*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

I dont trust reviews that mention no negatives at all. Especially when he says theres very few things he dislikes and instead of saying them says maybe its the weight. MAYBE?

Always gotta counter balance positives with actual negatives else it becomes too obvious...

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I believe a huge disappointment is the 4-hour battery life, weight and size. (Not to me, personally.) Will it even fit in traditional 13" laptop cases? Probably not. No comparison to other laptops? He didn't even mention what type of HDMI port is supports or if it has switchable graphics. His reviews are usually good but this one seemed rushed.

"I want to be the first out there to get those view$!"

 

4hrs on a gaming laptop...is honestly amazingish. and yah totally agree

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I owned the R1 and R2, which he didn't even bother comparing it to...? They both saw well over 7 hours of battery life on the dGPU.

While this laptop is a step forward in performance, it is a step backward in other areas. And is very expensive!

 

Wow thats just wow

See...something someone with no knowledge of prior release spec would of known then thought newer was better. I dont like it even more now but the ULV to HQ switch is probably to blame as pascals power draw is greatly improved over maxwell.

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They should've been able to fit a better battery in that chassis. 86WHr would be acceptable.

 

I would really like to see some real performance of tha cooling solution, he barely says "It cools well"

 

An MXM GPU? On a notebook smaller than 15"? Wishful thinking there. I doubt even Clevo is up to the task of engineering such a thing; all their sub-15 notebooks have either been rPGA CPU + BGA GPU, or more recently, BGA CPU and BGA GPU.

At any rate, looks like @J.Dre is massively disappointed by this notebook. Somehow, I get 2 hours of battery on my own notebook, and by comparison, the AW13 seems incredible. Once again, we can't really say much until we get a solid notebook reviewer to do their thing, i.e. NotebookCheck.

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I'm not disappointed about anything except the price. I know you don't like me, but you shouldn't make assumptions.

 

I agree with you that the price stinks for this. It's great that they're shoving a 6700HQ and 1060 into a (presumably) well-cooled 13 incher, and OLED is a great perk, but the price leaves much to be desired - they're charging way too much for storage, and giving too few configurations for it. Definitely better to buy this thing with the least amount of storage they offer and then put in your own drives.

And I could certainly live with 4 hours of battery life--that's a little less than what my GS43VR gets--but given how huge this thing is for a 13" laptop, I would have expected better in that department too.

 

I should say likewise - since when did I say I didn't like you? A couple of your posts in this thread just a short while ago, you made the point that this notebook was a regression compared to previous ones. Hence I came to the (quite logical) conclusion that you were disappointed. There was absolutely no negativity in my post...

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I can't use smaller than 17" comfortably. I tried a 15", but working with documents side by side (and what my work calls for), the eye strain is horrible! 13" would make me hate myself. So, 15" and 17" laptops I am better at comparing. 13" is a different class I know nothing about other than being able to talk hardware generally...

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For me, it's the other way round - I've been spoilt by the pixel density of high-resolution small displays. Anything bigger than 15" and I start noticing the pixels, and I need a screen with greater resolution, and consequently better processing. I've long since discovered that the best sweet spot for me is 1080p 13 or 14", with a mid-range GPU.

Not to mention the fact that the notebook is so easily transported in a medium-sized backpack.

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I don't mind size. I only care about performing my tasks comfortably without wait or compromise. When you are constantly reading PDFs, government reports, articles, court cases, and similar documents, having two documents on one screen helps (or 3-4 documents when connected to a 22" external display). I can see the pixels, but don't care. It is the eye strain that gets me more than pixels...

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Whoa, that thing is $2400 decently configured. Too much for too little IMHO.

 

Must've overlooked it (see highlighted text below). It's all good, though. No harm, no foul.

I was also implying that his review was very disappointing. For someone who puts priority of being "first" above quality, when it comes to reviews, loses my respect. He could have spent another day on it and still have been among the top 3 on the Internet to release a proper review, and then maybe even have been the best among those.

 

"Review". More like, Dell hooked me up in exchange for a positive sounding overview.

 

What would be the difference between a paid review and someone that genuinely liked the unit though?

What kind of irks me, is when they review build quality, and merely say flex. Oh it doesn't flex, so its build quality is top notch.

 

At least he made a good game-play video:



Would be nice to see the temperatures, though.

 

I have the first benchmark off my gt83 here.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15788964?

 

But, dude, it's got "steel"

 

No, yes and alright. Anything I should play around in? I'm a little new to benchmarking.

Plus this is out of the box auto fans.

Edit: it also might help to run it at 1080p instead of 3440x1440 that i have it plugged into...ill run again

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He seems like a nice guy but his reviews are ****. My beef is that he doesn't go into enough detail. Especially on things like benchmarks and temperatures. I'd say his reviews are focussed on PC novices and consumers that don't sweat the details as much. He's clearly not going after the enthusiast crowd .

The guys over at Xotic PC and GentechPC are more objective and they're actually running stores trying to sell things that they're reviewing.

Most of his reviews are positive but I have seen him give a couple of not recommended scores. He might not actually get his review units directly from the manufacturer because he seems to keep a lot of them. Back when I used to review for this site the manufacturers wanted their stuff back pretty quick.

They were also very sensitive to poor reviews. I criticized fancy Toshiba once and they never sent me another review unit. Who cares? That Toshiba laptop was crappy and overpriced.

 

Right, that's what I meant, not that you did a bad job benchmarking, it's just a bit low and slow, so maybe get to know it a bit better.

Even setting Nvidia 3d options, use High Performance power plan, either get rid of the MSI Dragon Gaming - or tune it for highest performance - disable the Preload "performance" options for USB / Storage, or completely uninstall the MSI Dragon Gaming and use XTU + MSI Afterburner.

And, did you disable G-sync / V-sync globally?

 

will do and run again. shhhhh dont tell anyone my noob is showing....half this stuff didnt eexist last time i ran benchmarks. lol

 

I spoke with a Dell representative and managed to get 2% off the new Alienware 13.

 

Holy....! You have a higher Extreme score than my normal regular score! hahaha that's a tremendously huge jump from 980m SLI to 1080 SLI.

 

I bungled that one and ran it in 3440*1440 with Gsync.

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Oh man, my surprise didn't even last me a minute.

Being realistic though, a single 1080 is on par with an overclocked 980m system. I wouldn't doubt a SLI 1080 to be simply much stronger.

 

Did everything I could find.... dont think i got aa huge improvement. I'm gonna have to fiddle around with it tomorrow.
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10653296

I think my 3d mark is being weird too. It keeps running the demo even when I select it not too...and a couple of other odd things....

 

Wonder when the P5000m is gonna come out.

 

my perfect 13 incher: one internal m.2 slot for storage, with the rest of the space used for cooling a 7700k. while on the move, using the igpu for decent battery life but snappy performance due to the cpu powah. at home, use thunderbolt 3 or a second m.2 slot for egpu, the latter with less overhead loss than the former. at 13 inches, a nice 1080p 165 Hz IPS 5ms screen with 100% adobe rgb coverage would be the perfect choice. add to that two ram slots for 32 gigs of ram (enough for my tastes), a compact 150W psu (cpu oc on the go ), and, of course, fully unlocked bios and fan control and u got yourself a REAL LIFE enthusiast "ultra book"! at that kinda config, no need to worry about weakling bga cpu turding out the egpu and making it a superfluous ugprade... best of both worlds baby!

whos with me, fellas?

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Desktop 1080 here boosting to 2050 MHz throughout Firestrike Extreme. Graphics score 11347. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15791183

In comparison your 19k is highly admirable. Bear in mind though that 3DMark scales exceedingly well with SLI so for most games you won't get as much of a benefit from SLI. All things considered though I'm well impressed.

 

Your out of the box score is great

Here it is compared to the #1 Futuremark Notebook 1080 SLI Fire Strike Extreme Score set by @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER using an OC'd P870DM3

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9958481/fs/10653296

Your stock score is 15% under for Graphics and 38% under for CPU, so you have a ways to OC

Maybe @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER can post his stock Fire Strike 1.1 Extreme score, for a stock comparison?

Can you also run a Fire Strike 1.1 - not extreme, we can compare against a GT80 SLI-263 980m SLI:

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5708173

Added the top Notebook 1070 SLI Score (an MSI laptop) for a compare:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9958481/fs/10302011/fs/10653296

And, here is a comparison of your 1080 SLI score against the top 1070 SLI score:
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/10302011/fs/10653296

You are 15% faster in Graphics, and 15% slower in CPU, again some room to OC.

Great news you finally got your GT83VR

It might be best to take this back into the GT83VR thread:

 

Also remember that he has a 6820hk, while the top 1080 SLI score was achieved with a 6700k.

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@NuclearLizard 's GT83VR has a 6920HQ.

Which could limit him a bit on top end CPU to 4.0ghz, it will be interesting to find out what his BIOS or Intel XTU will allow.

Undervolting should help improve duration test results too - reducing heat helps keep the clock speed up.

Not that big a deal, since I think the GT83VR BIOS won't let the 6820HK go much if any higher.

Here is a more "fair" comparison against the 2nd place Fire Strike Extreme SLI 1080 score, but it's still against a 6700k:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/10653296/fs/10484031

Here is a comparison against the top MSI GT83VR score:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/10383063/fs/10653296

The Graphics is only 2% behind and behind 16% CPU - a 6820HK @ 4.0ghz... I hope that's not top OC for that guy either...

Let's please continue in the GT83VR thread

 

Not bad. I was expecting MSI to VBIOS power cripple their SLI variant 1080, but it looks fairly close.

 

Would you please post your stock P870DM3 1080 SLI Fire Strike 1.1 score for comparison? Over in the GT83VR thread...

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15792561

 

Hmm, shouldn't it come up under 'fs' instead of '3dm' ?

I can't add your score to his for a comparison...

Are you Sephadex on Futuremark?, if so here is the comparison:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/10654801/fs/10653296

Sephadex's score is 5% higher in Graphics, and 21% faster CPU.

 

The driver version should have an effect too.

 

It does, but I've got a stable setup at the moment and I'm not looking to go futzing around with things. I'm interested to see what the max power reported by the MSI variant is. Mine cap out at 196/194W on the master/slave GPU respectively as reported by HWInfo.

 

The GPU score is close enough to consider the same, given variations between runs, version of driver, other OS considerations.

@NuclearLizard just got his out of the box and is still running on the stock set up. It's gonna take a while to come to terms with what's installed, his preferences, and tuning optimizations.

It's nice to see they are so close out of the box.

Now, I wonder which one is louder

 

That's good info, and did you get wall wattage readings too?

It would be nice to see how much power those 330w power supplies are drawing at peak usage, for both laptops.

 

I suspect the DM3 if the GT83 sounds anything like the GT80 on max fans, but those got pretty noisy too. The million dollar question is whether or not it can cool those 1080s under sustained load. I suspect the answer is yes since MSI has always had great GPU cooling systems, but it's always nice to see hard evidence.

No, not sure where my Kill-a-watt went. I'd guess around 530W peak worst case assuming 85-90% efficiency and my max stock draws of 65/195/195W happening all at the same time, which is pretty unlikely. The average GPU draw in games seems to hover around 160-170W/card.

 

Hey back from my nap....all of it that I got... I have this thing in my room so I had a hard time sleeping. lmao its so tempting to keep playing with.

The fans are very wooshy (I think thats a good descriptor)...I would say not a whole lot louder than fans only on an AC or a tower floor fan....if they are louder at all. I wish i had the tools to investigate for you guys.

 

you smoking bro? 1080 beats a 980m sli let a lone an overclocked single 980m delivering less performance than its sli counterpart. So 1080 sli would make an oc 980m look like a joke


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I think he means 980M SLI system. A single 1080 nets around 20K graphics stock in regular FS, and I've seen heavily OCed 980Ms get to around 23K pretty easily, sometimes more.

 

If he meant that. That's a better Improvement. But have you seen how well a 1080 sli performs. In terms of scores a 1080 sli still nets 39k. Still marginally better. That's x2 notebooks combined using OC 980m sli to match it.


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