fact the P870 isn't the ultimate enthusiast laptop I would want either, I would prefer something on the X99 platform. Look at desktops, most people who don't just game will have a 6 or 8 core cpu with an sli set up while laptops have been at 4 for like a decade now.

You also misunderstand my marketing flash statement. I didn't mean that is the case with all Asus or MSI machines, I was solely talking about the behemoth flagships. There's absolutely nothing wrong with an Asus G752, MSI GT72, Acer Predator 15 or all the other gaming laptops that are intended for people to actually be able to afford. I also don't get how you think Asus couldn't fit a more powerful cpu in if its literally watercooled, but I believe they didn't do it because they think like you and have it serve solely as a gaming machine.

Asus, MSI, Acer, Clevo, Alienware etc... All do innovate and create great new technologies. But most of these are meant to compete with other companies in the competitive market levels, not the 1080 sli market. All I've been trying to say is that 5000 dollar plus laptops are mostly for publicity and marketing. It doesn't matter what features you mention and the P870DM can also be put into this category. The new features are cool, but are mostly test runs before they put them into competitively priced machines.

You think that after having used dozens of machines, from socketed, to soldered, to some combination of the two I'm incapable of forming my own opinions, and merely "corrupted" by the views of Clevo fanboys? Give me a break...

Enthusiast means nothing held back, all options available. No machines fully fit that definition on the laptop side, while the entire X99 platform handles it for desktops admirably.

 

With all the talk about the 120hz 1080p display, I went back to look at the Hardware Unboxed gaming results for the 1080 / 1070.

For both the 1070 and 1080 the 1080p gaming results show a 120hz 1080p screen wouldn't be a good match as few games get 120 fps or over, even the 1070 / 1080 OC results don't put enough games in the 120+ FPS range.

The 120hz 1080p screen will be best matched with a 1080 / 1070 SLI set up.

The single 1070 / 1080 laptops would do well matched with a 1080p 75hz-100hz screen.

UPDATE: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 & GTX 1070 Benchmarks
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/update-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-gtx-1070-benchmarks/

Spoiler: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 & GTX 1070 Benchmarks (WHQL Driver Update)

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 & GTX 1070 Benchmarks (WHQL Driver Update)

Scroll down in the article to see the game by game 1080p / 1440p / 4k performance results.

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 & GTX 1070 Overclocking Benchmark (WHQL Driver Update)
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/nvid...70-overclocking-benchmark-whql-driver-update/

Spoiler: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 & GTX 1070 Overclocking Benchmark

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 & GTX 1070 Overclocking Benchmark (WHQL Driver Update)

"As found previously the 1070 and 1080 Founder Edition graphics cards are on average 11% faster once overclocked. Compared to the 980 Ti which receives roughly a 20% performance boost through overclocking the Founder Edition graphics cards are a bit disappointing."

 

Does the MSI GT73VR 120hz screen have G-Sync?

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Yeah, it's hard to get high fps (> than 100) in triple A games (Witcher, GTA, etc) at ultra settings with a 1070, so unless you downgrade settings you are not taking advantage of the 120hz screen.

 

Guys, I have to ask this AND please don't laugh about it - smiling at best!

When and why Intel decided to stop providing mobile socketed processors? I know that after Haswell no socketed mobile processors has been announced. But I don't know the decision why Intel did that? Was there no need providing them anymore as one could stuff a K-Processore into the bad Guys and go BGA for the lighter, slimmer ones?

Did Intel what NGreedia tries now with stop supporting MXM designs and no more "m"-versions of graphic cards?

 

Intel said they weren't selling enough socketed laptop CPU's as people weren't buying them to upgrade their laptops. Few additional sales after the initial build was done.

It's tough to justify maintaining so many CPU sku's if there isn't a market for them.

There were even rumors Intel might completely drop LGA components, desktops too (2012):

Leaked Intel roadmap shows the end of socketed CPUs – the end of upgradable PCs?
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...end-of-socketed-cpus-the-end-of-upgradable-pc

 

That's understandable from Business-side, but a pity nontheless....

 

From a business perspective, it's a no-brainer for them.

• With pretty much no competition at the high end, which is the segment most likely to demand socketed hardware, there is a negligible market force pushing them to continue providing socketed hardware.
• With CPUs pseudo-permanently attached to the motherboard, you gain sales both from people upgrading laptops in the middle of a socket's lifetime and from hardware failures on the motherboard unrelated to the CPU. When I upgraded from the P870DM to the DM3, I brought my 6700K along with me. That's -1 sale for Intel.
• It saves a bit on R&D. Designing a mobile socket requires manpower. Not designing one doesn't.

 

True even so they should sell BGA to consumers at distro pricing I want a 69XXHQ. Heck...yet nobody uses it so why intel why bother? If 4000 dollar gaming laptops arent using your stupid overpriced 6900 BGAs bring the cost down its nearly macbook exclusive at this point.




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To save money...

 

Then the only logical choice for OEM's has to be going BGA full line to get the maximum revenue, which would be "unfortunate" for some of us!

@acer, ASUS: well done! You have done it right!

 

The difference here is that unlike the CPU market, there is competition here with socketed CPUs. That, and when a customer's CPU/motherboard fails under warranty, that's bad for the OEMs since instead of getting another sale out of it, they now have an additional liability (caveat: I don't know how easy it is to reball and repurpose BGA CPUs). Their savings lie in the fact that designing systems around desktop CPUs is probably more annoying since it's not officially supported by Intel, a small per-unit savings in hardware, and a potential increase in sales due to consumer demand for thinner devices.

 

You do know that are people that prefer to play @120fps in high the @60/75hz on ultra, right?

Usually the difference between high and ultra is not much. Most of the times you wouldnt know which one it was before prior knowledge and shown blindly.

Enthusiast does not automaticly mean ULTRA at all costs!

 

Lol I agree a 1080 with a 1080p 75hz display is a waste. It should have like 1440p 120 or at least 1080p 120. People always said the GTX 980 was too much for 1080p and a 1080 is like double that while games havent quite caught up in difficulty to run.

 

To be really honest - I still don't see why there's so much hate against Intel BGA. I have a socketed CPU, and I likely will never see the benefit of my MQ versus a 4710HQ. Hell, I downclock and undervolt my CPU 50% of the time, when I'm unplugged and not gaming, just to drag out my battery life.

How is it possible that despite the chip being exactly the same, there's a performance difference between the rPGA and BGA versions of the same chip? We need to test this out...

 

There isn't a difference besides Intel binning bad silicon into mobile. It's the lack of repairability/upgradeability/choice that ruffles people's feathers.

 

Then they have to provide us better binned chips, problem solved!

 

You should also be able to de-tune the 120hz refresh down to reach the average FPS of your favorite game @ Ultra settings

The average FPS in 1070 / 1080 games as people like to run, with all the eye candy turned up, just doesn't support a 120hz 1080p/1440p screen.

You can get'em and run'em, but you will be busy tuning down the effects in most games to make speed.

Better to get an IPS 75hz screen and OC it to 100-110hz, and reach that refresh range, and save $250 upgrade cost on that TN 120hz screen.

Plus you get an IPS screen instead of a TN

 

Upgradeability? What sort of upgrades? 90% of the machines with an i7-4710HQ (or even a 6700HQ) would probably be incapable of cooling anything more. Take, for example, my W230SS. At full tilt (P95 100% load), my CPU already begins to thermal-throttle with 32°C ambient temperatures. Worse, the CPU offloads some of its heat to the GPU because of the way the heatpipes are arranged in my notebook.

I am all for MXM GPUs. But upgrading CPUs is pointless, given that one would have to change notebooks every 2-3 years for a new socket anyway. For a person like me who wants his computers to last around half a decade, that is untenable.

 

None of my desktop / laptop upgradeable CPU sockets got upgrades after the initial build / purchase, there just weren't better CPU choices available, and still aren't.

The sockets were left behind after new chipset's with a new generation of CPU's shipped, and dropped support for the previous generation socket - no new CPU's for upgrading.

And, I haven't had a single BGA CPU fail in service. So, no repairs needed.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1080-Desktop-Review-Pascal-has-arrived.165500.0.html

Even rise of the tomb raider type games are 100+ fps ultra.

 

Look at the benchmark results article I posted, it shows some games over 100 fps, but few over 120 fps @ 1080p, RotTR is in those results.

The review you posted has more games closer to 120 FPS, so if that's your game mix, you might be safe getting a 120hz refresh TN screen

At 1440p, even fewer games are at 120+ FPS.

And, 100+ FPS *isn't* 120+ FPS

I'd still prefer OC'ing a IPS screen to 100hz+ than underclocking a 120hz TN to match game avg FPS.

 

See the example I gave earlier. I saved a fair amount by transferring my 6700K to my P870DM3 from my P870DM. Also, as @Mr. Fox mentioned earlier, socketed mobile processors were exorbitantly expensive, so one way to extend the life of a system was to purchase the standard tier and upgrade to the XM/MX once prices dropped to reasonable levels.

See above. Also, I haven't had any CPUs fail on me before either except for a 920. But I've lost count of the number of laptops I've owned where the power socket has gone on the fritz, especially for coaxial connectors. I'm sure many people have also experienced damage or wear and tear to an I/O port before as well. Out of warranty? Too bad, buy a new motherboard + CPU combo to fix your 3.5mm jack.

 

... But these are gsync or soon to be gsync displays. And no, most shooters benefit from it as well. Black ops 3, overwatch, battlefront, and rainbow 6 are all easily over 120fps. It makes no sense to only go 120 on sli setups when going over 75 is so easy. Just cause 3, far cry primal, hell most games on the list overall are way over 75hz. Sure witcher 3 isnt all that high, but most are. Why are you in favor of limiting options? Though I will say your compromise for OCing the screen to 100hz is a good option, but most people wont be doing that.

 

That's due to finding out that the 120hz screens are really TN, not IPS as once thought.

If I need to live with that screen all the time I'd rather it be IPS than TN.

I already have a long history of running laptop IPS displays at 100hz, so kinda used to living that way.

Why give up IPS for TN for 20hz more?

 

What runs your previous laptop if you took the CPU out to put in your new laptop??

To sell or use the old laptop you will need to buy a CPU for it too - savings balanced out with that purchase.

I haven't had any IO ports die either... no keyboard failures, no trackpad failures, no speaker failures, etc, etc.

No need for repairs, all Asus and MSI laptops, over 11 years.

 

Not necessarily. I can sell it as a barebones and the end user can put in the CPU of their choice. Of course, it will be discounted accordingly, but since I paid extra for a binned CPU, I get to take that with me.

If you've never had to repair anything on a laptop, more power to you. I have, and I'm sure many others have as well.

 

Oh, I have had to have laptop repairs, just not since I switched from Dell and HP to Asus and MSI

 

The Asus I have right now, G750JM, had a dead sata slot out of the box, DVD drive died a couple months in, and track pad has been dead for a year, tried to RMA the laptop a few weeks in but ASUS has the worse warranty and support I have ever seen from a company, hands down... they never fixed or replaced anything, ended up being stuck with it, needless to say I will never buy Asus again .

We all have had different experiences, you had good ones, mine was horrendous, guess I got unlucky, but that doesn't excuse ASUS useless warranty in Europe .

 

Why on earth would you be undeclocking a panels refresh rate for match the fps? Please don't say for tearing...

There's only a handful of modern games that run under 100fps in the kind of hardware we're talking about.

Just about every game I had ran at 120+ fps using my old 980ti (1070 level of performance). Then the older games pretty much all go stratospheric. Usually only sacrificing AA.
Good times ahead!

 

That doesn't sound right, didn't you send it in under RMA to get the SATA port fixed??

Never have heard of Asus not honoring warranty repairs unless the owner was responsible for the damage.

That's an out of warranty laptop now, probably over a year.

It had a 2 year warranty, how could you not get it fixed?

 

On SLI 980m 100hz / 100 fps for all games except for a couple of them, and yes without G-sync it helps to set the refresh to the average game FPS and limit FPS to match. Been doing that and recommending that for a long time.

Since you don't have G-sync, give that a try for the games that run under 120 fps and have tearing

It helps reduce load on the GPU/CPU, temps and fan noise, to limit the FPS to the screen refresh.

You are getting a 1080 SLI right?, so a 120hz 1080p or 1440p fits just fine

Too bad it's TN, without G-sync...

Pushing the limit of the GPU's @ 120 fps is gonna make those cooling fan's sing

 

I had other parts fail on me.

The CPUs did not fail, but many other parts failed, and because they had to change the entire motherboard more than once, it was a real pain.

At least with socketed variants, you can change only the motherboard instead of having to buy a motherboard + CPU + GPU setup.

 

Yeah, I had 980 Ti sli, and I literally left it off while I still had a 1080p monitor because I was getting 120+ fps easily with just one card in pretty much everything. 1070 and 1080 sli can perform quite well at 4K 60hz, dropping the resolution from there should only be if your increasing you fps. A 1080 on the bf1 beta would get 100+ fps by itself at 1440p.

 

Yes? The P870DM3 hasn't sold without the 120Hz panel. I have never seen the 60Hz 1080p panel offered for it. Just because it wasn't G-sync certified from the get-go doesn't mean the panel changed. The owners in the Sager lounge should all have it; I doubt all of them have the 4K panel.

And since the AUO panel is AHVA (different company's name for IPS; same tech), it's IPS.

 

It was about 3 years ago actually, I didn't realize right away about the sata slot, since I was waiting on my 500gb SSD to arrive, the ASUS support rep I was in contact with said it was up to the store to replace it, the store said it was up to ASUS, this was about 15 days after purchase, so I technically couldn't return it to the store, I got jerked around by store reps an ASUS reps for a while, both refused to do what had to be done, tried for like 2-3 weeks every day, then my apartment got broken into, so I lost my old laptop amongst other things, and couldn't afford to be without a computer for an extended period of time, I just gave up .

Either way for ASUS it should have been as simple as saying, let me email you the RMA form, sadly things did not go that way .

 

What brand support "shot-gunned" the motherboard multiple times to solve a problem? Sounds like a poor support debugging problem.

That's the problem these days with some support organizations, they won't do component level debugging.

 

That's not Asus's fault, that's your personal situation denying you from taking advantage of Asus warranty RMA, don't blame that on Asus.

You missed the return period, and you couldn't be without the laptop, that's on you, not Asus.

 

It's not IPS, if it's AHVA is still not better than TN in color reproduction, but better in off angle viewing. So it's an improved TN, it's not related to IPS.

AUO AHVA
http://www.auo.com/?sn=1282&lang=en-US

I don't believe this, they say it's like PLS, but it's not. They say it's AUO's version of IPS, and I don't believe that either.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm#ahva

And, I didn't say get a 60hz panel, I said get the 75hz IPS G-sync panel, and OC it to 100hz+.

Let us know how you all like the 120hz AHVA panel without G-sync.

 

Yeah I realize that, but I would have gotten the RMA form after the first email I sent support telling them my sata slot was dead, it wouldn't have been a problem, instead I fought 2-3 weeks with them and got circle jerked, when they should have been apologizing and handing me an RMA form, if I recall correctly when I finally got the RMA form, and I was speaking to a rep, the Laptop had to go all the way back to Asia, and it was going to take over a month to get a replacement, I don't know if things have changed here in Europe with Asus RMA process but that is absurdly long .

 

When you buy the laptop the retailer has a return period, usually 15-30 days, if you find something wrong during that time you return it.

If they give you static, telling you to talk to the vendor, tell them you aren't interested in keeping the laptop, it's not a good fit for your needs, and please return my money - now

When you get the laptop always register it right after the return period is up, register it online with Asus, or whoever.

With Asus you can request an RMA via a ticket online while logged in to your registration account for the laptop.

It's easy, there is no RMA form to get - where did you get that idea?

In response to the ticket you filed you get an RMA number and a mailer (from some vendors) to put on the shipping box. If you lost your original box Asus will send you a new one to safely ship your laptop to them.

And you had 2 years to figure this out

It's not Asus's fault.