*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

its so THIN!

 

I wonder why the MSI 1070 doesn't have any external power input compared to the clevo cards? does it draw all its power through the interface?

 

Thinner, lighter, and reasonable temperatures. I may not buy it, but it interests me.

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A lot of people care about the mass of the notebook, because they carry it on their backs, to university, or on the bus, etc. Not everyone wants a bone-breaking 5 kg 'notebook' to lug around, not everyone uses their notebooks as desktop replacements. They use their notebooks as laptops.

However, this doesn't justify the fact that that Aorus massively gimped. If I were looking for something thin-and-light, I'd go for the 14-inch Clevo, or the GS43VR. One has to compromise on something if they want less weight...

 

A minimal OC on Gtx 1080 = Over 208w only for the graphics in 3DM Fire Strike. Yeah, And Gigabyte mean 230w psu is more than enough for OC'd 6820hk and 1080 + the rest of the setup And maybe you want to pimp up 1080 with higher OC? Oh'well You will need that BIG battery

 

When did you get a 1080?

 

I think a singly 1080 gets 50 fps at 4k.

I know I run 100+ at 3440*1440 with my two

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I'm not sure. I keep to my ultra wide 1440p. Lol

Plus Witcher 3 is capped at 60fps unless there is a way I haven't found around it yet. Lol

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If you look at the processor clock speed. Then maybe you realize that this is not my setup

 

GenTech got a 14k score in fire strike (overall), so maybe the thing is not so limited (though long gaming sessions will result in throttling.

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I played Witcher 3 around 120 FPS, 1440p with single 1080. Can't think of what might've capped you at 60 FPS..

 

V-Sync?

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Msi with 6820hk and gtx1080 maxed +302W. Why should Gigabytes machines with same setup use a lot lower power?




http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT73VR-6RF-Titan-Notebook-Review.181123.0.html

 

I agree with your point, I'm just trying to figure out how the scores are so close.

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Ask them about the Graphics score. Not the total score in Fire Strike. Ask also how the 3DM11 score looks like(Total score).

 

Ok, thanks for the help!

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I might just end up getting an MSI GT62VR with 1070 for portable gaming and building a desktop with a 1080Ti when it launches for heavier work/gaming.

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Here's a review of the same laptop, with a 1070 getting a *higher* overall Fire Strike score out of the box @ 03:30 15014 ( 1070) vs 14449 ( 1080)... not looking good for the GTX 1080 Aorus model - it needs tuning + 330w PSU!

AORUS X7 V6-PC3K4D - GTX 1070 Full Review


The 1080 got a 19081 Graphics score vs this 1070 Graphics score of 18623, not much of a difference for bumping up to a 1080 from a 1070...


Update:

Here's another Aorus X7 V6 GTX 1080 Fire Strike 1.1 run, slightly higher Graphics score, it's Graphics OC is set via Aorus tool:

Fire Strike 1.1 Total Score 15746 Graphics Score 20634 Physx 11468 Combined 7103

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-13-9-15-6-17-3.795060/page-18#post-10386465

 

HaHa... Oh well, it smells throttling long way from Aorus X7 DT V6 with Desktop GTX 1080 + the flimsy weak 230W psu. Perhaps the battery boost did not work out quite as planned? *- it needs tuning* A new firmware will make it better Aka Powa from the battery... If this is what you call tuning

 

I second this. As it stands the gs43 interested me. I like the aero 14 with 1060. But we few weeks away from that of the aorus x3 is not entirely right


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well well, looks like i was spot on with my calculations concerning gimped vs. proper 1080

 

Thanks for the useful information as always @hmscott - and congratulations to @Papusan and @jaybee83 for being correct.

I hope this info embarrasses Aorus into providing a 330W brick with the Kaby Lake refresh. I still cannot understand what kicked them to use a 230W brick for a machine with a 45W+ CPU and a 190W GPU. Maybe giving weight too much importance...

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Unfortunately I think it's a more practical limitation that caused Aorus to not fully implement the full power of the GTX 1080 in the X7 V6 chassis, the design can't handle expelling more heat.

I think it would take larger fan's, heat pipes, heat plate, heat exchanger, even larger than what they have in the 1080 model, and that will likely require more thickness / size / volume to handle the heat output efficiently.

Otherwise, why wouldn't Aorus produce an X7 V6 1080 model with full performance?

Aorus must know it needs a 330w PSU, and tuning to produce full performance so that it gives a better value for money than just sticking with the 1070 model, which is the situation they have now.

But, maybe Aorus can kick it up to full GTX 1080 power with their next design

 

It's also a concern for the MSI 16L13 / Tornado F5 GTX 1080 that Eurocom wants to release.

Remember @Eurocom Support that the F5 Tornado GTX 1080 model performance needs to surpass that of the 1070 version by a good measure, and approach full 1080 desktop performance, or it won't be considered an appealing success worth buying.

 

If they had made it 3.5-3.6kg and 1.2" thick with a third fan and and a further redesigned cooling system with additional heatpipes they would have gotten away with it.

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Exactly, and that's what it would take to entice us to spend all that extra $ to get the 1080.

A visible improvement in performance - and visible physical cues like an extra fan, more heat pipes, sacrificing 0.2" of "slimness" for the power of a 1080.

And, better yet, as a side benefit of those cooling improvements, I would be excited to find that the 1080 model would run cooler and quieter than the 1070 model

 

I think we will see more fine tuning on firmware level for the Aorus with Gtx1080. A bit more powa for the graphics, but the needed extra will come from the battery. The Gigabyte machines is known to run hot... Expect the machines will run up to the max thermal threshold Next revision of the models will probably be the same(early Kaby lake). Same ****y as MSI and the famous motherboard input powa connection. Aka 180w PSU and battery boost all the way with 780/880m. And Msi managed 2x 980 with a single 330w PSU. This ****y isn't new ideas. Mr. Azor and Dellienware jumped on this crippled powa solution train as well early 2015. Some OEM's CEO aka chief shouldn't sleep well in the night!!! Hope they have nightmares!! Kill the enjoyment with BGA. And now with low powa psu as well

 

Yup, but IMHO an underpowered PSU is worse than BGA in terms of how it affects performance.

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Don't defend BGA!! The worst who have happened for high powered laptops. Soldered trash is the best way to crippling any performance. Then the next level will be use of low powered psu. Everything has to match bro. Thin flimsy design will always mean less powa!! See CrApple!!

 

I agree, BGA is terrible, and there is no defence for it, but it is worse to see a 1080 performing like a 1070!

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More than half an year ago, a couple of months before the mobile release, I've predicted it. I said that there would be move to equalize the naming scheme and that there would be disasters like this - stuffing the top-end just so the company can put it on the spec sheet/box without thinking twice how it performs. The first was a good intention - clearing the long standing confusion which is what and how it performs, but the later actually adds even more confusion. Just like it was the case with the DTM 980 and its 4 or 5 forms (more, I'm sure there were more, but haven't kept track on all of them). I hoped that they took a note and it would be different this time around. They didn't. It's worse.

 

You can't expect you get maximum power, decent OC headroom and good hardware temperatures in a "lovely Apple" designed aluminum lunchbox, which is around 1.0 "inch thick or so. People must begin to wake up and say enough is enough!! A gaming laptop isn't the same as a low powered cafe machine from Apple. And shouldn't be designed likewise.

 

I get your point. I tend to make the mistake of "hunting for unicorns" - searching for perfect machines that don't exist. I would not have minded if it had been 1.3-1.4" thick, but I am looking for a decent degree of portability, which is the only thing that drew me to this - the lightest 1080 laptop. I guess a 7lb 1080 laptop really was too good to be true. Maybe next generation we'll see a laptop with 1080 performance at 6.75lb-7lb.

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There are - you have to make it Although not exactly joke (since that's exactly what I'm doing - building the perfect laptop for me), the MobileWorkstations are really close to that, you just have to wait for the Polaris/Pascal refresh and probably double your budget

 

How are you building the perfect laptop for yourself?

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I wish to tell you that I'm building a system from a scratch, but alas I'm using 8740w DC as a base. It is not perfect, but it still is the closest to what I want in a laptop (6 years after its release) and I'm filling in the blanks.

 

Cool! How is it going?

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Slow, money is the main problem. It looks good so far, I just hope that I wont lose steam like on my previous project, although that's not very likely, since I can't a new system that fits me better (i.e. directing all the money towards it).

 

Great to hear, man! I wish you the best of luck on your project!

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Thank you and thank you for your interest

 

What's in it? I remember wanting the 8540w after owning the 8530w. At the time I didn't know they was upgradeable with mxm gpu. I only started hear about swappable cpus at that point and that was a hell no for me at the time.


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I've been following this thread with interest. Just pulled the trigger on an Aorus X7 v6 from HIDevolution. I'm having them repaste with CLLU on the CPU and IC Diamond on the GPU. I'll need to see the screen in person, but I think the 1440 screen with the 1070 is a perfect combination. That its thinner and lighter than the Alienware 17 R4 and actually seems to be having fewer thermal issues sold me. Great experience with @Donald@HIDevolution.


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anyone got an MSI 1070 working in a Clevo P870DM-G?

 

Tried to make a short list, but I failed, since I fell like the 8740w is underrated (all the MobileWorkstations for that matter, of course they are costly when new, but pretty awesome deals when second-hand). So here is the "short-ish" list of what's in there and what can be:

Spoiler: offtopic about 8740w

(There's quite the story about why, but whatever) Most importantly the display - the last 16:10 and thankfully HP and LG made it pretty darn good, not perfect though. For the not perfect part - it is slow, but seeing what goes into most G-SYNC machines, it's actually OK (obviously it does lack the frame-sync, which improves the smoothness, or so they say (don't have personal experience, but have a CRT)). For the darn good part - you can read the LP171WU8-SLB1's specs, so I don't need to list them here. What you wont see in the spec sheet is:
- The back-light works at about 1200Hz, so it's not hard on the eyes
- Has an A-TW polarizer (rare on desktops, let alone laptops), so no IPS glow
- Covers ~85% of Rec.2020, which hopefully would be OK for HDR (although the brightness is on the low side, which is the more important factor for HDR than the color space, but we'll see (the first batch of HDR ready TV sets are not that far off))
All in all - glorious display. It can always be better, but all these years later, I'm yet to see a better one in a laptop (that's of course subjective), even the 4K "DreamColor" is a downgrade (8bit, WLED or BG-r LED not sure, it doesn't matter, narrower color reproduction = downgrade, hence the quotes (instead of pushing the envelope, like its predecessors (they could've made Rec.2020 spec display, no? But who is going to buy the next year's refresh with "OMG Rec.2020/HDR!!!"))). Finally, what's power without control? The Mobile Display Assistant is very useful in this regard - selecting color spaces. Otherwise you can burn your eyes at Native while browsing the web. Could've been even more useful if one was able to edit the points of the user preset.

Then as follows:

The standard desirable features:
- Can run (socketed) XM CPU (not fully supported - i.e. no BIOS overclocking, but thankfully there's ThrottleStop)
- MXM-B - runs a pretty nice list of GPUs (problematic AMD support - nasty system BIOS, but I hope that I'll fix it)
- 4 RAM slots - 32GB are working, 64GB requires brave soul with deep pockets i.e. not tested
- Backlit keyboard
- USB 3

The resolved issues:
- Has only one 2.5" bay - I've added 2 mSATAs and kept the 2.5", so the storage is no longer a problem

The remaining issues:
- Cooling - mediocre, hardly handles stock XM (reduced power limits than say M17x-R2) and 100W-ish GPU (mid 80s for both) - working on it
- Speakers - TERRIBLE and as an added "awesomeness" there's little play room - working on it as well, but that would be one of the more difficult mods
- BIOS - the above mentioned AMD issue as well as WLAN/WWAN whitelist (means no AC or 4G modules), oh and it is encrypted - waiting for inspiration

The added bonus:
- Cool palmrest and keyboard - for example M18x at 72ºC for the GPU, has pretty warm WASD area, this one can cook its internals (had the CPU at 100ºC and the GPU at 90ºC) but I could never tell, the bottom gets pretty warm though
- Dock port - very welcome feature, eases my fold-and-get-going quite A LOT (most of the dock's ports are occupied), also reduces the stress on the on-board ports (only using them while on-the-go)
- Magnesium chassis
- Easy component access/replacement
- PointStick - now I always reach for it, it is very convenient, but sometimes I don't find it (when on another machine which lacks it)
- Multitouch touchpad
- 3 buttons for each the touchpad and the PointStick
- Secondary battery - sees it's fair share of usage and you can hot-swap them if you have more than one and your main battery is not completely dead
- Thick and well designed motherboard - remains to be seen how much abuse it can withstand
All of this in 3.65 cm to 4.16 cm (1.44 in to 1.64 in) thick package (do note that the display alone accounts for 1.2 cm (aluminum (I think) cover + magnesium frame + DreamColor and its Color Board (on the back of the display))), weighing (by spec sheet) 3.365 kg (7.42 lbs), but I think that my DC machine is 3.8 kg, haven't measured it recently. Not that I mind thicker machines, but this is in the "added bonus" section after all.

It really checks A LOT of boxes, even ones that I never thought that I would want.

 

That sounds amazing, man! Incredible job. I'm sure you'll work out all the issues. Good luck!

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Yes we have this working. We have 1070 upgrade kits available so you can order at anytime.

 

I'm just making sure that it's a simple matter of just plug n play? Will I need to use modded drivers or do unmodified drivers still work?

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Too bad the 1440p screen is trash tier.

 

Do you mean the 'striping' or is there something else to look out for regarding the 1440p displays?

 

Whether 32GB of RAM will speed up your computer compared to 16GB depends on your usage pattern.

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