*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

See this new machine abortion from Aorus - X9 $3649 for Single 330W PSU GTX 1070 SLI and HK chip and say it's inspired with Jet fighters and Supercars, AW18 suffers from power cap with the same power brick lock on 980M SLI + Haswell chip but after 4 refreshes we still have one single brick LOL, more people will fly towards this now so thin at 1.18 Inches and Quad Fans , I don't know why this laptop is refreshed...(see this old NBC review)

I'm hoping the Z390 refresh from Intel which will have 9700K or whatever LGA CPU with 8C/16T must sport a Metallic Chassis, not like the AL used in the BGAmachine above but a solid MG Alloy like M18x R2 before. Atleast ONE machine with metal chassis from Clevo before 2020.

 

As in their advertising... “AORUS further presents one click overclocking ability that increases your CPU speed of up to 15% over the Intel 7700HQ CPU.“ Amazing What is 4 core clock speed for 7700Hq? 3.4GHz ? I can see why they needed quad fans But Not due the amazing OC performance.

 

Does anyone think Nvidia can pull this off?

NVIDIA Tells Retailers To Sell To Gamers, Not Cryptominers As GPU Shortage Causes Extreme Price Gouging
by Rob Williams — Saturday, January 20, 2018
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-tells-retailers-to-sell-to-gamers-not-cryptominers

"There are many examples today of how PC gaming is flourishing better than ever. You only have to look towards the eSports market to understand how alive and well the ecosystem is. Games like PUBG are being played by the millions, and naturally, that's making many more want to explore the PC gaming world and the gear that are the tools of the trade.


Try and take one guess as to why GPU prices are so rough right now...

This should be a time when every old-school PC gamer should be gloating; grinning from ear-to-ear. PC gaming isn't dead; it's actually picking up steam in a big way and so is the DIY PC build market. However, there is one thing that's acting as a wrench in any PC builder's gears: the pricing. There's no way around it: it's downright painful right now. Cryptocurrency mining isn't the only reason for it, but it's the one dynamic acting as a true roadblock to people getting their rigs built.



Memory prices are getting more wallet-punishing right now as well, but not to the extent of GPUs. A GeForce GTX 1080 from NVIDIA carries an MSRP of $499, and there have been many occasions in the past where cards at that price could be found on etailers like Amazon and Newegg. Today, those same cards can cost over $1,000. GeForce GTX 1080 Tis can be found for $1,400 very easily.

Here's a bit more proof that mining is hurting PC gaming:



That's not one, not two, but six GeForce GTX 1080 cards priced at $6,700. That's a $3,700 premium over buying the cards at SRP. We're in a strange period where tech reviewers essentially have no reason to even review GPUs and subsequently recommend any. We have no idea how long this gouging is going to last, but there's at least one company hoping to do something about it: NVIDIA.

You'll have to excuse our archaic German translation skills (Google Translate) to relay information from tech site ComputerBase. However, at least in Europe, NVIDIA is asking etailers to limit the number of cards that can wind up in one customer's hands. The suggested limit is two, which given the current situation seems fair. But is it enough?

NVIDIA can request whatever it wants, but it's up to etailers, and brick and mortar retailers to actually enforce those suggestions. Some may choose not to, and really, it's hard to blame them when they're simply taking advantage of a bubble."

 

Interestingly enough, Nvidia also values the blockchain boys (and girls) more than other 'datacenters' since the newest version of the GeForce software license allows them a specific exemption:

[Under 2. Grant of License]
2.1.3 Limitations.​

No Modification or Reverse Engineering. Customer may not modify (except as provided in Section 2.1.2), reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE, nor attempt in any other manner to obtain the source code.

No Separation of Components. The SOFTWARE is licensed as a single product. Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer, nor otherwise used separately from the other parts.

No Sublicensing or Distribution. Customer may not sell, rent, sublicense, distribute or transfer the SOFTWARE; or use the SOFTWARE for public performance or broadcast; or provide commercial hosting services with the SOFTWARE.

No Datacenter Deployment. The SOFTWARE is not licensed for datacenter deployment, except that blockchain processing in a datacenter is permitted.​

The definition of 'datacenter' is non-existent but, given their stance (and what their partners sell), you can bet it's pretty low. Is 6 or 8 cards too many? This really hurts the small academic/business research labs that run molecular dynamics, deep learning, or other GPU heavy research. Sure, Nvidia wants to push the Tesla series cards but they'll block out huge sectors by making it mandatory (also blocking out numerous CUDA developers as well).
Given a low end 4x 1080Ti Exxact AMBER/GROMACS workstation is $8k, and a 2x Tesla system is already at "Contact Sales", the breakpoint for small-customer shock induction is pretty low, and stringing a bunch of 1080s together yourself looks pretty attractive-- Forced to use Teslas only? Forget it, project cancelled. (Sure you say, get over it, just buy a $160k DGX-1 deep learning system and save yourself the build time, lol)

But, what's with the blockchain exception? I'd go along with it wholeheartedly if it was for non-profit blockchain centers curing cancer and doing good for humanity... .. ... unless of course they were using my donation to buy the equipment

 

This is what Nvidia is afraid of... Losing money!!

"The sudden surge of hundreds of thousands of cards in the used market reeks havoc on the market and instead of a severe supply shortage the balance tips to a huge surplus. To the point where the GPU manufacturer is unable to sell their inventory and in some cases have to write it off at a huge loss. Something AMD had to do back in 2014 after the crypto market crashed and used Radeon GPUs flooded the 2nd hand market."
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Nvidia + (AMD) just think about their own sick mother... And Not on the Gamers or you!! Don't let you be fooled or tricked by Greedy GPU manufacturers. In fact, the same for all who push hard for more money.

 

They may be greedy but cryptominers are really killing it with their farms, and when they try to sell those GPUs they used i'd rather buy one from nvidia overpriced. They rape them 24/7 lol.

 

They are not producing anything useful for the world. In fact they are damaging both the fun peple can have, and the economy. Cryptocurrencies are not stabilizing the economy but they are further unsettling it...

 

And consumming a lot of energy in the meantime. Its Just an elaborate bubble, ora ponzy scheme. Lets see when it'll be over.

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While in the GPU section, I overheard a salesman at Micro Center ask a customer if it was for gaming or mining. The guy said it was strictly for gaming, then the salesman went on talking to him about how bitcoin mining is hurting the normal everyday gamers.

I'd like to have heard the guy say it was for "mining" just to hear the reaction.

Yeah, the GPU section looked as if they just had a liquidation sale too. There was like (1) GTX 1070 in the glass case and a few 1030-1060"s on the shelves. unreal man!

 

HP Omen X 17 (7820HK, GTX 1080, 120 Hz FHD) Laptop Review

How is it possible that Noteboocheck.net wanted give this piece of trashbook a score of 87%? It contain a Unlocked Mobile Cpu who barely can compete with the 15w Core i7-8650U in the Surface Book 2 See the pict below.

Processor
The Intel Core i7-7820HK shares quite a bit in common with the Core i7-7700HQ. Both processors are 45 W, designed for power and are commonly found in gaming notebooks or high-end workstation machines. Single-threaded testing pegs the Omen X 17 toward the bottom of the 7820HK stack by about 5-7%. Multi-threaded testing shows a similar result; the Omen X 17 beats out only the MSI GT75VR Titan Pro, with the other 7820HK notebooks trumping it by about 9-13%. (Surprisingly, the Core i7-8650U in the Surface Book 2 edges out the 7820HK in Cinebench's single-threaded render test.).

The 7820HK is an unlocked processor, which means it can be overclocked (provided there is enough thermal headroom for the CPU to remain stable). HP includes its own overclocking tool via the Omen Control Center software suite; this tool consists of CPU multiplier and voltage sliders that can be tweaked and a benchmark that measures the stability of the CPU. The default multiplier is set to 35x. In our testing, we were unable to get a stable overclock at any multiplier between 37x and 40x with voltage set to +0.510V. Performance was shaky in both the Omen Center benchmark and Cinebench with some multipliers giving lower scores and hitting lower clock speeds, and one setting (38x CPU multiplier, +0.505 V) crashed the system and forced a full reboot. Given the high thermal output of the CPU at its base multiplier (more on this in the Stress Test below), we opted not to push the silicon any further.


The power adapter is thicker than the notebook. Design before functionality. And I meant it for the notebook. Not the PSU.

 

That makes me very very sad....

It really is a sad day when surface thingy beats what was supposed to be the unlocked i7 CPU...

 

Holy hell I don't think I've ever seen +500mV outside of extreme overclocking LN2 abuse

 

Yes, it is very sad. The Omen is clearly broken and malfunctioning. Not a great product to begin with, but there is no explanation for the Surface to have a better Cinebench score other than malfunction.

I am thinking that must be a typo. That seems crazy to increase it by that much. That could also explain why it ran so poorly if it is not a typo. Not a good/reliable review. The 87% rating seems way off base, too.

The window on the bottom panel that allows you to look at nothing special is also weird and stupid. I don't even understand why they did that... really goofy.

 

They're obviously paid to trump up the review scores.

I also remember this ****ery. See how quickly they slide off the 230W PSU issue?

 

Overclocking can only be performed with OEM's own software. We will see more of this in the future. Also Alienware went the same route. See the link, you can't use ThrottleStop the way it could be used before. This is same as going backwards into the future. Nice, offer the people higher priced <unlocked> processors... But in reality they are almost fully locked down as the cheaper Hq's.


This is Furmark. Not a Cpu benchmark. Follow Cpu package Power vs. Max Cpu temp. As you can see... The Unified heatsink (who is the standard in nowadays notebooks) can't keep the Cpu cold if you have max load on Graphics.

 

Oh my goodness! The BIOS has a TPM setting! What a beast! Dang, let me rush out and buy that right now!

 

What more can be said? They have probably mixed up. The more correct should be... Unstoppable throttling.

 

No, I think they actually meant to say that. They simply forgot to add the words "of deception" after the word power. Honest mistake on their part.

 

This gives a new meaning to BGA being Garbage.

This is trash. It's so bad that the CPU temperature spikes up fast and hard before its' even utilized for anything useful. And I think this explains the inconsistencies that NB check observed with their benchmarks.

 

90-95C under a 25-30W load? Ugh. The thing weighs 5 bloody kilograms and cools like it's a thin n bendy

 

What a total POS. Glad my I still have my Eurocom Tornado F5. After delidding my 6700K I am running -175mV with all 4 cores at 4.0 and maxing around 70C with 100% load. Looking at those screen shots just makes me sad.

 

The Omen X is just disgusting. Misleading marketing, crappy performance under load, the list goes on and on. For 5kg, they could have fit a LGA CPU and even a vapor chamber in there, along with an unlocked BIOS. It looks like for most laptops, @Prema is the only hope to avoid crappiness.


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I might ask here as well, I am looking for some advice

 

BITNAND Offers Up A Mining Optimized GTX 1060 6GB Card For Just $389
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-in-the-world-right-now-nvidia.806608/page-16

 

This is the future.

Expect this to be the trend with future gaming notebooks.

Manufacturers are getting dumber and thicker with every generation.

Really, HP: What's the point? Why do these guys *even* try to make gaming laptops? Clearly they should've quit ages ago and returned to making BGA crapshit for office users.

Holding on to my beloved Clevo P751DM2-G even more tightly.

 

I've been saying this for a while, but Clevo is the last one standing to make such laptops, everyone else went nuts with silly design choices

The current gaming laptops even go as far as making their machines thick and heavy tho they can't get cooling right...

 

Seriously HP, for a 5kg machine and still can't get cooling right?

Which reminds me of this ****, because **** HP, thats' why!

 

What's the relationship between the TPM setting and overclocking? Isn't the TPM just for data security reasons?

It does have a vapor chamber

 

If only the vapor chamber was implemented well enough by HP to actually cool the components @Mr. Fox @Papusan


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None have talked about TPM settings. I talked about "Overclocking can only be performed with OEM's own software". And yeah you are correct on this about data security. TPM is for security (read the thread)

Is not the same as that it's a wonder if it's not designed properly.

 

Is that kind of like a turbo-charged lawn mower?

 

You highlighted the bit about TPM settings so I thought they were related.
I'm trying one of these Omens out.

The PSU is actually smaller than the usual 333W brick we see around. Its 720cm3 while the Delta is around 750. And I like seeing a new 330W brick, doesn't get too hot too.

So far my -120mV undervolt is sticking fine. Temps are good with regular paste, it doesn't thermal throttle but it could get better boost speeds... It's a little lacking.

Maybe not the best to talk about your buddies about crazy cinebench scores but it's awesome for gaming. The 120Hz IPS is a little blurry when compared to similar TN panels but it's a delight to use. Keyboard is amazing and, because it's "thick", you don't feel any temperature diferential on the keyboard or palmrest. Cool gaming all the time. It's also pretty quiet.

I know you guys don't like BGAbooks but this one is one is quite interesting. IF they figure out the overclocking utility which I haven't tried yet.
I think that if the undervolt is applied thru throttleshop and the multiplier thru the omen OC app everything will stick fine, but I gotta test it out.

 

Sorry, if I wasnt clear enough. It was the OC part I talked about. TPM is a part of the firmware. And the OC tools talk with firmware(not the TPM part). All good.

 

Don't bother with the Omen software. You can do it all through XTU, it works fine.

 

You're kinda stuck dealing with it for any sort of lighting control and keyboard macros.

I did all my uv and oc thru TS and it sticks fine. I also stopped XTU in services.msc from running, changed it to manual.

I don't know how it works, but if I open the Omen app maybe it'll force the stock x35 multiplier?

The Omen app uses XTU, I like using TS and always have, should I begin using XTU? think it will be more stable?

 

The way I did it, is I set my lighting etc in the omen app then closed it. Now I do all my OC via XTU. XTU makes it really easy to save/apply a profile if the omen app resets it.

No stability issues for me and it can reach all the settings in one place, which is nice.

My daily driver OC is 41 all cores at -.120. It can easily go higher, but at those settings I rarely see 90c playing ARK (very CPU intensive game) or Witcher. Wonder what my tempts will be after I repaste with Grizzly.

 

Cool!
And what did you do in order for xtu to apply the settings every startup?

 

It typically won't unless it's set to start with Windows. That's the tradeoff to not using multiple software to achieve a single goal and running HP bloatware.

It's still an imperfect solution either way. They need to start providing a real bios in these things.

 

Why exactly are you guys using XTU instead of TS to take care of this stuff?

 

Due more and more crippled firmware/software/oc tools from the OEM's. And more will come.

 

Because it does the job just fine.

 

I really need a new gaming laptop as my 860m just doesn't cut it anymore. The ones that are now available has been on the market since 2016, so I'm wondering should I go for a 1060/1070 or is the new generation GPU of Nvidia coming out anytime soon?

 

If you can wait until the third quarter of the year, there will probably be something to look out for by then. If not, GTX 1060 and 1070 are very solid GPUs for what's in the market

 

Agreed. There's not much a 1070 can't do in 1080p right now, there's no point in worrying about the next gen if you need something now.

 

1070 can play all recent games on high settings on 1080?

 

Probably ultra on most things. It's higher resolutions where it starts to slow down, and at 4K it struggles.

 

And what about games that will appear in the coming 2 years?

 

You will probably have to lower settings but unless you want to chase ray tracing you should be fine.


I'd wait for that bandwagon to settle down before I hop on.

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yeah i'm itching to pull a trigger on 1070, when the new cards come out

 

Pretty much yeah. You'll more likely be CPU bottlenecked.