Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

the last answer of the seller to my question about the Pascal, or if i should buy the P775DM-G with the GTX980, was this (it´s translated with google):

The GTX980 can not come apart as the desktop does not work in your barebone , the gtx980m are selling separated for a long time. And yes the 1080m will be sold separately , there was immense customers buying the P700 with 970m just to do that upgrade when they feel the need .

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As said above, you can wait and see. It'll upgrade and may even post, but will require customization one way or another (driver or bios).

I'd just sell your rig and grab a new one. There will be USB 3.1, Thunderbolt, better displays, etc.

 

Not even that is true.

It's only technically possible to upgrade desktops, but sometimes it is not that simple for desktops either. They become more like deskstops lol.

Problem with desktops is that ok, you can technically upgrade. But what if you can't? What if GPUs become too long? What if motherboard doesn't support things anymore? Motherboards fry in same period like for laptops, which is a sad 4-5 years, same for most components. It eventually is the same cost. I trued putting up my costs of getting a P870 with 980 GPU vs getting an 1080 desktop. Costs are pretty similar. And for P870, I can take it anywhere and still have access to it's full power.

IDK, it seems that either way technology is not eternal, we should get what we can when we can and hope for the best / make the best out of what we have.

 

I understand what you´r saying, but i have a thunderbolt port already, only the display quality is far from being good, but i use an Asus PG278Q to do the job for it..(not quite as good, but it´s the only one that supports 3D and G-Sync in the same model)......as for the USB´s, yes it´s just a small improvement, but my external disks are all 3.0 or 2.0, so the change for the 3.1 will not be substantial, at least for me.... i rather wait for it......i have one guy that offer´s me 1500€ for it......it´s 1000€ less than the price that i bought it, and i think for now, it isn´t a fair price to sell it, maybe for 1900€ or 1800€ could be a fair price.....the notebook as moths.......jeeezzzzzz......this pascal is mind blowing.....and i just want it because of the VR features,that i can´t get with the GTX980M.....and of course the incomparable performance.......

 

That's why I said almost, haha.

 

Nvidia outs new Pascal Titan X
Published on 22nd July 2016 by Matthew Lambert

" Nvidia has taken the wraps off a new Titan X, featuring a new Pascal GPU, 11 TFLOPs of performance and sporting a $1,200 price tag."

"Using Nvidia's 16nm Pascal architecture, it is the biggest GPU ever built, containing a whopping 3,584 CUDA cores. The clock speeds have also been ramped up significantly, with the boost clock shooting up from 1.08GHz to 1.53GHz in the new card. Nvidia has stuck with 12GB of VRAM, but has upgraded from GDDR5 to the GDDR5X introduced with the GTX 1080. Peak memory bandwidth is set at 480GB/sec (up from 336GB/sec), so given that the GDDR5X is clocked at 10Gbps that means Nvidia is using a 384-bit wide memory bus again."

"Given the GTX 1080's already high price point, you won't be surprised to learn that the new card will not come cheap. Available exclusively from Nvidia's online store on August 2, it will set you back an eye-watering $1,200. UK pricing has yet to be confirmed, but we'd be surprised if you got much change from £1,200 once VAT is included."

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2016/07/22/nvidia-outs-new-pascal-gtx-titan-x/1

 

Kind of late to the party, aren't we?

 

No one can tell you.

 

The " " means yes.

 

I'm starting to think we're trapped in this.

One either buys hardware that is cheap and has cheap performance, like 950 or it's relatives and pays a decent amount on it, with a decent CPU and other hardware, or one has to pay a really high amount on a high end gpu, that will degrade over time, but in that situation one has access to extraordinary performance.

It just feels like either way we're victims of a plot of "if you want performance and if you want it now, better be ready to pay up for it".

And it's the same with PC and laptops. A laptop has extremely good display, a 950m and a 6700hq CPU at a 1000$ or so price point. To get a 980m + 6700 or above + a better display + better internals one has to pay 2-4 times the price, instead of adding just a bit as the upgrades would be mostly on one piece of hardware.

 

That's why people need to stop opening up new credit cards and upgrading every year. This type of spending enables that behavior as a manufacturer. If the majority of people stopped "needing" the latest and greatest, it wouldn't be so easy to price-gouge. See how people react when a new iPhone hits the market? It's insanity.

I digress. Intel and AMD are hugely to blame for this inflated market.

 

Agreed, I'm saving up to $1800 for my next 1060 laptop!

 

How? Intel and AMD both have done nothing. Nvidia started moving, but at what cost?

We're idk, in a situation where everything will last a limited amount of time. But still costs a ton. Every thing.

I was happy with my laptop which was bought in 2010. It had a freaking AMD HD 5470 or something inside, + an i5 CPU. I used it until it's death, it served me very well.

I need better und faster only because it's getting harder to develop in 4k without upgrading from a GTX 860m. Looking at what to upgrade, and the fact that my needs are more and more imminent, I just wish I can wait until pascal laptops.

Then a 980 + 6700k P870 costs as low as 2500 GBP, where if a new 1060m + 6700k comes with a similar price and in 6 months, waiting saves me nothing. And a faster GPU will be even more expensive. I don't say these things weren't always expensive, but lately it's been getting worse. Especially with the short life cycle.

It's the same with most things. I need a smartphone. Now what to get ? I need big screen, and there are only two decent smartphones. Nexus 6p and Samsung note5. Or waiting for note7. But note7 will come way over priced and if paying the same amount for either note5 or nexus 6p, note5 is worth it's money better since AMOLED problems make nexus 6p kinda obtuse. It's just getting idk, kind of wrong. There are just...

The new generations are so expensive if you want to get a high end, and after getting something high end, it loses value. And if you get a mid end, it still loses value, but you never get to experience more than mid end...

 

Life Sucks and then you Die / 1st World Problems, etc, etc, woe is me! Just buy the best or most fitting for you Pascal laptop in September/October when they release.

 

My brother suggested to me wall mounting a monitor onto my bedroom wall and using a wireless keyboard/mouse. That way I could fit a desktop into my tiny box room without needing a desk or chair. It'd just have to be right next to the radiator, so I'd never be able to turn that on again ha.

I am seriously considering it. But prices are crazy even for desktop here in UK. Just a i7-6700K and GTX 1080 costs >$1300, let alone the rest of the desktop parts and a monitor! D:

 

I remember someone suggesting to you getting a bunk bed, then just remove the lower bunk & stick a desk/chair/PC under there & sleep on the top bunk above it - I thought that was a good idea.

With a desktop PC, you could see your monitor as a long term investment - should last you many years and a few different builds. Motherboard & CPU could also be mid/long term investments lasting past 5 yrs perhaps, then you just upgrade GPU two or three times (praps using x60 or x70 GPUs rather than the 1080 you priced up).

 

And this is why I went desktop.... I dont know how or why almost every parts on laptops have an insanely high premium for less performance, less upgrade room, and more restrictions.

 

That's not extremely helpful.

Are we supposed to accept either paying an average amount and having access only to average things, or should we expect paying something decent and being able to get something high end ?

I mean it. In Romania, where minimum wage is 300$, those prices are not very sane. A samsung phone still costs 700$, a P870 still costs 3500$+ O.O

 

New Pascal Quadros (coming to market October 2016):

NVIDIA Quadro P5000 - GP104, 2,560 shader cores, 16 GB GDDR5X



NVIDIA Quadro P6000 - GP100 (or GP102), 3,840 shader cores, 24 GB GDDR5X



http://videocardz.com/62649/nvidia-quadro-p6000-and-p5000-pictured
https://translate.google.com/transl...dia-komt-met-quadro-p5000-en-p6000&edit-text=

 

Oh I did look into that but my room is so frickin' small that I found that I'd have to get a specialist company to specially construct a bed that's small enough to fit in there while also being tall enough to fit a desk underneath it. And then I'd have to buy a new smaller mattress that'd fit on top of said new bed as well as the desk and a chair. All in all it'd be over £600 - seeing as I'm hoping that I won't have to stay at the family home long term it'd be a potentially wasteful investment to make! Nice idea though.

 

Its gp102.

 

Any reasoning for this?

I tried to verify this and different sources come with different guesses (still no official info out there, GP100 is the original leak, GP102 are guesses based on memory size + type), hence I put both GP100 and GP102 as options.

BTW also the type of memory is apparently still not 100% sure for GDDR5X, but that seems to be much more certain than GP100 vs GP102.

 

Hey, look what I found.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/forums/desktop-hardware.1121/

 

GP100 wont have GDDR5x memory controller.

 

Thanks, interesting.

So this leaves them space for 2 next Titan-level flagships (whenever they feel like, tech is ready) - first would be the same full GP102 chip as Quadro P6000 and then another one with GP100 and HBM2 (like what Tesla P100 has).

 

Get a nice big desk, without too much internal structure - no drawers or cabinets, just a top and legs, something large enough you can stretch out under at night.

Keep the wires to the stuff on top dressed down the legs and away from roaming limb's at night.

If you are really slick, mount an LCD under the top to relax and watch video's on your way to slumber land.

Kinda like the custom bed, with none of the cost over the desk.

How big is the closet? Can you stretch out from end to end?

Sleeping on the floor is good for your back, on your back, but hard on your hips in any other position.

Get a nice thick pad, like those for outdoor sleeping bags, and put the bag on it for comfort. Inflatable or firm foam, your personal comfort choice.

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As I understand it. 1070 will probably be the most powerful Nvidia graphics cards for slim laptops - 980m size in TDP (Alienware, etc.). 1080 will be for laptops designed for previous 980 aka P870 and the like with better cooling!! Finally some sense. 1080's TDP should not be crimped more than necessary!!

 

Probably too little performance improvement from going 3584 to 3840. Not sure how much would the additional memory bandwidth help out the card.

 

You are right. 3,584 => 3,840 would be just ~7% extra performance.

Though Titan X clocks are still relatively conservative at 1,531 MHz boost (while GTX 1080 is 1,733 MHz boost).

So in theory combined extra shaders and higher clocks could potentially go up to ~121% of Titan X (with tech that already exists, no new R&D needed, just maybe wait for better yields).

I guess Nvidia still wants to keep some aces in the sleeve for what AMD may come up with Vega in 2017.

That's also where HBM2 may come handy. Vega should come with it and AMD will make sure there will be some use-cases demoed where bandwidth would make a difference. Fun times ahead.

 

The 7% shader performance wont scale linearly. It would like 2-5% performance maybe.

 

Guys please, there is a desktop hardware area for a reason.


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I agree, could we please stick to mobile Pascal cards in this thread? I'm always getting excited about seeing new posts here, just to find out it's about unrelated topics. :/

 

No the wink means think about it, new cards actually have to be tested in the older machines before you can even begin to guess.

 

Tgipiper a nd aq get out of here... You guys only talk about desktop. Beat it

 

Hey! Don't give us the cold shoulder!

Since youre part of an official company, you should have some producer data, it would be actually strange if neither you nor Clevo don't have the cards in hands at this point.

(I hope it comes as what it is, a joke xD)

Seriously now, we are curious if it works, if you have data on this, it would be good to share it!

 

Even if he were using a laptop with a 1080M now, he wouldn't be allowed to tell us anything without risking his job. Most likely under NDA until the official announcement.

 

If there were cards being tested at this point the concern would be the new models, not on placing them in the older systems and seeing if they do. I am sure those buying a system want it to be working as best as possible in the configuration they bought it in.

Upgrading has always been in the realm of the community to figure out and test, given the large number of possible variables there simply is not time around a launch to be doing that sort of thing anyway.

Hold off for a bit, wait for those will access to cards to have a look and see what the outcome of any testing is.

 

Beginning of August or end of August? What do we think is more likely?

 

It's totally understandable that we can't get any interesting data on this, but hey, we can always ask.

What I am curious is why we can't get date release or other information? I mean why do they still keep it under NDA ? A company can gain or lose clients based on whether the client is actually happy with the choice, Like, if I want to buy a P870 right now, but a company knows that 1080 laptops will be coming next week, but they still sell me a 980 based laptop, I will probably be pretty mad, especially at that price point, no?

Retailers don't have the obligation to even consider this, but companies kind of have. Especially after a certain price point

 

Nvidia always control all their information very closely, sager/clevo have to work very closely with them and that involves co-operation between all parties.

Shooting your work partner in the foot is never a good idea.

I do plan on doing some interesting over views for people and diving in a bit deeper in the future on parts so bear with me, I am being as open as possible (even though I am likely going to get burned) because I respect the community and hope you will understand.

 

Why ruin the sales of laptops with Maxwell?

 

That's also true!

Won't blame you for that.

We're just overly curious and for most of us, a 3000-4000 USD investment is not a small one

Wondering if 1080 based P870 comes really soon or it's not on for some time. I mean, it's sold for being upgradeable, we should at least have an orientative date, like Q3 or Q4 .

 

There is also the fact that spare cards are hard to come by at first in all launches...

 

There are always some resellers leaking info to a 3rd party and said party exposes it as "own source". Of course you can't confirm credibility in such cases in order to protect people but point is, it happens more than you know


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Not if you have a good relationship with your re-seller

 

Then you don't need information from me

 

Agreed.

That's why I haven't bought a PC since my M17xR3. I still have my M15x which runs like a beast till today. 940XM and a 780M FTW! Also got a 2 year old 6+ which I plan to use for another year, iPhone 7 can kiss my A**. You guys will be surprised how much saving can happen if you don't run after every iteration of every tech. My girlfriend is definitely very happy because we spend TWO 3-week vacations per year ever since I went conservative.

I cannot pass up Pascal though. Got 3500$ saved up for whichever machine I'm going to buy next. Throw in a 4 year accidental warranty in there and I'll sleep peacefully at night. I will go for the DT1080 whenever it shows up and it looks like I'll be holding a Clevo 870 very soon unless AW 18 decides to make an unlikely comeback. In any case, Christmas will definitely come early this year.


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Wow HBM2 is only for GP100, Nvidia seems ready for AMD, the Titan X launch was unexpected and with the Quadros soon, AMD are getting beated to pulp, Milking at it's best by Ngreedia.
Even in mobile there's no scope for AMD to get all those Asus, MSI, Clevo contracts, maybe that crApple only, AW doesn't too. We will be overcharged while DT users pay 1/4 of it. Meh..

If Kabylake is coming in 2017 then HBM2 Mobile cards will come with that CPU, then the death of MXM3.0b is for sure, the whole Heatsinks / Cooling are going to be modified and god knows what will happen then to the notebook realm.

 

The thread is literally called pascal news.....

whatever lol

Kaby is coming earlier. Shipping right now to OEMs last I heard. HBM2 is later.

HBM could work with MXM 3.0b, but will anyone bother with it is another question.....

 

For non-upgradeable laptops (virtually all of them & often times even those with MXM modules!), then I'd say get the best GPU you can afford because the cost of replacing the whole laptop is huge if you find in a couple of years that it's not powerful enough. With i7 CPUs there's not a whole lot of difference in performance between the different models so I think a baseline i7 is good enough, and is where you can save some money - use it to buy good quantity of RAM and best GPU you can afford. The exception to this is if you do very CPU intensive tasks (especially if it's work orientated), then you'll also want the best CPU you can get - perhaps a laptop with excellent cooling so you can overclock an unlocked MX CPU - obviously a very expensive upgrade!