*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

It's been said before as the excuse for providing an underpowered PSU with a laptop that's going to be starved for power and underperform due to the power limits.

Vendors claim people don't want a heavy power supply to carry around. I've seen clueless comments from would be buyers confirming this - "gee I wish the power supply was smaller, why can't they make them smaller, those big power supplies are so heavy".

Eat your Wheaties and get tough should be how the vendors respond. Don't starve the performance of the laptop, instead feed and strengthen the buyers so they can get strong enough to handle the weight of power.

This lack of power couples nicely with the "thin" laptop syndrome buyers, throttling the performance of the laptop from all sides, thermal cooling is reduced so why supply more power - it can't handle cooling more power.

"But we want thin laptops and smaller power supplies because we are too weak to carry them" - Millennial's, apparently.

Eat your Wheaties Like the Big Boys, and get tough!!




"That sounds great, but are Wheaties Gluten Free?" - Millennial's, most likely

 

Maybe the EVGA laptop has a 1080 Max-Q card, that's why they can use a 240w PSU.

 

I didn't see them mention Max-Q specifically, but Razer's similar power starvation method predates Max-Q.

Max-Q also requires a quiet mode limit of 39dba, maybe they couldn't match that requirement?

Wow, to fail at meeting Max-Q lameage, is that worse, or better?

 

Razer use 250w psu with 1080 if I remember correctly. And EVGA lower the standard further with use of 240w psu for laptops with same 1080. What's worse? And EVGA is known for decent hardware.

 

I wonder if it is MAX Q but they don't want to admit it, lol.

Still no replies to my pose at EVGA.

 

Ain't most 1080Max-Q books with 180w psu? Those with 7700BGA. I'm not sure if 1080Max-Qripped laptops comes with 7820. Outside Razer's models who was Nvidia's GP.

 

@hmscott - does the Aorus X7 DT v7 score below average for a 1080? From the thread I've been following with an excellent review be @Derek712 , it seems to be borderline OK. I may be wrong though.

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TGH I haven't looked too closely at the Mac Qs, some day I would like a thin gaming laptop but it';s gotta be a performer.

 

Mind you... Thin and flimsy will never ever be a performer. You can't change the laws of physics. It's a reason you shouldn't put a 7960X in a 10-12 liters chassis with a minimum Performing Air cooler. Same for AMD's Threadripper. And I haven't talked about OC'ing.

 

At least not at the moment. Down the road who knows how thermal efficiency will have increased?

 

Yeah, and how much better normal design could be. You can't change the laws of physics!! Never ever!! Even Einstein would be agreed with my conclusion

 

Or we hit some point where the bottleneck isn't cooling, and while that problem is being solved, the system form factor is continually improved. Then it causes no arguments with Einstein.

 

Very possible with photonics. Our computers today are still incredibly inefficient—meaning to say that theoretically speaking we absolutely don't need several hundred watts to make the calculations that we do. On such a scale we have an extremely long way to go. Our computers are still glorified space heaters: we are still turning 99.99999% of the electricity to heat, to make fairly straightforward calculations. It means we have a looong way to go. Who knows, we might actually end up having super-light and yet super-powerful machines.

 

It may be "thin", but it's 9lb.... nah...

 

I heard Einstein only buys AMD

 

LOL.

 

Photonics is kind of the direction I was thinking. I know it's not really a consumer-viable tech and won't be for a while, but eventually we're going to get all we can out of the current methods and have to move on to something else.

 

Depends on your relative position and velocity when observing his preference.

 

Well, the fact that you're observing his preference in the first place, will collapse his preference wavefunction, too...

 

It's looking green to me.

 

I dont think its impossible to have high performance enthuiast laptops in chassis like the asus max q laptop. There are optimizations and better method that can be used . @Papusan @D2 Ultima

 

Maybe, but the OEMS wouldn't make much headroom for overclocking. Most likely barely enough for stock clocks.

 

I disagree. It comes down to the laws of physics. Yes, one can get relatively strong power in such a small form factor, but it will never match the top dogs. It just simply is so. If you could let's say shove the maximum power card into the size of a zephyrus when Volta's successor comes out, then all it means is that they didn't bother making anything stronger. More area to cool, more cooling potential, higher power draw potential, all amount to something. Take the 6700K for example. It's pretty power-frugal, does not draw over 100W easily. That's artificially limited, though. They could have launched a 6-core skylake if they wanted. Or an 8-core. It would have required better cooling and more power. They just didn't. Just like how Kaby Lake is on the X299 platform alongside the 6/8/10/12/14/18 core chips. That in itself ought to prove that they could make things work if they wanted. Coffee Lake needs new boards apparently but they clearly are re-using 1151 socket for it.

Optimization to the max can happen and tiny form factors can get super strong, but if you want more power/speed/etc there comes a limit where size/power input/cooling needs to increase to match. So no, I don't think an "enthusiast" machine will ever end up in one of those things, or the top-dog power levels either. Otherwise server racks wouldn't need to exist

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Seen the comments (Trending topic) EVGA launching their new JOKEBOOK in Anandtech.com ?

 

Thanks, Brother @Papusan - I left some information to clear up any confusion their readers may have.

http://www.anandtech.com/comments/1...top-core-i77820hk-geforce-gtx-1080-tb3/572319

 

https://liliputing.com/2017/08/hp-omen-x-gaming-laptop-makes-upgrades-easy.html

This article promises "Easy Upgrades" so I was hoping for MXM. I didn't get through the entire video yet but it hasn't mentioned it. The processor is soldered.
It appears to be the cheapest mechanical keyboard in a laptop you can buy though.

 

Beware of marketing lies and deception. @Mobius 1 has a review of the Omen. It's not a good product. HP has not been relevant in gaming or high performance enthusiast PC or notebook circles in more than a decade. To most of these clowns "upgrades" means nothing more than increasing RAM and storage capacity. You can do that on most consumer products.

Edit: the mere fact that they are not showcasing the internals, making a point about using MXM and only providing fancy looking CGI hype and hoopla in the video should be the first clue that something isn't right and it won't be anything to write home about.

 

All the press I can find so far is only a few hours old- could you link me to the review of this machine if you have it? I realize it's most likely BGA but I still like to read up on these things.

 

Sure. Link below. This may be a different product, but extreme caution is still advised. HP does not have an reputation for producing excellent high performance computers. Their reputation is built on a couple of very nice business class notebooks and lots of cheap mass produced mainstream consumer trash. Reading up on these things is a good idea, so I think you are smart for doing that.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hp-omen-17-review-skylake-1070.805181/

 

Thanks. The one I just posted appears to be a little different, and is actually using "easy upgrades" as a selling point in their video. I am wondering if there's a chance for MXM. While I realize the Omen quality is pretty low, I am hoping that they are actually going to try something new and turn a new leaf. [I don't have very much hope though so I probably won't be disappointed LOL]

 

We can only hope. If they use MXM they have potential to be a better solution that the junk that does not. That would be nice for a change. Would be a pretty huge change for HP, too. Hope is always a good thing to have. Especially when the situation is starting to look hopeless.

Edit: Darn it... already off my list... HK soldered feces CPU. So, it's going to be cah-cah even if it has MXM. So much for hope, LOL.

 

What is MX150 and why? Rather, why is that sold in over 700$ laptops, when a 1000$ laptop should embrace GTX 1060?...

 

The one I reviewed is 2016 model using 2015 pavilion chassis with only a new bottom panel.

The Omen X should be an interesting machine to look at. It's their first foray into *proper* enthusiast laptop since it has an HK CPU and not HQ like the 2015-7 Omen series.

Profit margin.

 

It's he mobile version of the desktop GeForce GT 1030

Enthusiast laptop? Interesting machine? Bruh, What have you eat today?

 

Not likely, but if it has a normal MXM-sized 1080 in it, it might be a good product to rob parts from for GPU upgrades on better-built older machines. I suspect it is just going to be another BGA turdbook for the mainstream gamer kiddos. The video was composed entirely of marketing hype and no photos of the guts, so all we can do is speculate if the rest of the machine is going to be as gimped as the CPU.

 

It's interesting to see if the performance and EC holds up to enthusiast standard since the parts are unlocked. Although the BGA will always invalidate the machine as a whole.

Most likely not. But we'll see.

 

More advertising of the new Hopeless-Packard by Hothardware.com
"A Master piece for Overclockers"

Don't hold your breath, bruh It's HP.

 

Word! +5 rep for the perfect word choice.

 

"The chassis of the Omen X Laptop has been designed in such a way to ensure that your overclocking experiments don’t result an epic fail for your gaming hardware."

Who wrote this garbage? Katy Perry?

 

That's hilarious! +5 Rep.

"Heck, it measures 1.4 inches thick and weighs more than 10 pounds." - at least they didn't go brain dead on this part with some thin and light filthbook approach. It may not be enough to redeem it from the fires of BGA hell, but at least it won't fail on that basis alone.

 

The upgrades that they meant lol. Anyone remembers that Acer 21X Uber-Trash $9000 BGA turdware "see through" ?

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The meaning of "Overclocking" According to HP.

Yet they say it has all the bells and whistles, smoke and mirrors, Pure Trash. Just a blend of all the BGA jokerbooks costing over $2K+, Same like all others..

I don't have any hopes on OEMs except Clevo and MSI, never.

 

Maybe this Hewlett-Packard can throw the other JokeBook's down from the BGA top? Aka a new BGA King for single graphics Turds? Same as the first AcerBook Predator crushed first Alienbook "Echo" models in benchmarks early 2015

 

The difference of money tho.,..

I mean, one could easily go to 1000$ for 1060 iunstead of going for 700$ for 1030...

 

Maybe so. I guess we will see. But, since we are talking about the masters of BGA it would be Turd Queen instead of Turd King. Either way, their subjects are still the Jokers and Court Jesters.

 

When HP changed their Omen gaming laptops to resemble rebrands of the Pavilion notebook-Notebookcheck.net there was quite a negative response on enthusiast forums. Complaints centered around the creaky build quality and subpar screen performance on a gaming branded laptop.
"HP has been teasing a refresh of their Omen laptop series, giving them a look that differentiates them from the Pavillion, and stuffing them with the performance parts we expect in a branded gaming laptop." Differentiates them from the PAVILLION? How? They contain exactly same internals aka same soldered filth. Only the exterior is changed. I see, better build quality and better screen performance doesn't make it better in the real deal... The true Power!! Only filth in a new design.

Edit. How is it possible come with such ****y talk?Wccftech.com Sink and sink In reputation. When will they reach the bottom? @Mr. Fox

 

Wow, there is just no shortage on companies that are willing to tell lies and make deceptive statements about the trash they sell to make money. It's shameful, and there will be many noobs deceived into purchasing a disposable pile of trash by their fake baloney.

I couldn't let the asinine opening statement about this jokebook slide through unnoticed. They are shameless liars... they will say anything to make a buck.

http://www.pcgamer.com/hps-omen-x-g..._campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb#comment-3482989326

 

You talk about the companies aka the OEM/vendors/resellers who always think/will help their own sick mother. I will put in this... Don't forget the reviewers who sitting writing on sites/YouTube who are willing to post the same ****y/or make their own words on their own web channel/page. They have no integrity and have no scruples push out this false claims/info from the OEMs!! They are even worse or on same low level as the OEMs who try fooling buyers to buy their utter trash. They are masters in giving out wrong info with their flashy sales websites.

Young kids/first time computer buyers relying on statements coming from the advertising from reviewers websites!! No wonder we have sad times in the notebook segment!!

 

Checking out the smallest GTX 1080 Ti EVER MADE!

 

@hmscott Thanks for sharing that - I have that exact case for my desktop and I'm intrigued now!

 

@Mr. Fox https://liliputing.com/2017/08/asrock-launches-deskmini-pc-discrete-graphics-slot.html

Check this guy out- supports MXM 1080's apparently!
It isn't a laptop form figure, but any sign of life is a good one IMO.