Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

I'm really happy that Nvidia seems to be pushing the envelope and releasing the Titan so soon. No way I'll actually be buying the thing but it pushes the envelope forward so we will see more advances sooner rather than later. Before you know it the 1180 will be released at this rate.

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Correction, standard MXM 3.0B size is what we need, plenty of MXM in the next gen from the looks of it, but none looking like the standard size!

 

1080 won't be for sure since It's replacing the 980N gimped tho, 1060 would be 65W and that won't make to socketed machines left out one is the only 980M replacement, the GTX1070, yeah 3.0B. I only think this might make it to this standard, AMD is to blame really, their incompetency led this nvidia's greed grow exponentially greater, look at that Titan X price WTH !!

I'm guessing the 3.0b 1070 because P870DM is featured at computex right, So if they make a revision it's another case and we are EOL. But if they keep the Mobo same and there are 2 slots so there should be an SLI option, that might be only 1070 if we get lucky there could also be the cooler 1060.

 

By 'people', you mean everyone who's bought a W230S series, P64 and 65 series notebooks, including me. No, we aren't "for buzzwords". Some of us can't use a godforsaken 17" desktop replacement on our tiny lecture tables in our lecture rooms. We carry our notebooks around everywhere, including school, university, the library, friends' houses, etc. Sometimes, in fact most of the time, having a thinner and lighter machine has plenty of benefits, more so than a paperweight desktop replacement.

Then you guys will say 'haha weakling, start lifting'. I already do plenty of that, being in the armed forces. We walk kilometres upon kilometres with our field packs stuffed full with rations and clothes and water. I don't want to have the same load as a civilian. Sometimes you just want to shake that 15 kg load off your back and go light.

Of course I care for performance. But we accept that putting a Titan X in a P640RE is just plain stupid. What's wrong with wanting mid-range?

Finally, you know why Intel has ditched rPGA? Turns out no one bothers to replace their CPUs, so they went BGA, which is cheaper for both consumer and manufacturer. Companies follow the demand, clean and simple. No point complaining about that, because that's where the majority is.

 

I don't have difficulty lugging around the AW18 (when I had it).

BGA only brings disadvantages, but rPGA doesn't have any. If people don't replace the CPU, that's fine with rPGA. But unlike BGA, you also benefit from allowing enthusiasts to replace CPU if needed.

 

Of course. I didn't say BGA was inherently better than rPGA - just that it was cheaper. Companies don't necessarily care about altruism, they are profit-oriented.

 

Just think guys....

GP102 'Titan X Pascal' chip is only about 72mm^2 larger than a GTX 980M. 20% larger die - maybe a 20% reduction in voltage/power consumption

It's highly possible to have a 850-1050mv version of this chip with lower clocks in a laptop with a +/- 150w power target

 

Even if they come sooner, they probably will built together with Kaby Lake processors, therefore no Windows 7 suppport . I'd like to have Pascal, but not Windows 10. What will be the solution?

 

It's may be a little cheaper upfront but if the CPU dies out if warranty it's a heck of alot more expensive to fix. So much so it's unfeasible.
Finally companies don't always strictly follow demand in a 1 dimensional fashion. They can also create trends and movements designed to suit their bottom line, not ours.
Have you read the history of Edward Bernay's bacon and egg breakfasts? That's exactly what I'm taking about.

 

I'd suggest getting a P870DM without waiting for Kabylake, even Installing Win7 on that machine is somewhat tricky with the nvme ssds but doable, That's your best bet, can even upgrade to kaby as from the news iirc.

 

Thanks, but I prefer nice sleek laptops...

 

Those who prefer appearance over performance deserves neither

 

The BGA hate brigade is here...

For a more constructive response - take a look at the Clevo P640RE. It is, as you'd expect, light and fairly sleek, and surprisingly powerful. Too many people here want fire-breathing monsters, when they don't realise that it takes but a small compromise in performance to get a significant reduction in size.

The thing is, companies are willing to bear the RMA costs, because they know the probability of processors failing is incredibly low, maybe 1 in every ten thousand to a hundred thousand - hence the huge profits would outweigh any small losses they would make in bearing RMA costs for the customer. It's a bit like how insurance companies work - even if they have to make a massive payout, the company still ends up with a profit, just because of the massive revenue.

 

I prefer laptops like Dell Inspiron 7559, which brings everything what I need. Furthermore my concern was if the 960M's successor coming to late, than manufacturers more likely will pack it with Kaby Lake.

 

Given that the 960M was a rebrand, the successor might be a rebranded 970M and not actually a pascal chip. Let's see! Otherwise, that Dell seems like a nice balance, yet being a little on the expensive side for what it offers.

 

Eh, yuck. I sincerely hope that nVidia doesn't go the rebrand route, and for once, lets the entire 1000 (from the lowest end which trades blows with Iris Pro, to the Titan X) series be 16 nm, Pascal-based chips. Plus, Videocardz has already detailed information about GP108 chips, which makes it rather unlikely that the GeForce 1020M would be a rebrand.

 

Everybody cares about appearance to some degree. I like a smaller profile laptop. And the idea of packing as much as I can in smaller is a joy. I won't go beyond 14". I'd only consider an AW15 because they are the only laptop that offered the highest gpu and on top of that it had a keyboard without that nuisance numpad because I like the convenience of the return button on the end of the laptop aswell as home and end etc as I'm comfortably holding it in my lap without having to take my eyes off the screen.
My favourite laptop was the think pad e320 (because the keyboard had a track stick) it was cheap. I had it with the amd 6630 and the cpu was upgradeable to quad core from only dual cores options in the factory. That was my first machine I upgraded the cpu. And had it for probably the longest. And then they dropped the 13" that was equivalent. But now power is what I need and the profile still matters to me aswell as if it's sleeker than the next 14" laptop for the same money.


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Do I smell Benjamin Franklin there?

I agree btw, but I'm aware this is quite an elitist and probably narrow-minded mindset.

 

Not quite, it's a very elitist and narrow-minded mindset. If people simply didn't bother about appearance, we would still have stuff like this:

 

you ARE aware that that is an apple right? talk about appearance

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Haha, honestly as long as it fits 1080 SLI Jk, of course design is important, but performance enthusiasts won't bother too much.

 

It has some resemblance to P570WM thought

 

You joking? Look at the builds on /r/pcmasterrace and /r/battlestations - they're all about aesthetics.

What @Mobius 1 said isn't true, not one bit.

 

I didn't know Dell offered 980 in AW15

 

Sure, it is a calculated risk. Then that's assuming it dies under warranty. CPU's as you mentioned are pretty bulletproof. But planned obsolescence gets these GPU's to about the end of the warranty period. The manufacturer's don't care about paying for RMA because they won't be in most cases. The customer is the one left holding the bag - by design.

 

The thing is, imo MXM gpus would easily fit into low profile laptops (well not exactly ultra books, but in laptops with only 2cm height). Most average laptops still have a DVD drive - and this takes away a lot of space. Remove it and there is enough space available for a Plug&Play MXM card (such as on desktops). Even with its own cooler. In fact modular low profile laptops would be possible just as desktop pcs, if laptop cases were a bit more standardized throughout the different brands. But no... every company makes their own custom ****...

 

The MXM standard we all know and love will be gone by the end of 2018, so I wouldn't waste too much energy fighting over it.

Let's talk about how Pascal is dominating the market and NVIDIA (along with every manufacturer) is exploiting this with price-gouging.

 

That may be, but actually I meant the possibility of Plug&Play GPUs for laptops in general. Though I doubt laptops will change in the near future to my liking, so eventually it makes more sense grumbling about Nvidia's price policy.

Talking about grumbling, my plans were to buy an average consumer laptop with a mainstream card... so the 1060. Now this mainstream card has became upper class and high chance it drives pricing even more upwards than a 980m laptop...

So I'm considering laptops with 1050, which may be close in performance to a 970m. But again, my assumption is that prices will rise noticeably. There was also a 100$ price jump from 860m to 960m consumer laptops (and yes - even for Clevo Laptops...), even though there was paractically no difference. So there is a chance mainstream laptops will rise again in pricing...
Well, at least mainstream laptops may get a price drop as soon as AMD releases its RX460 or RX470, which will compete against the 1050. But other than that...

 

No, I'm dead serious, I couldn't care less about LEDs on fans and LEDs on GPUs and all the shizzle... But that's not my point. What I mean is that I don't care whether my notebook is 800g and ultra thin or 5kg and 5cm high as long as it offers desktop replacement performance. Of course most people prefer lightweight notebooks, especially since Dell calls a slim 960M/860M notebook a "gaming notebook" in 2016 making them think it's the same category , there is a quite the difference in specifications and performance. I'm sure this forum has other like minded people who couldn't care less about size and weight.

 

LOL you know what I mean. 980m with a regular keyboard without the numpad. That was very attractive. But it's thickness. Was also a negative. So my point is appearance does matter.
A Bugatti (980m) has more power and performance than a Lamborghini (970m). But the Lamborghini is better looking and its performance is beyond adequate compared to other cars like a Porsche (960m) buy then there's another car that's just as great as the Lamborghini called a Ferrari (an alternative styled 970m).
In the end appearance does play a deciding factor. Because some of us prefer Lamborghinis than Ferraris. Whilst some just wanna go all out with the Bugatti because it's the fastest regardless if it doesn't look that good.


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Good analogy. Meanwhile, some of us want Teslas

 

Wonder what that could be in terms of laptop GPUs?

Also wonder what my 240m would be these days, old Toyota Corolla perhaps?

 

Of course the opposite, a GPU driven by gasoline.

 

$3000 for a laptop with gtx 1080??

 

3000$ would be my guess .

 

It would be an old school Romanian Aro car lol.




Back to the on thread subject, we're still not seeing any data on new Pascal chips, and 980 desktop in notebooks will have a sweet point in both pric and performance soon

 

Lol desktop gpu territory


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I was just studying the best display tech for laptops at 4K and high color space coverage...

30 to 40 ms of response time of rise + fall.

Guys, this translates to the fact that no one will ever get more than 30 fps on a laptop, at 4k. Even if your amazingly good GPU will support higher refresh rates, the display itself won't.

 

I have a 4K display in my P651SG and it absolutely can do 60fps.

 

I think he's saying that because of high response time of 30ms, the video will not feel as smooth even with high fps as compared to low response time displays (<2ms)

 

It can't

It's design is not allowing it to.

It will report you 60fps, but the image itself will not change with a 60 frames per second rate.

Try this, take a very good camera that can record very fast, and film a fast frame sequence. You will see a lot of ghosting and not clean frames. It can look even smoother like this to some people, it's very fluid. But no 4k display to date can do good response times.

That's notebookcheck's words on almost all 4k displays. With that time one can't get a fluid 30 fps, because the screen simply does not respond that fast, the test was for 50% to 80% gray.

 

Note grey to grey is a worst case.

 

dell 4k oled is 0.1ms lol

too bad they're gouging so much for it

 

Sometime over the past week, Sager and XoticPC stopped selling the Clevo P640RE. With any luck, it's a sign that Clevo Pascal refreshes are near.

 

Yesterday

 

(sorry to go off topic) - are the response times still that bad if you're running games at 1080p on a 4k screen? I'm just speccing up my next laptop and had wanted to go for a 4k screen for video editing.

 

Wouldn't it make more sense to spend the "upgrade"-money on a separate 27+" inch 4K screen? I'd at least take it into consideration.

 

My Sharp panel can do 60Hz though. I've been PC gaming for a long time, I can see the difference between 30fps and 60fps. 60fps on this one looks no different to 60fps on previous laptops I've owned or bros desktop for that matter.

 

A sensible suggestion for most - but 95% of my laptop usage is actually on my lap.

 

in the end the only thing that really counts is the user's subjective impression of the screen. if thats great, then all is good unless professional color accuracy is necessary for work related stuff...

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