*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

And audiophile Headphones, DAC/AMP, all peripherials and a very nice full desktop monitor, in the same money...

 

People can buy a high end suitcase for 400$ and a 29" monitor for use at home for 500$

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This means that this curved Azer 21" screen and the suitcase are overpriced. Aka Scam!!

 

guys STAHP, already got tears in my eyes laughing my butt off here at work

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You can probably make your own suitcase, your own screen, buy a used P879KM1 and a used car.

 

I imagine it would be possible to build a desktop+screen into that case, and then you have a nice system in the case too.

 

Probably the reason for this big Pelican suitcase. Limited editions aka 300 units means limited options for used/new MB when your warranty is expired and the whole soldered package go up into flames. Can this curved 21" screen be re-used in the suitcase?

 

Might take some doing, but I bet you could with some expanding foam.

 

Please pay our ransom and extend your warranty or this suitcase will self destruct. #AcerWannaCry

 

Highly needed... Acer Extended Service Plans. Wonder what this will cost you (If you have money back after spending a huge lot of money on this). Because up to +$10500 who is the price here home for this BiG Joke, is a hell lot of money And after this limited Acerbook 21X is Sold out, maybe Dell and Mr. Azor can reclaim the crown *Worlds badest BGABOOK with a new designed Aw18R2 this year?*

 

even a clevo 1070N is still at 115W TDP

 

Those 25W more where enough to burn the MOSFETs of an entire production run of Gecube 1070s by using the Clevo vBIOS. Same for BGA versions, they neither have the proper hardware nor power supply to fuel higher values...

A 1080 at stock clocks and stock voltage can pull 225W+ from the MXM slot without giving you any more performance than at 150W, simply removing limits is a disaster in the making...

 

hmmm....hopefully that's not an issue with MSI or actual Clevo cards

Though essentially it's either a part failure or a design failure.

 

Most models are simply not designed for anything above stock...especially the BGA models.
The MSI 1070 is a pretty robust card and the Clevo cards all have their own 8-Pin external power supply and are not pulling everything from the MXM slot alone.

That being said Pascal doesn't scale well beyond a certain point with more power and voltage as Maxwell used to do...there is a very small difference in results when running a 1080 bench at 200W or 270W...and that being with constant clocks and all 5 throttle removed: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/874587630431858688

 

I see. I was gonna try my luck by just bumping up to 150-170w to see if there's any effect, by that I mean higher clocks for longer.

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Your specific models MXM board hardware design was for 150W max...they used that in old beta vBIOS for testing, but your systems MXM slot is a different story...
Better don't combine high watts with high temps...benching on AC for a couple of minutes is something else than playing games for hours in a row.

 

So a P870DM-G MXM slot can't support anything higher or it wasn't factored into the testing?

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If MXM slot is all you have as power source then 150W is already considered high even on the latest models. We burned through a P870DM board during Maxwell vBIOS testing last year (sponsored for that purpose)...

 

Hmm... I see. Good on me to find this out after I buy the stuff lolz

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Just leave temp throttle in tact and don't go higher than 150W max...you already have the strongest and best hardware combo possible for this adventure...

 

Sounds like a plan.

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Didn't know that!

Thank you for sharing this with us!!

 

I might have gotten lost in this last conversation, but P775 pulls 210W on GTX 1080, have I read something wrong?

 

Re-read. For 1070 (150W max)

 

All BGA 1080 designs are 90W-150W max. The 1080 in MSI without additional power conector is 150W as well. ONLY the Clevo/MSI 1080s with additional power source are using a 190W/200W design.

 

I can confirm. I know one case of dead P870DM mobo after OC'ing 980M on PremaBIOS. GPU was pulling around 150-165w and after month dude burned his mobo. Mine GPU always black screened on more than 125w-130w in a short time so I was safe (when my GPU was pulling about 150-160w i had damn quick BS in a 20-30s so I can only confirm that 980M may pull so much - at least in 4K load).

 

Oh, I see. Thank you very much for taking the time to explain it again for me!

The difference between the BGA version and the Clevo mxm version of 1080 is high?

You wrote above that the BGA version doesn't bring more performance if it draws more power, but I'm curious if both at their default values, if mxm 1080 is stronger.

 

Stock 1070 with no throttling is already powerful enough for 1080p ultra setting gaming.

I understand though if users wanted to push performance further.

Would be interesting to have a power module made that plugs into the second MXM slot on SLI systems for more power.

 

Depends on framerate & display Hz combo. For 120fps it's often not enough sadly (in AAA games).

 

I should see what a clevo 1080 is spec'd to draw in its vbios and whether it's a range or a hard limit. Either way I will see if I'll still go ahead or just leave it and resell the programmer.

EDIT: The MSI 1080 is set to 200W while the clevo is set to 190W (probably due to the inclusion of external power).

Probably another reason why a P870DM-G can't run a 1080 either way.

 

I see that in the 1070 vbios that I am using it has throttling set to 54 Celsius and TDP set to 115/115 (base/max).

Thinking of setting just the TDP to 115/150 (base/max) rather than 151/180 (base/max) that I had originally planned to go through with.

OR

just resell the equipment.

EDIT: Very curious to know what the max watts from the MXM slot is. I read specs that it was 200w.

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The physical slot doesn't have a rating. You are not going to melt the slot. The limit will be the motherboard power circuitry. In your case your P870DM-G is rated for 266W sustained per MXM slot. For benches that's good for over 300W.

 

Thanks for that. What's the cause of a burn out so I know to avoid it or temper my expectations?

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You would blow the power FETs on the motherboard that supply power to the MXM slot.

 

Is that even possible if I bump up the 1070's TDP to 150w (or higher but still below 200, hence my max of 170-180w) assuming I keep throttling to the default?

would it just blow the GPU first then the mobo?

 

How would you bump it up? Hardware programmer?

I said i would gladly donate $20 or even $30 or $40 if someone hacked a current version of NVflash to bypass the Certificate 2.0 error after modding the Bios but I don't know if anyone wants to
I know if I offered $100 of course someone would do it but i'm on a fixed income on SSI..i cant just throw money around

 

Of course with a hardware programmer, I've been talking about it for the last few pages already.

EDIT: Programmer has shipped so just waiting on that and the other stuff... Won't get to it by at least the end of the month.

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I wonder if that's just that particular GPU chip since 980m != 1070.

My question is how can the mobo burn out if I set the GPU TDP to max at 150w and keep throttling in place? Is it peaking on the GPU side and then just causes a blowback in the system that affects the mobo's mosfets?

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Still motherboard is under same load, 150w pull is still 150w pull. I just remember my old H55M motherboard section melted under i5 750 4GHz after half year (but this is CPU case)
You're really tough man, on your place I would sell P870DM like I did this week. This game is just not worthy of playing (imho, subjective).
Our P870DM motherboard is tough too, but it can't hold insane loads after all - it's not designed to do so.

 

Is 150w considered insane? I would have thought it was quite mild to moderate. 200 is insane.

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I tought so too, but life verificated it quickly. Currently I consider 150w as end of a safe-zone. After this barrier it might work or burn. Imagine "safety chart", after 150w we have hyperinflation of risk.

 

Thought I run capped at 60fps for the majority of the games I play and the power usage fluctuates a lot.

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Indeed, I have point of vision where in 4K gpu was always under 100% extreme load without breaks for a rest or cool-down. But* even in FHD if you face the game that will push GPU to the limit, and you forget about it's TDP it might end badly. I know this is a black scenario but You have to keep it in mind.

 

I'm not fussed either way if i do or don't go through with it.

Might resell the programmer when I receive it.

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Khenglish said the P870DM mobo is good for 266W per MXM slot

Now how that peak limit translates into long term longevity is of course unknown. But given how hard some users have pushed it over time I'm confident in having it draw 130-140W per slot on OCed SLI 980Ms and a 6700K at 4.4-4.5, the thing just runs so damn cool with what I've done to it, heat sink fit, liquid metal, defoiling the base, sitting it on a stand, etc.

Mine hasnt blown up yet (well for that reason anyway... I killed it by having something drop in the socket which is pretty obvious user error) and I've seen the power meter on the wall peak at 606W

How much the DM3/KM1 is specced up over the DM1 to handle the pascal high end is unknown, but they seem to handle those 200W GPUs in SLI just fine.

 

You just replaced the mobo.

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On paper the P870DM motherboard has some of the strongest power circuitry any laptop has had ever. Each individual GPU supply is rated at 266W and the total motherboard power is rated at 1368W.

Now what is weak is an unmodified 980m power circuitry. An unmodded 980m cannot supply 150W+ longterm. It's only rated for around 140W. I'm thinking in your example the 980m blew and not the motherboard.

The 1070 significantly has beefier power circuitry than an unmodded 980m. I don't really see a scenario where the motherboard or GPU could die.

 

Although, a big factor is where the motherboard power FETs are located. If they are between the motherboard and MXM card like on the P150EM, they'll pick up heat from the GPU and I could see them blowing at around 200W sustained use, which an overclocked 1080 may be able to do.

 

The idea is to stay around the stock desktop 1070 range of 151 - 170w. That's it. My modded 980DT heatsink should be able to cope.

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980DT heatsink should easy hold it.