Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Playing along to the mad tune being carried on here, perhaps the 1050 will be the successor to the 960m, as the 1060 is the successor to the 970m.

Matching not product numbers, but instead matching TDP requirements of the new GPU's to the TDP dispersion capability of each slot in need of an upgrade?

 

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I don't think that is the case at all, we all know 980m was based off of 970 desktop card, by removing the (m) they are effectively moving the tier of each card down, 1060 is the replacement for 970m, 1070 for 980m and 1080 will be for the 980 non "m", it appears to be the new Nvidia milking strategy, prices and TDP of the new gpu's seem to correspond to this .
I'm not sure why you think they'll be releasing "m" cards along with the new 1060, 1070, 1080, it doesn't makes any sens, as the 1060 would be equivalent to 1070m and the 1070 would be equivalent to 1080m, why would they do that? why release "m" and non "m" cards that will compete against each other? it is nonsensical to do that .

 

What a brilliant way to force people to spend more money on the next tier up of notebook / GPU.

For the money we expected to spend, you now get a GPU demoted one class under what you were expecting.

It's clever

 

@jaybee83 where do you take the information from that the mobile 1070 has a TDP of 150? Because afaik it's 85 for the 1070 and 125 for the 1080.

 

Let's see, because I expect to get more performance for the same price, even if it's "one class under what we're expecting" while also having higher performance cards available at a much higher price.

 

yes, thats exactly the point of all this! clever indeed, its all about getting people to spend more money on a lower tier.... yay....

the first leaks we had of the 1080 mobile listed 2048 cores and a TDP of 150W. now it looks like the 1070 is the 2048 card, so theres no reason to assume the TDP has changed only cuz the name has

naturally, all speculation at this point based on rumours and leaks. still fun!

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They won't be competing against one another.

The laptops housing the new desktop cards are going to be released this Fall. The current models with the 860M and 960M cannot support a desktop 1060 or 1070. It's a different product line.

They're not replacing the 960M with a desktop 1060. That's ridiculous. The TDP range alone makes this impossible.

 

It's the old "Little" vs. "Big" marketing ploy. No-one wants to buy the "Little" they want the "Big", especially with that name emblazoned on the side of the product.

You are made to feel that you aren't quite getting that 980m => 1080 upgrade you were expecting, as instead you are getting a 980m => 1070 - a numeric demotion in the "class" of GPU.

It's a primal thing, not a feeling at the end of a thought process, even though the performance of the 1070 is way above the 980m, it's not as fast as the 1080 - which is the "number" you were expecting to get.

It's really going to play havoc with the GPU MXM upgrades. People that were expecting a 980m => 1080m are going to get a 1070.

The 980 desktop mobile GPU's should get the 1080 MXM's, as they have the right TDP match, but man those are gonna be "pricey".

 

Did you read these news? While the author does not list his source, the leak is in line with other findings so far.

Ha, true. I guess Nvidia hopes by deleting the "M" suffix to somewhat counteract this feeling of buying a smaller number card, as it is a desktop card.

 

Oh well, having fully enabled GP104 core is the most important thing in order to be (almost) on par with stock desktop 1080 at 1080p/1440p.

My next laptop will have GTX 1080, i7-6700K (or i7-7700K depending on Kaby Lake release date), 16GB DDR4 RAM and a 1080p G-SYNC display panel. No matter the cost, dammit. It is known


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My dream configuration, too. Screw 4K, we don't need it in 17" screens

 

Just gimme 120hz and I'm happy

 

I'd love to see some SLI laptops with a 1080p/1440p 120Hz/144Hz display.

 

however, most gaming laptop manufacturer forgot to upgrade their Screen resolution
for this powerful gpu, they should at least make 2560 x 1440 (1440P) as standard
and 4K UHD resolution as optional with reasonable additional price (hopefully)
it's useless anyway having gtx 970M and above in FHD screen, forget about pascal lol
on a side note, A GTX 1070 SLI desktop+i7-6700K+Z170 Mobo can be purchased at 1800$
makes me want to jump the boat to desktop side
decision decision
Nvidia makes our life difficult lol

 

IMHO with the pascal performance this much, it is more than adequate for an SLI pascal to have Standard 4K screen
my next dream laptop :
Dual GTX 1080 SLI (desktop class) + i7-6700K + 2xSamsung SM951 256GB (i already have) + 4K UHD 120Hz Screen
I couldn't careless bout the other components lol

 

MSI has the Aegis barebones desktop computer, a nice compact solution that comes with a carry handle, only $499 US

MSI Aegis X-001BUS Supports Intel 6th Gen CPU (including K series processors) Intel Z170 Supports up to a two-slot design of graphics card up to a NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1080 (not Included) 1 x HDMI Barebone System
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=MSI_Aegis_X-001BUS-_-56-167-135-_-Product

https://us.msi.com/product/barebone/Aegis X-001BUS.html#hero-overview

MSI has a VR HDMI pass-through to the front of the Aegis X case.

MSI also has a fully built Aegis model with a 1080:
https://www.msi.com/Desktop/Aegis-X.html#hero-overview

Spoiler: MSI Gaming Aegis easy to upgrade video - for both barebones and fully loaded models

You kinda get a laptop vibe from the tiny Aegis, it uses laptop SODIMM memory, but lets you use a cheaper PCI-E video card and a desktop socket CPU. All upgradable.

 

I beg to differ. My 980M can only barely keep above 30fps in Rise Of The Tomb Raider at 1080p with all the bells and whistles enabled (like VXAO). Needs to be a locked 60fps at 1080p to satisfy me


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I guess we are following different "ULTRA 1080P" setting

 

Forget these, they don't update those and they aren't always maxing out.

I saw the GW2 values for 970m and was burned in game when maxing out kicked me below 30fps unlike the 49fps from notebookcheck.

You can use them as vague reference, but beware changes since their "bench".

 

Remember, ultra does not always mean maximum all graphics setting
Like tomb raider 2013 has ultimate above ultra settings.
Anyway my whole point and very most important is: for pascal 1070 and above, we need 4K screen

 

Sure, hook it up to a 27" 4k.
But 15"/17" 4K? With the way Windows scales applications and the small screen, not really needed.
Unless u talk about desktop systems.

 

the high ppi is nice tho


only if windows work as well as mac scaling

 

This. 4K is nice but only really noticeable on larger screens, imo. For anything below 27" e.g. a notebook display I would be fine with 1080p, maybe 1440p (120hz is a must for me nowadays)!
And seeing how a single GTX 1080 Desktop struggles at Witcher 3 @ 4K, maintaining only 43 FPS on average, does not make me want a 4K display either.

 

Unfortunately I can't see the image you attached?

 

Hope Clevo and Sager impress me again this year. They're the only reason I've considered staying with gaming laptops.

 

Yet another leak about new MSI models, now from Philippines shop:

It confirms previous information about GTX 1060 / 1070 / 1080 taking place of GTX 970M / 980M / 980 in corresponding notebook models.

It also confirms codename scheme from earlier leaks:

 

Interestingly though, this Vietnamese shop shows GTX 1060M / 1070M / 1080M branding (similarly to that Cambodian shop from few days ago):

Seems like Nvidia may have changed their branding guidelines at some point.

In any case, leaks like this show the launch must be getting very close.

 

This always happens with leaks... They very rarely get the name correct. Similar to how I ask people what GPU is in their laptop, they say, "Oh, it has the 970." When they really meant, "It has the 970M."

1060M
1070M
1080M

Same as always, but this year we'll see new laptops with the desktop counterparts.

 

Ok... so every mobile card will be 1 class below its desktop card. The same renaming **** as every year. What was this ****ty picture from "closing the gap" again? Until now I really thought we'd get same as desktop ones, but only with lower clocks (but at least with same name, same chip, same shader cores).

Ok... if the mobile 1060 will replace the 970m, what will the real "mainstream" get? Obviously the mobile 1050. And what will that be? The specs rumored from the "1060 3GB with 1152 shader cores"? Though this doesn't sound likely because the performance would not be much different compared to the 1060 with 1280 shader cores. I'd rather expect something with 1024 cores... similar to the 965m GTX.. or even less... I hope they don't pull their cheap 640 shader core trick again.

Ok... and what's below? What will the mobile 1040 be? Maxwell rebrands? Bleh...

 

The very low-end mobile GPU's hardly see any change, but actually will be on the new Pascal architecture this year. So, they have that going for them.

Maxwell is done for. It was the 28nm process. They're not producing those anymore for consumer-grade products. There should not be any re-brands.

My guess for anything below the 1050M? Hmm, probably much better efficiency (battery life) and maybe 10%~ performance gain.

 

~ $2000 for 1060 laptop. It's time to switch to desktop.

 

Right there with you! You can buy a 980Ti Hybrid for around $300 and it outperforms the new 1070 (which is $500~) when overclocked. Plus, it runs cooler.

Interesting times... Interesting indeed.

 

NotebookCheck mentions N17P-E0 as GTX 960M successor and N17P-E1 as GTX 965M successor, coming maybe in October 2016.

So those would be probably new Pascal chips. Could be something like this:

GTX 965M successor - GTX 1050 Ti (smaller cut of GP106)
GTX 960M successor - GTX 1050 (GP107)

Anything below that is apparently still far away (GP108).

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BTW now that we've got more info, it's worth revisiting earlier leaks, e.g. this one:

http://videocardz.com/60289/breakin...rs-confirm-pascal-gp102-gp106-gp107-and-gp108

We already have got GP104 and GP106. Still unaccounted for chips: GP102, GP107, GP108.

 

Exactly what i said
1800$ you can Get full fledge 2x GTX 1070 in SLI with i7 6700K + Z170 gaming motherboard. Let's go to desktop

Btw about all these Laptop shop not from US or europe
I am really afraid they don't know what they are selling thus lead us astray with the price prediction

Anyway, i am saving up to 3000$ USD to get the best mobile gaming can afford (single or dual gpu)
Or else i can just pull the trigger on gtx 1070 SLI desktop with beautiful 4K samsung monitor
And left with 1200$ to save up for the next "wave"

 

@aqnb: Yeah, that makes sense. Videocardz indeed lists the GTX 1050 with 1024 cores. So maybe the estimated rumor is close to truth. Though I feel that everything below GP106 is a waste of money anyways...

But 2000$ for a 1060 laptop... I hope Clevo has some bare configurations that removes some of the crap included with other brands like MSI and which make them so expensive. A clevo with 980m in a basic configuration is available at ~1700 and therefore a mobile 1060 shouldn't be more expensive. Still ridiculous... with that naming and pricing I expect a xx50 Volta to be a 2.000$ laptop...


(btw. that Clevo pic with RGB Lighting posted some pages before looks nice...)

 

The leak shows 1080 with GDDR5x. Nice nice, i want to know more mwuahahaha.

 

I was on my iPad before but now I see the image you linked. Well, firstly that's Very High preset which is not max settings (VXAO isn't enabled by default at that preset for example). Secondly, that's still not 60fps. There are definitely benefits to be had upgrading to Pascal for 1080p gaming

 

Tangentially related, but here comes Kabby Lake. To OEMs anyway. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-kaby-lake-core-shipping,32299.html

A lot of folks here are speculating that we'll start seeing early Clevos with Pascal GPUs in them in September. I don't know - if Kabby Lake ends up in laptops in, say, November, would it be more likely that manufactures might simply hold off on releasing Pascal-GPU laptops until they can add in Kabby Lake processors as well?

 

Another shop leak - now it's ASUS G752VM from Polish shop Komputronik:

Good news for everybody who was stressing about notebook Pascal pricing:

Prices for that Asus model start from just 7,099 PLN there, which should be ~1,627 EUR.

This is very similar to what the cheapest notebooks with GTX 970M costed there when Maxwell launched.

 

Your reading that wrong otherwise the 480 is stronger than a 980m also.
Just look at the graph going down rather than across. It's only talking about how close each generation was closer in to its desktop counterpart in percentage wise.


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That's a rather grim thing.

Or might be good if kaby lake brings any improvements. So far, all sites suggested that it won't and that it might be a waste of time, but who knows.

That's for sure, but the performance gap is still visible. It's nowhere close to zero, at 40% performance gap in 980 generation.

 

Where are you getting that? It just isn't going to happen. 1060 laptops will be in the $1500 to $1700 range, just like the 970M it's succeeding.

You guys need to stop quoting bum****Cambodian prices like they're USD.

 

Why are you so angry about that?

What if everyone pulls such a great price ? XD

What I am concerned about is Kabby Lake. The more I read about it, the less appealing it seems. I don't get it with what they are trying to pull. It seems like Kabby lake will be a Sky lake, with under 5% improvements in performance. At least, this is what many sites dictate about it.

 

A lot of you really went overboard with the drama throughout this thread, haha. Especially with the pricing. Not much has changed.

The new Clevo's coming this Fall will support Kaby Lake, so it's just a matter of swapping chips. Doubt they'll wait for Intel.

 

Pricing is still bad for us man

I still wait for the day when 4k at 120Hz will be playable from an iGPU. I have a feeling that this might take about 10 years to happen or more.

On the same page of discussion, Clevo sure isn't going to wait for Kabby lake since the CPU is not soldered, but many laptop makers are going to want to wait for Kabby lake, since they have the CPU soldered, and including the latest generation of CPU can be seen as an advantage by the public / can be used as a marketing asset.

 

Even other manufacturers will likely not wait for Intel. It's not common business practice to wait. The production side of laptop manufacturing is quite simple to handle a CPU change, even for soldered units. In simplest terms, it's merely a matter of switching out motherboards on the production line for new ones.

Intel is probably going to be releasing the new chips around October or November. If MSI or ASUS waited, they'd miss out on 1-2 months of sales. Even if sales aren't at optimal levels, that's still millions of dollars wasted for waiting because people will purchase the new laptops regardless of the CPU in light of the new NVIDIA Pascal GPU's (and the new laptop features).

If I were a betting man, I'd bet they will not wait. They'll more than likely begin selling units and put pressure on Intel to hurry their asses up, so they too may begin making sales. The world does not revolve around any single company in a "free market" economy!

Intel needs them just as much as they need Intel. If they begin selling units, Intel is missing out on sales for Kaby Lake.

 

We could see laptop with processor like i7-7700hq(KBL-H) around CES 2017. As early as could be.( my own estimation)


Boring boring Chelsea

 

Kaby lake also brings the Series 200 chipset, and with it come many benefits not to be had by slipping the Kaby lake CPU into an existing Series 100 chipset, which is what everyone has now with their Skylake motherboards.

Skylake vs. Kaby Lake Advice
Edward Jones Jun 27, 2016
http://www.channelpro.co.uk/advice/9734/skylake-vs-kaby-lake-7

"New reports claim the eagerly anticipated Kaby Lake PCH (Series 200) chipset will be compatible with both the Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X architectures. This marks a significant change from previous high-end Intel chips, which typically use a separate chipset different from mainstream options.

The Series 200 chipset is rumoured to be going through quality sampling as early as August 2016. The chipset is expected to support up to 10 USB 3.0 ports, six SATA 3 ports and 24 PCI-e 3.0 lanes. Additional features are said to include support for up to three 4X ports for PCI-e 3.0 drives, and support for Direct Media Interface (DMI) 3.0.

As it stands the next six months of Intel’s processor roadmap are looking hectic. Reports suggest we can expect the Kaby Lake-S processor family arriving in January at CES 2017. Where it will go head to head with the first AMD Zen processors. Then in June, the Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X processors are expected to debut at Computex 2017."

We won't see that new Series 200 chipset for us until 2H => Q3 / Q4 2017, nothing to worry about for now

 

I figured as much. Thanks for sharing that.