*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

We have a nice forum thread dedicated to the MSI 16L13 that the Tornado F5 is based on:

The Official MSI 16L13 Owners and Discussions Lounge
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-official-msi-16l13-owners-and-discussions-lounge.797128/

And, another forum of interest for the specific Eurocom Tornado F5

Want to ask about Eurocom Tornado F5
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/want-to-ask-about-eurocom-tornado-f5.796862/

 

It's good to see the 1050 and 1050Ti being announced, this means the notebooks with inferior quality and cooling solutions will have a Pascal refresh soon.
I'm not holding back though, the GTX 1060 is still my sweet spot in a laptop, at this moment.

 

Darn it. I was really hoping to not have to wait until January, and especially because deals and sales are scarce around that time of year. My best bet now is to hope to find a good 1060 or 970M laptop drop below $1000 during the holiday sales. Any chances of that happening?

 

There are lots of sites, searches, lists, and online shops to choose from, you need to poke around and use them, figure out what works for you, and then daily - several times daily - go through your list of links and do the searches, and eventually find what you are looking for

http://www.pricewatch.com/search?di...l_results_slider=0&sortby=price&condition=new

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=laptop+970m&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1

https://seattle.craigslist.org/search/sss?sort=rel&query=laptop 970m

Look around, there are lots of outlets for new and used 970m and 1060 laptops.

 

Very low chances for you to find new units with 970M/1060 for < 1000$. I have only managed to find a 965M for that amount, but the specs were minimal (no SSD, 8GB DDR4).

 

Just wanted to share two bits on the AW13 I found. Surprisingly, on Twitter - that's the first time I found Twitter to be useful for anything lol. In terms of size we were correct to assume it was a typo. It is in fact going to be 330mm wide:



In terms of the launch date, looks like at least pre-orders will be live 1st Nov.:

 

Pretty disappointing, the new MS Surface Book has a Maxwell GPU... sheez... MS has created a hugely expensive "lame duck" of a laptop by using that 965m.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 965M 2GB GDDR5 memory - In the "Performance Base"

Surface Book with Performance Base - 1TB / Intel Core i7
Release date: 11/10/2016
$3,299.00
https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/productID.5074012200

Introducing the new Microsoft Surface Book i7

 

Yup I saw this too. There's a cheaper 256 and 512 model, but it still costs an arm and a leg!

I was really surprised by the 965M - it's not exactly a low-power, cool chip. I'm pretty sure 965M laptops were generally a bust, so they probably got a killer deal on the chips. Do we know roughly where a 965M would come in vs. a 1050 Ti performance-wise?

 

The cheapest offering, for a 256GB SSD, is $2400... with a 965M! The ability to detach the screen does not nearly justify that exuberant price. Disappointing.

 

It's likely MS just missed the opportunity to build in the 1050 / 1050ti, which aren't releasing until Jan 2017 (rumor), and the 1060 might have been just a bit too hot / too much for the Surface form factor.

Look back a page in this thread, I posted several benchmark reviews / comparisons for the new 1050 / 1050ti desktop GPU's. I don't see any 1050 / 1050ti vs 965m or 960m comparisons.

[1080p] GTX 1050 Ti vs GTX 1060/ GTX 1070/ GTX 1080 Gaming Benchmarks
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-294#post-10371791

MSI GTX 1050 Ti 4G OC: Extremely Capable 1080p Budget Gaming!
MSI GTX 1050 2G OC: The New Budget King?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-294#post-10371771

A whole bunch of 1050 / 1050ti benchmark review videos
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-294#post-10371767

 

Yup, they probably decided not to wait given the MBP refresh tomorrow, since they think they are competing against Apple. The 1060 most definitely would have been way to hot, even laptops like the Razer Blade have trouble with it and this thing is even thinner AFAIK. I take it the MBP are going to still have the AMD chips (460?) so it's interesting to see which will end up with more graphics firepower.

Yeah, I saw those benchmarks but always had trouble figuring out where the 965M stood. I also remember reading that there were two versions of the 965M, which had a big performance difference. If those videos are anything to go by, 965M lands at ~6000 Firestrike Graphics and ~5200 Firestrike score vs. 8000 and 6900 on the 1050 Ti.

 

I'm going to guess they're saving a 1050 / Kaby Lake CPU on the Surface Book for a quick Q1/2 refresh and bank on selling these to consumers who don't really know exactly what they're buying with "good enough" performance through the holidays. Still a lot, but gaming isn't the intended target, so for a stylus with 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity for drawing / creative tools and tasks in a super thin form factor with premium GPU, it's pretty much the only game in town.

 

Yeah, that's likely the master plan to sell through the Holiday's.

I sure hope that 965m doesn't heat up the laptop reducing the CPU performance as well.

I guess we should wait until the reviews and temperature monitoring results come in

 

AFAIK, the CPU is in the tablet portion of the device, and the GPU is in the base, so I think that If either overheats, it may not affect the other one.

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Hey, an actual benefit to the 2 piece idea

What if you have the Surface Book lid closed and you are using an external monitor?

**The closed laptop external monitor configuration is never recommended.**

Always run your laptop with the lid up and completely open for cooling and ventilation

 

If I'm not mistaken, the CPU and GPU are housed in separate parts of the unit (CPU in top Tablet portion and GPU in Keyboard / Battery base) so hopefully they don't pose a problem with overheating each other, although the 965M in that could burn itself up in such a small space.

 

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Yeah, I saw those benchmarks but always had trouble figuring out where the 965M stood. I also remember reading that there were two versions of the 965M, which had a big performance difference. If those videos are anything to go by, 965M lands at ~6000 Firestrike Graphics and ~5200 Firestrike score vs. 8000 and 6900 on the 1050 Ti.[/QUOTE]

Wow so the 1050ti is ABOVE the 970m and not below it then as previously stated(by the same difference it is ahead) if the put this in a 14" business notebook that would tempt me back but not in a gaming laptop. 1060 minimum.



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Does anyone know stuff about the Gigabyte P35X v6? Temperatures, noise, screen, keyboard, etc. I primarily want to know if it overheats. And has Gigabyte QC improved?

@hmscott @D2 Ultima and anyone else's help is appreciated.

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Here is owner's review:

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=310222

Spoiler alert: as expected it gets very hot and noisy (CPU and GPU hitting 90 C, CPU even reaching 100 C during gaming).

 

Thanks. Well, those temperatures mean that I probably won't go near the thing.

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Well, with a 970m its possible, but the 1060 is newer and a lot better, so I dont expect that you'll find it at 1000€ so soon.

 

Only better if it's being cooled~

 

This is true af; most of the 970M in laptops weren't cooled properly. I'd avoid Maxwell at all costs if my budget, let's say, nearly matches that of Pascal's limits.

 

Obviously, i think thats valid for any gpu/cpu. But assuming similar laptops, 1060 kills 970m by a lot.

 

So I managed to call that correctly - new MBP has the 450, 455 and up to 460. Unfortunately, the 460 (according to notebookcheck) is only a bit faster than a 965M, so if MS manages to put a 1050 into an updated Surface Book 2 it's gonna be hands down the winner in terms of graphics. At this rate, I have a feeling that AMD is in danger of losing their Apple business!

Somewhat amazingly, you can go up to a 6920HK in the MBP!

 

Until it performs like a i5u due to throttling hahaha

 

But bruh, the fact I can find plenty of gaming laptops with the 6700HQ and a 965M for around less than 1000$ makes the deal as horrible as it can sound. Why would I pay double that amount for a marginally weaker device? What's their excuse? The fact the screen can be detached?
(btw, I'm talking about the new Surface Pro i7, the MBP is an even worse deal)

 

Yup.

Only for the looks. I don't know why else someone would buy one of them. However, when 50% of the US laptop market is Apple, you see that sh*t is working for them lol.

 

Whilst whoever looks at that surface. You might as well just buy a razor blade 14 instead with that cost...and I would if the prices stacked up in the uk. Instead they just matched the numbers from USA and said that's the price ($2699 vs £2699, do the conversion maths. It's really not fair and has nothing to do with brexit lol. It's easy like that before then)


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While I like how the looks and quality can be promising on the Blade, I can't afford anything more than 1.4 grands.
Best I can do is a mobile GTX1060 in my region.

 

How badly bottlenecked will the 965M be in the Surface Book? And will it overheat?

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Honestly, I suspect no throttling or overheating. Remember, the i7 is in the tablet section. The GPU gets a pretty big heatpipe and 2 dedicated fans so I expect it to run very cool

 

Thanks. But will it be bottlenecked by the dual-core i7? It yes, by how many percent compared to, say, a 6700HQ?

@Galm17 was speculating that it might have a quad core i7 inside (the ULV ones expected at some point with Kaby Lake).

I think it may just be the 6600U for two reasons -
1. Heat
2. 16 hours claimed battery life.

But it may be the quad core ULV, IF they are releasing it so early. I had thought it would be Q2 before they release those, but maybe I read/remember the news article wrong (I read it a couple of months ago on NotebookCheck)

Thoughts?

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The ULV processors would probably have some pretty good battery life, way longer than an HQ. I am just speculating but for example CNET reported that MS claimed the cpu was double the Macbook Pro 13. Even with a 4500u, a 6600u is like 20% faster at most not double. The only way to pull off double is a quad core. Also if it's an ULV quad core heat shouldn't be much of an issue, the Surface Book did get thicker to also handle the 965m, probably could handle a bit beefier cpu.

I'll be tired of those marketing claims of twice the performance if it's dual core.

Side note how come like every brand is allowed to say they have the most powerful 15" laptop etc? Like no Aorus the X7 is no where near the most powerful 17" laptop in pretty much any way, P870 would like a word.

 

Can be a true statement. I usually read it as the most powerful followed up with lightest or slimmest laptop in its size.



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Not really, pretty deceptive.

Spoiler

 

Another reason that I think it is a dual-core processor is because they say it is a 6th Generation part - and Skylake has no quad core ULV processors.

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Hmm, that is very true. Not sure how that double the power thing makes any sense.

But why wouldn't they just but in the new Kaby Lake chip? They are like launching it with all old hardware.

 

Maybe they want to milk the old chips for the last bit of their lives, making smart customers wait for ULV quad-core Kaby Lake + 1050 and potentially a new design in Q1/Q2.

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lmao or do the smart thing and don't buy a surface book. I feel like the thinner smaller thing stops really mattering after a point. An XPS 15 shouldn't have trouble with most bags, isn't that heavy, and will definitely have a quad core cpu and 1050 for less money.

Hell buy a Razer Blade for the price of the Surface Book.

 

Or better yet, spend ~$1000 less than the Surface Book and get a GS43VR for $1500 USD. More storage space (two drives), cools well (no throttling, 70s C while gaming), and the 6700HQ/GTX 1060 combo will leave it in the dust. Only downsides are that it's a little thicker (but we're splitting hairs at this point) and has no detachable screen with multi-capacitive touch support.

If you must have a device with a stylus and multi-capacitive touch, and you don't want to carry around more devices than just a laptop and a phone, I'd recommend replacing your phone with a phablet that comes with those features instead, and then just sync your files between your phablet and laptop. And then congratulate yourself on not buying a Surface Book and instead getting huge performance increases in your laptop while saving yourself ~$1000.

 

Yup, both of you are right.

@Prototime - the main advantage of the Surface Book over the GS43VR is the battery life. But your point is very valid. The GS43VR will obliterate it performance-wise.

@Galm17 - Yeah, the XPS 15 is probably a better bet, but like the GS43VR but to a lesser extent, the Surface Book's main advantage is battery life (although in one NotebookCheck test the XPS 15 FHD 84Wh clocked in at 9 hours Web browsing). The Razer Blade overheats so badly that it reaches 93C playing Overwatch ( @D2 Ultima posted a video a while ago). That is a real disgrace.

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Not 100% sure about the Blade thing. Like I know it totally does that, but idk how often. Some users report temps in the mid 80s which are more what I expected. Similar to the GL502VS having temps in the mid 90s which was awful while some users seem fine...

The XPS has pretty impressive battery life for the power it packs, should be more than enough for most people.

 

Fair enough - the 16 hour battery life of the Surface Book trounces the GS43VR, which has battery life that can be stretched to ~5 hours. I doubt most consumers need 16 hours of battery life, but it's an advantage nonetheless.

 

Yeah, I hope the updated version of the XPS 15 that should have Kaby Lake Quad-core processors and a 1050/1050Ti has great battery life too. I hope it gets the 99Wh battery of the AW15 in some of it's configs.

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Because there's nothing against it in laws. In the US they're allowed to use different advertising than the UK.

For example, Gigabyte's mini PC a couple years ago used an 870M. In the US they used a modified vBIOS to label it a desktop 760, but it was a 870M. In the UK, they said it was the 870M straight out. I even had, as my first post on LTT's forums, a long breakdown proving Gigabyte were lying scum: https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...bout-linus-gigabyte-bxi5g-760-micro-pc-video/

Also, MSI is ridiculous with blatant false advertising. They claim whatever makes them feel good.

MSI GT73VR? "First 120Hz 5ms gaming laptop ever!" O rly? My P370SM3 (and the entire P37xSM line), the entire P37xSM-A line, the P370EM3, the P570WM3, the P170HM3, the Alienware M17x R4, the AW17 R1 machines, and the Samsung 17" europe-only that sold with a badly mismatched 7870M would *ALL* like to have a word with you, MSI, and your late-blooming crock pot statements.

Or what about them claiming the GT80 Titan sold with the intel "extreme" CPU, of which there exist none in any form of soldered interface? They flat out said the 4980HQ was the same as a $1000 i7-920XM, 940XM, 2920XM, 2940XM, 3920XM, 3940XM, 4930MX or 4940MX. But of course legality doesn't care... unless you're in a country with actual consumer protection laws against false advertising, like the UK or some of Europe.

 

@ThePerfectStorm - I'm curious, is battery life what is holding you back from getting something like the GS43VR or the Aorus v3, and instead holding out for something like the XPS 15?

 

It is certainly a factor, along with lack of money . I'm also not sure if Gigabyte can get the Aero 14 v2 perfect. I like a big battery, but not when the unit overheats or has other problems that relate to my uses.

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LOL. Never read a laptop statement like this without it actually specifying which audience it was targeting


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Gigabytes been oddly slacking in cooling department compared to msi clevo and the rest this generation...

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