*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Custom GUI BIOS is nice, but license costs north of 100k on top of the regular annual fees...
When I read 240W PSU, I thought 'hey, now that's an OK base-line for a 1070 model', but I didn't know that it could be enough to supply an entire 1080 system...

Edit: You press FN+D buttons on Clevo to clear the CMOS.

 

I just left a comment. I wanted to go to town more but I was writing in from my phone.

 

That PSU w/ CPU GPU combo is still a disaster, lol.

 

A physical CMOS clear or reset has been available on laptops for a long time, not all have it but plenty do, and others have startup button sequences that accomplish the same.

It's needed on laptops because access to the CMOS battery isn't as easy as desktops.

It's not new either

 

That is why I ask because there's probably always been jumpers that work for the same purpose but aren't easy accessible.

 

There's not really any room or easy access to justify the maker putting "strap" points on their laptop motherboards.

 

I mean EVGA also used 230/240w for 6820 and 1070. Maybe they think unlocked 7820 use a lot less power vs. older unlocked Skylake BGA and a 240w psu should be proper although a more power hungry 1080. A strange world we live in

 

Using lies and deception must be fair game as a marketing practice now.

 

Nice Aluminum body will never give proper performance. Yoo pay for design and not performance!! Performance will always suffer for design when stupidity win. I don't understand why EVGA comes with those claims and telling you that this is a powerful laptop. Stupidity makes only more stupidity. All know Apple make design!! Not performance!! All in the whole world know this.

And EVGA selling this ****y on their well known name!! Almost worse than Max-Qrippled!! Because you purchase a not Max-Qrippled graphics. Even worse scam than Nvidia's latest ****y tricks. Why would you ****y your own brand... EVGA?

 

This little guy learned something new today. Now that I have introduced myself, he cannot say he doesn't know of one single person that upgrades anything except RAM and HDD/SSD. Maybe he would like to meet some more of you guys. http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=5461850#post5461850

 

Wait for numbers? LOOOL
And Upgrade ram? Two ram slots doesn't make the a big change. Amazing there is still 2 ram slots and not one of those already soldered.

 

@Robbo99999 and @Falkentyne and @bennyg - thanks for chiming in over there. Good posts from all of you... along with the nice post from @TBoneSan

@Falkentyne - that's a mighty big image you posted. I wonder why their forum doesn't automatically resize it to fit the page? Weird. You might want to fix that or a moderator might delete your posts.

 

I don't think EVGA knows the P870KM exists. How much is this supposed to cost, anyway?

And 240 W for a 1080? Even much more ordinary notebook like the Aorus X5 V7 or Clevo P650HS have 230 W adaptors for their notebooks (both only with GTX 1070s...) and EVGA thinks a godforsaken GUI BIOS is going to make a difference? I don't even care much about the BGA/LGA thing (given Hobson's choice I would rather have an MXM slot rather than an CPU), but this is just beyond stupid.

Seriously...

 

Btw. I posted. Not easy with 4" BGA


Edit. I'm sure EVGA haven't made changes regarding 240w psu vs. what they used before. It's a Joke. 240w psu, unlocked i7 and 1080 is... I don't know what to say. Maybe... Stupidity?? What's the point with decent bios GUI for overclocking if all you get is Battery boost or Throttling?

 

@Falkentyne how do you have a 99C prochot?

Nvm, forgot you got the 7820Hk.

 

Hah.
I'm on a warpath on the internet right now.

 

Great post, Brother @Papusan. Yes, using a smartphone is miserable for me, too. I hate it. I only do so as a last resort. But, thank you for posting.

 

@Mr. Fox may I ask a ....halfway offtopic question about DMI tables?

 

Sure, ask away. I'm not half as smart as some of you guys. If I don't know the answer maybe someone else will.

 

Sorry I was in a game.
Can you ask @Prema if the maximum power supply capacity can be "changed" (e.g. from 230W to 330W) to bypass the 7RE "limit" of 230W, by using DMI editing, or is this only set in the EC and nothing to do with DMI?

Example: (even though this value isnt even shown in AMIBCP in the Bios under DMI tables:

| /PP <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Power supply max power capacity in Type 39. |

===================================================================================

+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| AMIDEWIN64 Utility v5.19 (0015) |
| Copyright (C)2017 American Megatrends Inc. All Rights Reserved. |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Commands: |
| /ALL [FileName] Output SMBIOS string to screen/file. |
| /DMS [FileName] Create configuration file. |
| /DUMPALL [FileName] Output all SMBIOS data to screen/file. |
| /DUMP # [#] [#]... Read Type # data. |
| Options: |
| /IVN ["String"] Read/Write BIOS vendor name in Type 0. |
| /IV ["String"] Read/Write BIOS version in Type 0. |
| /ID ["String"] Read/Write BIOS release date in Type 0. |
| /SM ["String"] Read/Write System manufacture in Type 1. |
| /SP ["String"] Read/Write System product in Type 1. |
| /SV ["String"] Read/Write System version in Type 1. |
| /SS ["String"] Read/Write System Serial number in Type 1. |
| /SU [16 Bytes] Read/Write System UUID in Type 1. |
| /SU AUTO Generates system UUID automatically and update Type 1. |
| /SK ["String"] Read/Write System SKU number in Type 1. |
| /SF ["String"] Read/Write System family in Type 1. |
| /BM ["String"] Read/Write Baseboard manufacture in Type 2. |
| /BP ["String"] Read/Write Baseboard product in Type 2. |
| /BV ["String"] Read/Write Baseboard version in Type 2. |
| /BS ["String"] Read/Write Baseboard Serial number in Type 2. |
| /BT ["String"] Read/Write Baseboard Asset Tag in Type 2. |
| /BLC ["String"] Read/Write Baseboard Loc. in Chassis in Type 2. |
| /BMH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Baseboard manufacture in Type 2. |
| /BPH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Baseboard product in Type 2. |
| /BVH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Baseboard version in Type 2. |
| /BSH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Baseboard Serial number in Type 2. |
| /BTH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Baseboard Asset Tag in Type 2. |
| /BLCH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Baseboard Loc. in Chassis in Type 2. |
| /CM ["String"] Read/Write Chassis manufacture in Type 3. |
| /CT [8 Bits] Read/Write Chassis type in Type 3. |
| /CV ["String"] Read/Write Chassis version in Type 3. |
| /CS ["String"] Read/Write Chassis Serial number in Type 3. |
| /CA ["String"] Read/Write Chassis Tag number in Type 3. |
| /CO [32 Bits] Read/Write Chassis OEM-defined value in Type 3. |
| /CSK ["String"] Read/Write Chassis SKU number in Type 3. |
| /CMH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Chassis manufacture in Type 3. |
| /CTH <handle #> [8 bits] |
| Read/Write Chassis type in Type 3. |
| /CVH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Chassis version in Type 3. |
| /CSH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Chassis Serial number in Type 3. |
| /CAH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Chassis Tag number in Type 3. |
| /COH <handle #> [32 bits] |
| Read/Write Chassis OEM-defined value in Type 3. |
| /CSKH <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Chassis SKU number in Type 3. |
| /PSN ["String"] Read/Write Processor serial number in Type 4. |
| /PAT ["String"] Read/Write Processor asset tag in Type 4. |
| /PPN ["String"] Read/Write Processor part number in Type 4. |
| /OS [<Number> <"String">] |
| Read/Write OEM string in Type 11. |
| /SCO [<Number> <"String">] |
| Read/Write Sys. Configuration Op. in Type 12. |
| /PBL <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery Location in Type 22. |
| /PBM <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery Manufacturer in Type 22. |
| /PBD <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery ManuDate in Type 22. |
| /PBS <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery Serial Number in Type 22. |
| /PBN <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery Device Name in Type 22. |
| /PBCH <handle #> [8 Bits] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery Device Chemistry in Type 22. |
| /PBCA <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery Design Capacity in Type 22. |
| /PBV <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery Design Voltage in Type 22. |
| /PBSV <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery SBDS Ver. Num. in Type 22. |
| /PBE <handle #> [8 Bits] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery Maxmum Error in Type 22. |
| /PBSN <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery in SBDS Ser. Num. in Type 22. |
| /PBSD <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery in SBDS Manu. Date. in Type 22. |
| /PBSC <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery in SBDS Dev. Chem. in Type 22. |
| /PBCM <handle #> [8 Bits] |
| Read/Write Port. Battery in Design Cap Multi in Type 22. |
| /PBO <handle #> [32 Bits] |
| Read/Write Por. Bat. in OEM-Specific Type 22. |
| /PU <handle #> [8 Bits] |
| Read/Write Power supply unit group in Type 39. |
| /PL <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Power supply location in Type 39. |
| /PD <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Power supply device name in Type 39. |
| /PM <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Power supply manufacturer in Type 39. |
| /PS <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Power supply serial number in Type 39. |
| /PT <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Power supply asset tag number in Type 39. |
| /PN <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Power supply model part number in Type 39. |
| /PR <handle #> ["String"] |
| Read/Write Power supply revision level in Type 39. |
| /PP <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Power supply max power capacity in Type 39. |
| /PC <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Power supply characteristics in Type 39. |
| /PVH <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Power supply voltage probe handle in Type 39. |
| /PDH <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Power supply cooling dev. handle in Type 39. |
| /PCH <handle #> [16 Bits] |
| Read/Write Power supply current probe handle in Type 39. |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. The expression enclosed by <> means it is a mandatory field. |
| 2. The expression enclosed by [] means it is an optional field. |
| 3. A command without parameter means it is a read command. |
| 4. A command with necessary parameter means it is a write command. |
| 5. The format of BIOS release date is "mm/dd/yyyy". |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

 

As I said, " I'm not half as smart as some of you guys" and I'm like a deer caught in the headlights now. I don't have a clue.

Since you've tagged @Prema you just asked him yourself.

 

DMI tables are just info text and not used for having any actual effect.
Changing it is like calling yourself Mrs. instead of Mr.
It won't suddenly miraculously change your actual gender.

Edit: Sorry if this is stupid example. I don't intend to offend anyone.

 

You know it's 2017 when you have to put these kind of disclaimers on the most benign of analogies.

 

There's one more thing to hate about Optimus: you can't use NVENC and CUVID hardware acceleration. My poor CPU gets rekt every time I want to transcode videos...

 

I put in this "EVGA advertisement" from Notebookcheck.net

 

Wow, $3K for a disposable BGA turdbook is pretty crazy. A Tornado F5/EVOC 16L-G-1080 or P870 with 7700K and single 1080 will tear its head off and poop down its neck.

 

But as stated in the NBC article in bottom... If you're an laptop overclocking enthusiasts, maybe it's worth it


Edit. The price would probably be higher with Max-Q

 

I posted the same.

 

EVGA went probably with the special crafted 240W due use of the unlocked 7820hk. If not, maybe 180w would be chosen.

Btw. Ain't Razer's best laptop model (7820 + 1080) coming with the stronger 250w psu ?

 

Ah, you jumped on them and made things just a bit funnier by being so straight to the point

 

I just finished reading it now. thank you, everyone, for a great job there! Quite amusing to see so many people doing this.

I'd want to add that I have been tinkering with the idea of purchasing a BGA GTX 1060 laptop for travel and work while on a trip, because they are quite cheap (under 1K $) and they are light, but that would never be something to overclock. Like, absolutely never.

In the light of this, I'd like to also mention that I agree with everybody, all laptop max scores for OC are done on Clevo laptops, no sense in them saying that it is the "first true OC laptop", that is kinda misleading.

If I have enough free time, and if brother @Prema / or a reseller wants this, I might be able to draw something like a GUI for the BIOS, but I don't know how to program it, just throwing the idea that I might have the skill to and be curious to try help with that, although it would take a lot of coordination to make anything like a proper GUI for OC from within the BIOS and enable the same level of control Clevo users have now with prema BIOS.

 

That's an amazing offer, dude! I hope @Prema takes you up on it. Then all Prema BIOS retailers will love it, and I think the customers will too.

Also, and I know @Papusan and @Mr. Fox will vehemently disagree with me, a BGA 1060 for sub-1k is okay IMO for on-the-go gaming. Especially considering that I don't know of any socketed 1060 laptop under 1k. Good luck bro!

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Hey, even BGA notebooks can be overclocked (well, not if you buy a Razer Blade, but that's only thin, but not exactly cheap). Perhaps the Clevo P950HP?

 

I don't know that I would vehemently disagree unless you were to ask me to spend my own money on something like that. I would definitely vehemently disagree about that. The biggest problem with BGA filth is that's almost the only thing left to buy now. Good high performance laptop options are on the verge of being totally non-existent. What I use for my own measuring stick is this... If I can afford to toss it into a dumpster if stops working, not lose any sleep over it or feel any financial loss, BGA is just fine and the price is right.

 

Indeed. I would love to see a professional-looking BIOS, rather than the gaudy highlights we have with all the gamer-y boards. I'd love to see some concepts

I don't think there exist notebooks with MXM GTX 1060s, let alone GTX 1060s and an LGA socket. There is the W650KK1, with a BGA GTX 1050 Ti and LGA socket.

 

Do we know something about the nVidia Graphics card next gen?

 

It's not here yet

Volta Datacenter edition is due end of the year, shipping next year, then desktop release, then laptop release, so maybe March for laptops - shipping a month or two after, dribbling out from vendors as they get them into production.

 

March, ouch, that's too much to wait...
I think I'll just wait for Coffee Lake and 1070/1080...

 

Coffee Lake is on about the same schedule for the laptop CPU versions. The first editions will be ULV and desktop; IDK how quickly the Clevo models will come out but from what I've heard it's not soon.

 

so get a kaby lake + 1070 before the year is out or wait till 2018?

 

Yes, I'll get that combo if I can, my GT72VR broken and im searching for another laptop, I can't wait more than 1-2 months because I need gaming as **** xD.

 

My P870DM-G is still quite good functionally but it's heavy so I am looking for a lighter alternative.

 

Right now I like this one: CLEVO P775DM3-G
But I think spend 2150€ right now in a 7700k+1070 is not the best idea because I think Coffee Lake would arrive sooner than later.

 

the P650HS-G would be a good alternative for me since it would need to be light enough to carry on a plane and the P870DM-G weighs about 5kg so anything that's about half the weight is good.

 

My GT73 with a 6820 and 1070 uses 228W (measured with a Killawatt) when with my 4.1 +100/+150 OC settings, I don't see how 240W will cut it. I'm a long time customer of EVGA and I looked at the first SC17 but I just couldn't pull the trigger, I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about this one either.

 

Yup, the 230w barely covers an OC'd 1070, and some buy a 330w to reduce the load on the PSU for longer life.

The MSI 16L13 with LGA "K" CPU can hit even higher power draw, and same goes for migrating from a 230w to 330w there too.

None of the 1080's with under 330w PSU's can sustain full performance even stock, definitely not with useful OC.

Max-Q is a codification of that strangled power limitation method of detuning via power limit's.

Razer started this trend (BAD RAZER!!), and too many are copying that low power trend. They are all competing with each other for the least sucky underpowered detuned 1080 laptop

 

I posted a question on EVGA. https://forums.evga.com/Introducing-the-EVGA-SC17-1080-GSYNC-Gaming-Laptop-m2704625.aspx

 

Cool, let's see if they answer

I checked their SC 17 1080 product page, and I couldn't find a PSU reference, and the manual doesn't list it either, only the Guru3d article has the quote:
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=768-55-2633-T1
https://www.evga.com/support/manuals/files/758-21-2633.pdf
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/evga-launches-evga-sc17-1080-g-sync-gaming-laptop.html

"Breaking away from the conventional brick form factor, a unique in house EVGA designed power supply delivers up to 240 watts of power when needed, without sacrificing function and aesthetics."

Are we sure EVGA didn't bump it up to 330w for this model? Where did that quote come from that lists 240w?

 

They could have a stronger PSU but then the question is will it cool properly. I also didn't see any GPU speeds listed but I have only had time to scan the information.

 

The reference to "aesthetics" of a power supply says to me they chose a lower capacity PSU to save on size and weight.

Is that what "overclockers" told EVGA they wanted in an "overclocking" laptop? Saving a couple hundred grams on a powerbrick is more important than having it power throttle like a b*tch when you actually want to overclock it?