*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Should be a nice step up from the 960M, and should also be very affordable.

The 1060 wasn't the 960M replacement. That's a common misconception.

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Laptop) vs GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Desktop) – specs and performance comparison
http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/n...-ti-desktop-specs-and-performance-comparison/



Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti for laptops specs, benchmarks leak
by Mark Tyson on 3 November 2016, 10:01
http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/98824-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-laptops-specs-benchmarks-leak/



NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Notebook GPU Is Faster Than the GTX 970M
Under 100W TDP, Runs Doom Smoothly on 1080P/Ultra
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1050-ti-specs-performance-leak/

Mobile 1050TI beats 970M - 00:10-01:00

 

Thats not difficult.. 970M is a 2 year old card and runs at 75W.. You let me know how the 1050 OCs and you can reach 1060 speeds.. That was something the 970M could do and reach 980M speeds a lot..

Get some new IC Diamond paste.. Your current paste job is junk

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^^ i know you know that won't happen. But more to the point why. The 970m had to make up 2000 points graphic score. The 1050ti would
Need to make up 4-5000 points on the graphic score. It will never catch it. And the gap between the 1060 and 1070 is waaaaay to big. It's like they are two different generations of gpu. That's how big the gap is.


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That's precisely what I am talking about.

Within the series itself, the 1050 Ti is a ****ty GPU, full stop. It's only slightly more than half as powerful as the GPU positioned above it, the 1060.

Even compared to the 960M, which itself was a 75W GPU, it isn't that good. I've seen 960Ms hit ~5500 in Fire Strike. Hell, most 970Ms already average 7500 in Fire Strike, I dunno where WCCFTech gets its information from.

Compared to the near doubling in performance of the so-called '970M replacement' -- actually, going by actual chipsets, the 1060 replaces the 965M, not the 970M, which definitely has a 2x performance difference between the two -- the weak sauce 50-60% improvement of the 1050 Ti over the 960M and even the 965M is disappointing. I was expecting near ~ 10 000 scores in Fire Strike, not this massive chasm between the 1050 Ti and the 1060.

 

So get a 1060 already. No one is forcing you to get a 1050Ti.

 

I'm skipping Pascal altogether, this whole release has been disappointing. Similar IPCs to Maxwell, relatively higher running temperatures and worst of all, the lack of HBM... Nope, not for me.

2018's my year. Hopefully.

 

Your plan seems sound. I however am rocking a 650m, so the 1050Ti seems like a holy grail. Also, while a 50% boost over the 960m is somewhat disappointing, it's still a nice bonus for waiting for these new laptops as long as their prices are reasonable...

 

Oh. 1050ti will be defo good coming from 650m. I agree with above post that the 1060 is a little underwhelming. Although I've only had a 970m for about 4-5 months and a 960m for 16 months. I still regard the 970m as what I set my expectations from...and it's not that much to the 1060. With the way it was hyped. I expected it to beat 980 even by a little bit although I'd be happy if it just matched it, but it only just surpasses a 970.
I agree with SRSR333 that the 1060 feels like it only replaces the 965m. Whilst I agree the 1070 replaces the 980m which leaves the 970m unreplaced. Which I've been saying ages back that there should be a 1060 ti because the gap between 1060 and 1070 doesn't make sense. It's huge. 12000 say vs 17000.a 1060ti could bring say 14000 but others think it will never happen.
If I had a 970m still I'd be happy to wait it out for Volta too but I've no laptop now.


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BF1 my GPU never goes above 69c and I just have standard fans (1070)
Edit: didn't realize this was pertaining to notebooks only - I have a desktop

 

Aorus X7 DT V6 Desktop GTX 1080
Laptop Review / Benchmarks

 

Can't watch it now, on mobile data. Could you please tell me the max CPU and GPU temps?

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I'm watching it for the 1st time now, just found it and posted it - found an Aorus thread where it was posted yesterday, check out their comments:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-13-9-15-6-17-3.795060/page-16#post-10384222

I'll update here later, it's 20 min long, and I am skipping around and doing other things...

49db idle - Gentech famously jams the meter right into the exhaust ports
71db high during benchmark run...

FLIR image at idle looks kinda toasty...


3mark11 run P18073 Graphics 26325 Physics 9366 Combined 9239
70c high for CPU package
76c high for GPU core

FLIR image at load on benchmark looks toastier...


Fire Strike 1.1 14449 Graphics 19081 Physics 10203
CPU 70c package
GPU 76c core

And, all 4 RAM slots accessible under the bottom panel, 64GB!!


2 x M.2 PCIE 2280 + 1x M.2 SATA 2280 + 2.5" slot.

Very nice video as always @GenTechPC

$3099 => Aorus X7 DT V6 PC3K4D 3K nVidia GTX 1080 Desktop GPU G-Sync
http://www.gentechpc.com/Aorus-X7-D...-1080-Desktop-GPU-p/aorus-x7-dt-v6-pc3k4d.htm

 

Very impressive. Gigabyte has used 4 screws on the CPU heatsink. This must go beyond the bottom line, LOL

 

And, 4 RAM slots, all accessible from the bottom - 64GB!!

 

Very impressive But that the machine come with a weak flimsy 230W PSU for i7-6820HK and 1080, is a huge shame!! Battery Boost? Nice...

 

I wonder if Aorus offers a 330w PSU with the correct connector...a good question for Gentech if you are thinking of buying one. @GenTechPC ??

It is of course all BGA, to make it that thin.

Could be fun for a lighter thin less gamer looking work or school carry around laptop.

It's got a huge battery, 94.24wh.

I haven't read up on it yet, it looks like a nice single 1080 laptop for someone

 

You know why the machine comes with a huge battery? Or put it the other way.. A bet You know why the machine comes with a huge battery, LOL

 

(Pssst)(Battery Boost!!)

 

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@hmscott A fixed a bit on Auros advertising Fits better

http://www.aorus.com/Product/Features/X7 DT v6

 

@hmscott - Thanks a lot man! Useful info!

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@hmscott @Charles P. Jefferies - What is Aorus' default thermal paste like?

And, will CLU last 3 years without a repaste? I don't like the idea of having to open up a 3k+ laptop myself and repaste it (I've never opened up a laptop myself). Or will ICD last 3 years?

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I have been keeping an eye on the forums there since I was considering an X3.

There was one dude that posted his results, he got a -15C result on the CPU and roughly no change on GPU with ICD:
http://forum.aorus.com/forum/gaming-laptops/1145-better-temps-after-cpu-gpu-repaste

However, please note the official rep said that removing the thermal module would void warranty:
http://forum.aorus.com/forum/gaming...-questions-on-new-x3-and-x5?p=38155#post38155

I'm still not exactly sure whether the latter is legal or not, I think we've had that discussion here many times and I get the impression that it is not, but I also feel like I didn't want a laptop where if something went wrong I'd have to be fighting for my rights.

 

Not sure, we don't go that far in the reviews to repaste. I might repaste if I owned it and noticed high temps. So far, at least the Aorus X7 v6 seems to have acceptable temps, especially on the GPU. Haven't heard anything about the X3/X5 models though.

Charles

 

All depends on how good the heatsink fits on Die. Both thermal paste is one of the best you can get. I use Liquid ultra in my AW17. +2.5 years since I applied and still no degradation in temperature

 

What about the X7 DT v6? The video @hmscott posted of GenTechPC's review shows temps in the 70s - how long will the stock paste be thermally acceptable?

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Thanks for the info @PMF and @Papusan! Much appreciated.

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I'd be interested to see

a) the approximate length of a real-life gaming session required in a recent AAA title before the battery presumably drains and performance drops off (measuring this with synthetic benchmarks is irrelevant)

b) whether the v6 DT can take advantage of a larger power supply and actually prevent the battery from draining

 

That is a very low Firestrike graphics score for a GTX 1080. Was it being benched on battery power? The GPU clocks look very low as well.

 

I thought it was low too. Prob clocked lower by default to keep thermals respective


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@keftih @sisqo_uk - Maybe low due to it only having a 230W PSU?

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If you looking in reviews of Eg latest ACER Predator 17 with the fully locked 6700Hq and the weaker 1070, you will see the max power draw is 223W from the wall. Don't tell me that a unlocked 6820Hk + the stronger 1080 will use less power than this setup. And slightly OC'd 6820Hk If you are lucky in the silicon lottery, will use a lot more power than the fully locked low entry 6700Hq.
But of course... Everything is possible with firmware who contain crippled power settings!!

 

I don't disagree that DT V6 should use more power then the Acer you mentioned; after all it has a more powerful gpu/cpu. But I do wonder how it would behave under a real-life gaming scenario as opposed to a synthetic benchmark, as well as whether or not it would actually take advantage of a more powerful power brick (not have the battery discharge under load). I've seen it where on some systems power draw peaks at a fixed value regardless of power brick wattage.

 

Likely. I think that would cause throttling and overheating because the psu can give enough power to the system for long at full load. I used to use a larger power adapter back in the day cos I was convinced it would be better for power draw without knowing whether it might damage the unit. But I doubt it as it should only give what the unit is asking for and not more than it needs. Adaptive style


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I don't repaste if the temps are such that I don't thermal throttle under normal use. Once you re-paste you likely will be doing it on a semi-regular basis.

There have been reports of AS5, MX4, Gelid, and CLU all drying / oxidizing under the right circumstances. They give better temps are first, but are optimized for performance initially, not long term viability.

IDK about Aorus paste specifically, but you have the warranty, and if temps are bad at first return for another unit, and if temps go bad during warranty, then get them to re-paste for you.

After warranty expires, I still wouldn't re-paste if everything is running aok. Only if my work / play is being interrupted with thermal throttling would I then pull it all apart and "fix" it

If your temps are close to the video review temps, I wouldn't mess with it.

Leave the stock paste and don't ask the boutique dealer to re-paste with something else, unless you really want to experiment

Then ask the boutique dealer to run those same tests on your unit, and ask for the results - temps / scores, and if they are the same or close enough, then leave it as is.

If you decide to experiment and get ICD or CLU then at least you have a base reading from the original paste configuration to compare against the results after re-pasting.

That way you can judge if it is an improvement - and if there was a problem introduced by re-pasting (disassembly / reassembly).

Make sure to let the dealer know you want a say in each stage for a go / no go continuation, or if the results aren't better you can ask them to re-paste again.

Either way, please come back and let us know how it works for you, what your temps and scores are for your new laptop

 

The only part of the X7 DT v6 that I'm not sold on is the 230W PSU. I emailed GenTechPC a few hours ago, and they replied that it would not be able to use a 330W brick. I'm probably going to wait and see what PSU comes on the Kaby Lake variant that'll come next year.

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It's a mild cheat, to reduce the power draw and thereby limit the heat generation.

The way I look at it is that I am impressed it's working so well and at such low temps.

I wouldn't expect it to beat or even reach the best 1080 mobile numbers, as there just isn't enough cooling to make that happen.

A 330w PSU is much larger and heavier than a 230w, so that probably played a large part in the choice as well.

I would like to see some power wattage usage numbers from the wall during the most demanding benchmark runs to see how close to 230w the laptop is drawing at stock and maximum OC - it should show it limiting the OC if the power is going much past the 230w limit.

It is what it is, and if it performs better than the same model with a 1070, and it's a good margin of improvement, it's worth getting.

It's a nice thin laptop to be pushing that much performance

 

Is it possible that they are using the 150W 1080 instead of the 190W version? If they are, it may not go over 230W without OC. (like the way that last generation MSI used the 120W 980 DT for the GT80 SLI, while Clevo used the 180W part in their P870DM-G.)

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How long until the GTX 1070 (Mobile version) begins to be outdated? I saw a game (icr the name), where the 1060 was in the recommended system requirements.

Seems like the GTX 9xxM series got leaped over a great deal by the GTX 10xx series, but do we expect any other giant leaps in the near future, say 4-5 years or so?

 

The AORUS X7 DT V6 would be completely off of my radar.

Why spend the GTX 1080 notebook tax, and not get the full GTX 1080 experience? What's the appeal of spending $3k for a gimped GPU?

Seeing how the GTX 970M and 980M are still running the latest games at 1080p, with settings at or near their maximum, it's hard to even estimate how long the 1070 will last. When the previous gen cards aren't yet outdated, the newest ones will be around for quite some time.

Of course we expect giant leaps in the next 4-5 years, that's the nature of technology.

 

The Reviewed Aorus X7 v6 laptop with 6820Hk and 1070 = 253 watts max power draw. Gtx 1080 and 230W is Big No no in my Book


http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Aorus-X7-v6-Laptop.181773.0.html

Edit. English http://www.notebookcheck.net/Aorus-X7-v6-Notebook-Review.182897.0.html

 

@Papusan - How much do you estimate that the 1080 version will consume without OC? Or is it possible that they have used a 150W version of the 1080? Or would it go over 230W (no OC) anyway? I had a email conversation with GenTechPC where they said that a 330W brick would not work with the X7 DT v6 - so what would you advise? Will the 1080 with a 230W brick outperform the 1070?

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Overclocked single not crippled 1080 in bench but without a mod vBios = 193-195w. Remember also a maxed out psu constantly, is not so good in the long run. With serious overclock with mod firmware, will the result be even worse. OEM's can cripple the graphics TDP. This is already explained.

 

well, the ONLY requirement from nvidia for an OEM to be able to sport a gpu in a laptop and call it a 1080/1070/1060 is that is never falls below the base clock while not exceeding its thermal limit. so basically, the OEM has the whole range of boost clocks as potential to save on power consumption so worst case, a 1080 runs at 90% of its properly unleashed performance, add to that a gimped cpu such as a 6700HQ to further limit power consumption and heat (thin machine FTW! ) and u can calculate roughly with 70% total performance in cpu-bound scenarios when compared with a phoenix 2 (single 1080, 6700K). thats basically one generational jump!!! even though in name, both machines would sport hardware of the same gen...

calculation:

base / boost 1080 = 90% (based on clocks)
6700HQ / 6700K = 77% (based on CB15 score)
90% x 77% = 69% total

and that 70% doesnt even include factors such as RAM (2133/2400 vs. 2666+) or storage...

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@Papusan - so is it safe to assume that the 1080 non-OC will consume 160W-170W?

@jaybee83 - With a 6820hk, it should outperform the 1070 even if TDP is restricted, right?

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well, seeing as the performance difference between 1080N and 1070N is exactly 30%, a 6820HK would actually be the factor that pushes the base clock 1080N baaarely over the performance of a properly running 1070N

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Damn. If only Aorus had bitten the bullet and given it a 330W PSU.

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yes, that definitely. however, beware thatmy calculations are absolute worst case scenario. real life performance would likely be somewhere between worst and best case scenario

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What is making people choose the gimped Aorus over a proper MSI or Clevo?

Am I missing something?

 

Msi has the "no upgrades" fiasco and I think clevo just does not get a lot of exposure

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