*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

BIOS updates don't enable G-sync, the GPU and Display are either G-sync out the gate, or they are forever non-G-sync paired hardware - a BIOS update won't change the GPU capability or the Display ID.

You would need to have at least the GPU swapped for a G-sync CPU, and more than likely as part of G-sync qualification for a Display it's ID will change to the "certified" version, while the old version remains distinctly non-G-sync.

 

Why not? Like as I said, my GT72VR 6RE out of the box didn't show G-Sync capability. Once I updated BIOS, G-Sync appeared.

 

Because You have the G-Sync card. There is two options graphics. One with and one without G-Stink

 

It isn't the GPU that needs to be gsync certified. All the modern cards can. The display port connection used by the display also is standard and supports it. Its just the panel that needs to be gsync certified

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For internal Gsync you need a Gsync GPU. Non Gsync (internal) Pascal cards are in fact different.

External Gsync is a different story where just about anything will do.

 

BIOS is only part of it, your Display and GPU were also internal Display G-sync enabled.

If you don't have a G-sync certified display and a GPU with internal display G-sync support, a BIOS update won't do anything - that was my point.

Clevo for example has been shipping a 1080p 120hz 5ms display without G-sync certification, and the GPU Clevo pair with that display is also non-G-Sync supporting for the internal display.

The Clevo 120hz 1080p non-G-sync owner would have to send in his laptop and get a GPU that supports internal display G-sync and have a Display that is recognized by the Nvidia driver as Nvidia Certified *and* a G-sync supporting BIOS update.

If your laptop was shipping with a GPU that was internal display G-sync supporting, and your display was certified by Nvidia for G-sync - adds the ID to the Nvidia display driver, then a BIOS update would work.

Clevo isn't doing that, and neither will other vendors that aren't expecting the internal display to get certified - no need to build in an internal G-sync GPU unless the internal display is or will soon be certified.

IDK if other vendors ship all one kind of GPU, that's also possible, they might all be internal G-sync supporting GPU's, but that costs the vendor money, so I seriously doubt it.

 

Yes, obviously your monitor and dGPU must be G-Sync capable.
But what I'm trying to explain is that reviews/resellers and some users talks about GT72VR has no g-sync and they probably DIDN'T updated the BIOS. That's the reason why they think it has not GSYNC. And people are now thinking that this laptop has no g-sync when, actually, it has gsync. Not out the box, but yes, it's GSYNC capable.

 

Yeah, that's another problem

MSI did the right thing if they shipped with a BIOS that allowed a non-G-sync Certified panel to co-exist with a G-sync GPU, that could be easily fixed / G-sync enabled with a new BIOS update.

Clevo apparently wasn't certain the panel would eventually pass Certification, and didn't want to ship a laptop that would never be certified and never be able to be converted to G-sync. Also the right thing to do.

This is the fun stuff to be avoided by watching from the sidelines until all the bugs / production hitches are solved, and all the laptops are released, so you can see the whole field of choices to make an informed decision.

It's also possible those particular laptop builds weren't shipping with any G-sync parts, and will never be G-sync enabled through a BIOS update, just saying, you can't assume anything.

 

The problem I have with MSI is they have too much different version of the "same" laptop, so for the end consumer and even for them (their Help Desk people) are confusing as heck.

 

Asus has the same problem, lots of "regional" variations. Supply, licenses, local restrictions, all come into play to keep these global companies from being able to release a homogeneous product universally.

That's why I always suggest asking the seller to send you a photo of the inventory listed on the side of the box, not the generic list of stuff plastered all over all the boxes in all the regions, but the actual build list for that specific unit.

Lots of people get surprised even though they think they know what they are getting.

Usually it is minor, but sometimes it's not... that's why you gotta check immediately by doing a physical inventory when you get the laptop, use Windows and other tools to find out just what really is installed where. And, do it before the seller return period is over.

 

Yes, but even the local reseller has no idea what they have. If you ask where I bought mine, they will tell you that it has not G-Sync. Because, for example, the GT72VR has NOTHING in the box what makes you think it is G-SYNC capable.
Weird movements from MSI.

 

The inventory list wouldn't list it as G-sync capable if it wasn't G-sync certified when boxed.

That would be something for the customer to find out in the MSI laptop support area when/where the BIOS update should say something to the effect of enabling G-sync.

A tricky legal situation where MSI couldn't really claim anything about G-sync on the box, or inform / make promises to the buyer.

 

It must be certified since they provide official update for the BIOS and the vBIOS to enable the G-Sync.
I think they have generic boxes and print some stuff and **** on them, but not all the specifications they should.



Hmm... sorry for the OT.

 

It all comes down to timing. MSI couldn't claim the boxed product was G-sync certified because at the time it was boxed up, it wasn't.

When the certification was given, and the BIOS was updated and posted, those previously boxed laptops couldn't be updated easily in the field - and too costly to ship them back to be updated.

MSI may not update laptops in the boxes, but new production laptops should be shipping in updated boxes - or have the mountain of pre-printed boxes get "G-sync" enabled stickers

It's not really off-topic, we are talking about Pascal GPU laptops, and their G-sync status.

If you have a MSI laptop without G-sync, check your product support page to see if there is a BIOS update to enable G-sync for your model.

I'd say that is not only on topic, but very important information

It shouldn't be limited to the GT72 models, it should be any model with that display.

Which make/model of display is affected?

 

As far as I know, the GT72VR 6RE (6RE -> GTX1070) must be G-Sync capable, besides the lack of information in the box.
The rest of the models (GT62, GT72 6RD -which has the GTX1060) , I don't know.

 

It's possible it's the card that wasn't certified, but we have been hearing of display's being the item not certified.

Can you please check your display Make/Model using a tool like hwinfo64 to dig into the hardware description for the details?

Thanks!

It will look something like this:

 

There you go.

 

Now I'm a bit confused about this unit (The reseller is based on Spain):

https://www.pccomponentes.com/msi-g...core-i7-6700hq-16gb-1tb-256ssd-gtx1060-15-6--

It clearly states in the specs that the GTX 1060 is G-Sync capable. But what about the panel itself? According to the owners lounge in NBR, the people who bought the GT62VR from the US and UK confirmed both the 6RD and 6RE have G-Sync capable panels. It should be the same panel for pretty much all regions, right?

 

Yes, it should be g-sync capable. You can always send it back and get refund if you don't like it.

 

The reason I want G-Sync is because I don't want Optimus to interfere with my games and daily usage. The CPU will be less hot with the iGPU disabled (and -160mv undervolting), and the games will look smooth with frame limiting to whatever refresh rate minus 1. Battery life doesn't matter

So yes, I'm definitely asking for a refund if I find out the panel isn't G-Sync capable.

 

Thanks, so that's a native 75hz G-sync screen (after the BIOS update)?

This looks not so good...

Problem screen LGD046E (from LG Philips)
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/966304/problem-screen-lgd046e-from-lg-philips-/

 

You may be mixing things up here, a bit

Having Optimus is a completely separate thing from having G-sync.

"getting G-sync" won't get rid of Optimus.

G-sync isn't possible when running iGPU / Optimus, because the dGPU is running through the iGPU.

Enabling G-sync doesn't get rid of Optimus/iGPU, it enables internal display G-sync through the dGPU but only when the dGPU is connected directly to the internal display.

If your laptop is Optimus only, it will never have G-sync, and always have Optimus only.

 

Lol, you don't get my point.
If a laptop is G-Sync capable, Optimus can't ever be enabled, because the display must be 100% wired to the dGPU for G-Sync to be fully operating. Optimus and G-Sync are quite contradictory and cannot coexist, even when the laptop is featuring an MUX switch.

BTW, I kinda get your point, and I'm fully aware a G-Sync capable laptop will NOT have Optimus. That's what I want.

 

Before BIOS update -> no G-Sync, 60hz.
After BIOS update -> G-Sync enabled, 75 hz.

No problems so far with the display.

 

It was the way you were saying it that was confusing

" The reason I want G-Sync is because I don't want Optimus to interfere with my games and daily usage.

So yes, I'm definitely asking for a refund if I find out the panel isn't G-Sync capable."

First, why would you buy a laptop without knowing ahead of time that it was Optimus-free and G-sync-enabled?

As it turns out, there are laptops that have iGPU / dGPU and no Optimus - but apparently some have Optimus as part of the iGPU mode - it's not pure iGPU as with Optimus it will also switch to the dGPU.

That would make me unhappy. If I got a MUX switched iGPU/dGPU laptop, I want the iGPU mode to be pure iGPU so I can get the most battery life.

So many details to make sure you get right *before* buying a new laptop

 

Did you read that thread on Nvidia Geforce Support?

This sounds like a potentially bad situation...

Problem screen LGD046E (from LG Philips)
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/966304/problem-screen-lgd046e-from-lg-philips-/

 

I have tested right now dual monitor via HDMI. Both displays (laptop, and TV) looks perfect.
I have 0 issues. I already discussed with this guy in MSI forums. I think he has a problem in its unit.

 

...And that's why the physical MUX switch is there for you. It ensures the iGPU and dGPU will never work together, and all it takes is a button click and a restart.

Yeah, sorry for making it sound like Optimus works with G-Sync. By Saying I don't want Optimus to interfere, I definitely meant it wouldn't exist from the first place to interfere
And btw, having a G-Sync capable panel is also an insurance for your laptop to not feature optimus or an iGPU mode, provided there is no physical switch. It's a dice roll in my case: If the GT62VR doesn't feature a G-Sync panel in my area, then it features Optimus. If G-Sync can be enabled later via a Bios update, the iGPU cannot be wired to the display, and therefore the laptop is dGPU only.

 

Your monitor/display hardware info says it's 8 bit, not 6 bit, so that's good,

He said the banding doesn't happen at 75hz+, but was visible at 60hz, but what was he looking at to see the banding? A specific image or desktop image?

How odd.

 

I heard from some members in the French MSI forum that 60Hz in 6-bit mode looks better and more eye friendly than 100Hz-6Bit mode. Changing the value to 8 bit again after switching to 60Hz causes the color banding problems to be back...
A serious issue indeed, but I believe it can be fixed with a driver update.

 

I dont know. And I hope I never know it xD.

 

Do the msi gt73's have a mux switch?

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Yes, it has a dedicated dGPU/iGPU button and it requires a restart. The GT73VR however is a bit too expensive.

 

Gimped rumors incoming about gimped 1050 cards: http://videocardz.com/63728/nvidia-to-launch-geforce-gtx-1050-and-gtx-1050-ti

So the 1050 Ti with 768 cores and the 1050 (without Ti) with 640 cores.

Man... I understand we should have different performances in different systems, but no one needs...

- a "normal" 1060... and a gimped 1060
- a "normal" 1050... and a gimped 1050

F*** this s***... why can't we have simply 1 card for each category "High, Medium, Low"?

 

Yes, pure iGPU for battery work and pure dGPU for full power on AC.

 

Not at all, it's priced less than the GT72S with a 980 was in the previous generation.

You need to find out all the models of the GT73 with the GPU you want, and find the one with the least added RAM and SSD storage, and then it's priced just right

 

That's where I was coming from. Comparing the 120hz 1080p vs the 60Hz eDP 4k which may or may not be overclockable. With the 1070.

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When you are adding in all the top premium options in a model, you have to expect the top pricing too

Don't expect the 4k 60hz to OC, the best reported so far is 64hz

There is supposed to be a 120hz 4k coming, but IDK how anyone's gonna feed it quick enough to hang tough at 120 fps @ 4k

 

Has anyone tried to oc the 4k monitor set to 1080p? Or is that not a thing?

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Ugh...p650rs-g 4k or gt73vr titan 4k-226? If the p670 had a 4k option it would be between those two. I know one is about 1700 vs 2400 us. Is the price msi asking worth the extra 700? I will be traveling with it... so that's a thing. I'm also interested with on board speakers. I don't always need to use headphones, so do the gt73 toast the p650?

And finally what about resale value or I guess the chance to upgrade the gt73 to Volta? Because I totally see myself wanting Volta when it comes out. Will the p650 hold a similar percent resale value or will one be easier to resale over the other? The msi also has a 1 yr accidental damage warranty for whatever that's worth over the p650...

Thanks in advance!

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It's a thing, but no reports, I wouldn't expect it to work any better, scaling still pushes the same rate of data for the redraws.

 

If you find the right buyer you can get full value from both, but MSI is more recognizable to more people.

Let us know what you decide

 

I think the GT73VR has an MXM 3.0 (or 3.1) GPU, which is not the case in Clevo (correct me if I'm wrong), it also has 2 PCIE SSDs configured in raid 0. If you customize the Clevo to match the GT73's specs, I think the price will be about the same.
I'd still cjoose the GT73 because it comes bundled with Windows 10 and useful MSI utilities. The bloatware can be removed any time.

 

Why 2 Power Adapters for Dual GTX 1080 Laptops?

 

Why so complicated? Get a laptop with a Desktop-CPU. You'll have no hassle with Optimus and MOAR power!

 

One of the best advices I have heard

 

From my personal point of view, I'd have to compromise things I don't really want to (Battery life, also they are out of my budget). That's why a mux'ed laptop is perfect for some people, like me The P650RP6 will be good for some time given the use it'll have (Some not-too-heavy gaming, University)

BGAcrapbook, yeh, but Clevo's ease manteinability and @Prema doing wonders with his BIOS mods make 'em a good buy when "on the cheap".

In summary, MUX'ed lappys are great when you want some degree of portability and an LGA laptop is not in your budget

 

First review of the Aorus v6s I've seen:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/laptop/97201-aorus-x5-v6/

Not exactly deep or thorough enough for this audience, but broadly it looks like it still has a noise problem. G-sync destroys battery life but no Optimus naturally and over 3 hours isn't terrible for a machine like this. Woulda been nice if it had a mux :/

Edit: also a mini Youtube review

 

So, that's a 15" laptop with a 3K screen, I'd rather have a classic 1080p screen for a small laptop like that, plus get more frames per second too, but I would say that because I have a 17" laptop with 900p screen - I'm a heathen! Yeah, so 120Hz 1080p screen with that 1070 would be excellent, I'm pleased to see some manufacturers offer 120Hz screens, but there's not enough (this manufacturer included!)!

 

Actually, on the product page it does say that 120hz 1080p will be an option, and I'm with you on that - I want that version. If I spring for a 1070 instead of a 1060, I think that'll be the one I get.