Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/titan-x-pascal

The new Pascal Titan X, ladies and gentlemen! Just as I expected... 3584 CUDA cores and 12GB GDDR5X.

 

Darn, no HBM on the Titan X??? Where's the "affordable" 1080ti?

 

No HBM2 until next year's Titan.

The Ti almost always comes later, so they can make some cash with the Titan on hype. The Pascal Titan X is $1200!

 

Neah dude. They will release the 1080Ti early this year. They have no business model and hate milking the market. /s

 

So this confirms they went completely bonkers with branding, now there are two Titan Xs.

These are their official names:

Nvidia Titan X (Pascal)
GeForce GTX Titan X (Maxwell)

New one lost GeForce GTX part, but it's anyways still listed under GeForce GTX 10 series.

 

Meh, I can't be excited anymore because the world is mean and deprives us of HBM2 or competition. Seems to be 30-40% faster than a 1080.

Can you imagine if nVidia decided to ignore HMB2 situation and at least launch with 512 bit GDDR5X, more cores, rops, tmus, etc and reach a TDP of 300+? A real enthusiast card

 

Should perform a bit more than 40% better... But, I agree. It's not very impressive for gaming, especially at $1200+. You can build an entire rig with a 980Ti for a little more.

Unfortunately, the 1080Ti will probably have fewer cores. Maybe 3072. I was hoping the Titan would have more.

 

Saw a news said the reason NVIDIA launch new TitanX out of blue is because Jensen accidentally slip up at a meeting at Stanford...


Boring boring Chelsea

 

Nice! 1060 is released, and a few days later, Pascal Titan X is announced. Now, which to buy? Decisions, decisions...

On a separate note, I hope everyone's right about Kabby Lake's impending release probably not holding up the release of laptops with Pascal GPUs. Would hate to have to play the waiting game even longer than I already am

 

Iam already feeling it "Titan x for mobile" aka full 1080 announced with Titan X for desktop.
Looks like stars have aligned and conjunction of sphere imminent. Unleash the monsters onto us!!!


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The work has already been done for the Series 100 chipset motherboards, and Kaby Lake supports both Series 100 and Series 200 chipsets, but the only drop in replacement coming is for desktop CPU's.

The Laptops with 1151 can use the Kaby Lake i7 7700K, but it's unknown whether that's an upgrade with performance to justify the cost to upgrade an existing 6700K CPU.

We may see the Kaby Lake 7700K by the end of the year in existing Series 100 1151 motherboards.

The series 200 motherboards are still over the horizon.

http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-cpu-leaked/
http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby...16-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/

It's still unclear what the timing of the Series 200 chipset release will be, between Kaby Lake and Cannondale, at Cannondale release with backward compatibility for Kaby Lake, or soon to coincide with the Kaby Lake release.

It's likely the first Pascal laptops will still use Skylake and Series 100 chipsets, so as to not delay the Pascal release.

All the more reason to wait for the release of Series 200 in laptops

 

Thanks, that's great to know!! And comforting.

Pfft. Tiger Lake or bust!

 

And will make all the previous MXM card prices look like absolute steal.

 

If i were nvidia, i would go naming GTX titan alphabetically backward
From the Z to the A
At least they already have names for the next 24 generations since 2 alphabets are used

 

I thought the X in Titan X was for maXwell, so wouldn't this Titan be Titan S for paScal?

 

Found it...the article doesn't make it sound like an inadvertent slip:

NVIDIA Announces GP102-based TITAN X with 3,584 CUDA cores
https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Announces-GP102-based-TITAN-X-3584-CUDA-cores

"Donning the leather jacket he goes very few places without, NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang showed up at an AI meet-up at Stanford this evening to show, for the very first time, a graphics card based on a never before seen Pascal GP102 GPU."

 

Well they did say they was closing the gap. That is a true statement. The gap with the 10 series is even closer. It's the time they are actually using desktop in mobile as the norm. In time that will be normal. By the time Volta is here, It will probably be matured.


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3584 cores wasnt it Pascal P100 (GP-100)??
Hmm sounds sneaky

 

Hi there,

I have not read through, so this question is likely not new. My current rig is MSI GT60 2PC Dominator with 870M. I'd ideally like to keep this boy and was looking for GPU upgrades in order to run VR games on it.

Now with 1080M in sight, I wonder whether there is a chance (since one the upgrade to 980M is allegedly possible) to upgrade my card for it when it become available.

Conversely, I am looking for an eGPU solution for MMX and so far failing greatly to find out an interface that would allow me to attach a desktop card to my PC to avoid overall upgrade simply because I am lacking Thunderbolt.

Thanks

Six

 

It is very unlikely that you will be able to use the new 1080M. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-official-msi-gt60-70-970m-980m-upgrade-thread.765058/

Not necessarily because it won't fit, but because of the BIOS issues.

 

Kabys Lake can be the i7 more equal the fiasco 880M, LOL
And i7-4940Mx was a very sad affair as well. Managed never to challenge 4930MX in OC quality!!

 

Never wait for a CPU. Marginal performance improvements, at best, especially in mobile.

GPU performance is what you need to worry about as a laptop gamer. Just grab a quad-core and be happy.

 

The problem is that we need both CPU and GPU improvements.

We're advancing too little with CPUs since 4xxx . Sometimes the newer is slower than 4xxx counter part. They keep adding iGPU and ULV CPUS instead of making more enthusiast and pro level ones.

With GPUs, we have to see if they add something like a full 1080 in laptops, that would be really nice!

 

The CPU changes have indeed been marginal in recent times, but new CPUs often come with new chipsets and the latter may be worth waiting for.

 

I just waiting on that Intel will reduce the TDP down to 40W on their Hq processors. OEM's who prefer soldered hardware in their notebooks can then provide a corresponding increase in TDP of 5W on their graphics. Thus, they can use the same flimsy shared heatsink as before without offering more. 47w down to 45w... Next level can easily be 40/38 or even lower down to 35w maks TDP for their quad-core in the future. Yeah..., Intel can this game!!

 

NotebookCheck already put up their pages for notebook GTX 1060 and GTX 1070:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...060-Laptop-Benchmarks-and-Specs.169547.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Laptop.169549.0.html

New info: 3dmark 11 score for GTX 1060 => 13,690 points (total, not GPU)

They mention their own sources (laptop manufacturers), putting TDP at +10 watts compared to GTX 970M and GTX 980M (predecessors of GTX 1060 and GTX 1070). This is pretty much in line with improved cooling MSI was doing for their new models.

Launch should be sometime in August 2016.

 

I think they are getting a little ahead of themselves. Closer look reveals all they refer to is the desktop 1060 and its scores, not an actual laptop variant.

Not implying there won't be a 1060 in a laptop, but take what you see there with a grain of salt.

 

I believe they refer to some unknown notebook with GTX 1060.

If you expand the score section, there is this:

Desktop GTX 1060 has higher 3dmark 11 score on its corresponding page (and different clocks):

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060.167603.0.html

Also German version (the original, NotebookCheck is German site) has bit more info about sources (e.g. mention Computex).

http://www.notebookcheck.com/NVIDIA...p-Notebook-Benchmarks-und-Specs.169546.0.html

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BTW one thing to note - that Polish site with the first GTX 1060 leak doesn't have 3dmark 11 score, only firestrike. So NotebookCheck folks must have a different additional source(s).

 

The 3DMark 11 score ( seen here) is actually not very impressive for the "desktop" 1060 in a laptop. A system with the 980M scores around 12600. It doesn't seem like a true desktop 1060... Unless it's throttling (or NVIDIA gimped the crap out of it). Then again, 3DMark 11 is a poor representation of performance.

Still impressive for a laptop GPU, but I'm kind of pissed to see it's not comparable to the actual desktop card. The Clevo P870DM with the GTX 980 was actually performing identically to a desktop build with a 980.

I want to see some gaming benchmarks with DX12 games.

 

Cmon nVidia, release the new gpus for laptops... I need a new one and obv i wont spent money in the old 9xx series.
You guys know how much time, more or less, will take to Alienware to have the new GPUs in their AW17?

 

Frustrating for me as well... I really want the XPS 15 but the 960m is a rebadged 860m and I can not justify spending $1500 for that. I'm hoping the new gen XPS 15 has at least 970m performance. If that's the case, I'm pulling trigger immediately. On a side note, someone was able to get a gtx 1080 working with the XPS 15 over TB3

 

Nice video, but are graphics amps all limited to Optimus ?

 

It seems 1060M overkill and not really the successor of the 960M. When are we going to see a Pascal GPU with the TDP of 960M?

 

Second wave of notebook Pascals should come sometimes near the end of 2016 - no sooner than October, maybe November-December, to have something ready for Christmas season.

Not many leaks about those, but we may get notebook variants of GTX 1050 and 1050 Ti (which could be successors of GTX 960M and 965M).

Probably also depends on what will AMD come with for mobile Polaris. Their first-to-market new notebook GPU - RX 460 will apparently not threaten Nvidia too much.

 

Their RX460 is made for thin ultrabooks and such right? apparently it offers the performance of a GTX 950 on thin form factor. It's a different kind of threat, since everything now a days is thin and light.

 

Oh, they'll come much sooner than October or November.

 

Difference in score could be that the 1060(m) was run with a laptop CPU. We know nothing without the GPU score.

 

That's what AMD marketing kept saying, but the only notebook they have shown so far is HP Omen. So basically category of chassis which used to get GTX 960M (as opposed to 940M category which would be thin ultrabooks one).

Plenty of "value gaming" notebooks in that category, plus of course Macbook Pro.

 

We already do know 3dmark firestrike graphics score and it kinda matches: notebook GTX 1060 has ~90.5% performance of desktop GTX 1060 (that 3dmark 11 total score had it at ~89.5%).

IMHO not too bad at all (reminder: it's still ~157% of GTX 970M, so noticeable bump up in its class).

Also to keep in mind: it's possible they will go variable TDP route here, like they already tested with notebook GTX 980. So different notebook chassis may get different performances for the "same GPU".

E.g. Razer Blade 2017 < MSI GS63 < Asus G752 < Clevo P750

 

I don't see a Razer having the desktop 1060 in it. That'll be a fire hazard. There must be a 1060M or other variant coming, too.

"Presenting the all new, Razer Afterburner! It shoots flames out the back under full load."

 

Heh. Not saying it'll be a good idea but I'm pretty sure they will try anyways

MSI already did stuff GTX 1060 into their 14" GS43 chassis.

 

Assuming the names were correct in the leak, they did. One says 1060M and the other says 1060.

Find it extremely difficult to believe they managed to stick a desktop GPU in a 13" and 14" laptop unless it's HEAVILY gimped, underclocked, etc.

 

If they are, don't even bother. It's going to be bad, since Optimus would take more time to process the frame than GPU is taking time to render it. This means that total presenting time will be somewhere around rendering time x2 or more.

And it's sad since the whole reason to go for an eGPU was to avoid this thing.

I wonder if laptops like P870 can avoid this thing, and if the video data stream does not go through CPU anymore, as it doesn't have optimus at all.

I'm actually quite happy for that they are making mid range better. I would be even happier if they would be pricing mid range as mid range. And probably infinitely happy if they would make an uber laptop with the advantages of thin laptops (beautiful display, nice shape) with the advantage of big laptops (power, non bga CPU, POWER!!!), keeping the weight as high as needed, but gimping on what is not needed. Also modularity, that's pretty important.

That's what we're all hyped, praying and hyped for !

Let's hope it;s going to be as good as it looks on paper XD Nvidia needs a competitor to bring up the big weapons.

I wonder if that would be the most metal laptop ever.

I think that advancing on thin and light has it's charm, but. . .

Nokia Luma 950 XL has a cooper pipe inside for heat... I don;t understand what it's going with this world anymore

 

dont let urself be fooled just cuz nvidia calls it a "desktop" gpu via dropping of the "M" in the name. its still just a desktop chip thats been binned and gimped for mobile, same as aaaaaalways. only now theres another excuse to ramp up the price cuz...."desktop"!

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Well, you guys all say '1060 replaces 970M, not 960M!' but Clevo managed to put the 970M and the 6700HQ in a chassis (i.e. P640RE) that's both thinner and lighter than the W230SS, and runs cooler, albeit being a bit wider horizontally.

That's why I'm so hyped - the next 14" notebook with the 1060, going just by name (once again, I don't care which GPU the 1060 replaces, since within its own family, it's the "mid-range X60 series") will be a killer. Of course it'd be underclocked - it's our duty to mod it to regain near-desktop levels of performance.

Why does everyone think thin, light and small notebooks have to have crap cooling based on their experiences with Apple and Razer, when Clevo has done an excellent implementation?

 

I never said that.

 

You didn't, but a select few others here have.

 

I think it's great if they will manage to put 1060 in a 14" factor. It's an advancement.

The smaller, the better, that much is for sure, I do want a better laptop that is not as heavy. The fact that I am happy to sacrifice everything for best quality / performance is just because I need it right now, but on future years, having a small yet extremely powerful device is going to be a treat. One can't take a full P870 to business meetings, and there is the fact that if I keep making games for strong laptops, people using lower powered laptops won't be able to enjoy the same games.

this basically means that we have to make all laptops better advance entire technology to the point where all laptops have at least GTX980m performance in them on iGPU . This will happen eventually.

A smartphone has somewhat Adreno 430 has a somewhat lower but in the same ball park power as an intel HD 4600.

IT's really going forward, and I surely would love to be able to play better and better games mobile.

 

Because of thin and light Nvidia / Intel are gimping everything, that notion needs to be stopped. It's plain dumb for wanting a high performance in a slim chassis, the TDP design / Heatoutput can't be denied. This is the main reason the MXM being dropped because all go thin and light and no one wants heavy machines without gimping in any component. People don't even care for the performance or anything they all are for those buzzwords...

We already lost the war, thin and light are prevailing more than ever and with this new is great b$, WinblowsX is also ramping up, Only a few companies cater our interests, I'm glad to have them here hope this will continue, Just give us an MXM of 1070 Clevo !!

 

Let's just hope they manage to improve tech to the point where they can pull GTX 1080 performance with passive cooling. I'm not sure if it's physically possible, but if it is, they are going to do it, and we are all going to have a party with what will be very strong at that point !