Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

There's probably only three laptops non-watercooled-docked that can even house one...

 

Yeah, Because you can't use a fully 1080 in those thin lightweight laptops Finally maybe a change to thicker models again

 

There's only one. P870DM-G. P775DM-G will need a TDP throttled card just like the 980 situation. And these cards are still going to be hot as the burning sun. The P870DM-G will really live up to its "Phoenix" nickname.

 

Please, you can't even use a 1080 in most of the currently-existing ones.

I was actually being generous. And I didn't say the cards wouldn't be throttled =D. Though the 180W 980 was pretty much perfectly fine (for stock). Just like the 150W one. Of course considering OCing... that's an entirely different story.

 

Throttling situation is different here... Its more because of heat. We've already seen the Pascal fire in desktops.

 

Yeah, I know. I'm still, like literally STILL, laughing at how people expect 1060s and 1070s in the Aero 14 and Razer Blades.

It literally is the funniest thing in the world to me right now.

 

The saddest part is that they will most likely stuff them in there and keep them at the throttle point. Average consumer doesn't know anything about it or they wouldn't purchase those kinds of machines in the first place.

Its really a sad state of affairs period. There is no "future proof" laptop anymore because a) Intel changes the socket for every "tock" and b) MXM standard is no longer standard.

 

Throttle point? You mean incapable of holding 2/3 base clock? Hell, the Aero 14 CANNOT use pascal. IT THROTTLES A 970M. Even a 640 core Pascal would overheat in that thing (and be worthless).

As for the upgrade-ability, you're right. Oh well. To the depths of hell it will go. It will come back sometime, when AMD goes bankrupt and a company that understands competition buys them over.

 

What a pity.

You know, I wouldn't mind a thicker (but 13-14") notebook if it was aptly tapered, a bit like a fat MacBook Air (bad example, buuut, you get what I mean, I hope).

@D2 Ultima, thanks for your insightful posts.

To be honest, I don't think anyone realistically expected to stuff a 1080 in the thinnest of notebooks - even the 980M was off-limits in any notebook thinner than the P650S/RG series. That's just being plain stupid.

However, going by what we're seeing, the 1060 with a fairly decent clock seems like a viable option even now. I'm not altogether losing hope that I might possibly get a refresh. But then again, it's 60% likely that I'll wait for Volta or even Einstein (aka 2018) before I change my notebook. By then my 860M will be so old...

I don't want to think about it. The games I play now have a fair bit of replayability, if not there's always the option of 900p.

 

the P775DM doesnt use a TDP throttled card, but rather the phoenix is using a TDP enhanced 980, slight but significant difference ^^

performance numbers for m1070 are nice, about +62% compared to 980M lets see if theres gonna be ANY standard mxm boards of that gpu whatsoever... TDP and heatwise it shouldnt be a problem at all for the ZM and DM series

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You haven't seen tech website comment sections, reddit, and the LTT forums, then. Also, P35x V3 and P37x V3 housed 980Ms and... mostly... managed to keep them cool just fine running at stock. In cooler countries.

As for this, I'd say you could probably do with an upgrade right now. A 1060 in a P6xxRx chassis would probably do just fine for you.

 

2000$ for 1070 I would go for that
otherwise if 1080 with GDDR5X memory will be 2500$, I would stretch to that
*in my dreams tho

 

Yo, guys. When exactly is that ASUS mobile pascal launch event someone mentioned a couple days ago? Is it 8/3? At which time zone?


Boring boring Chelsea

 

The army doesn't pay nearly enough (US$490++ monthly) for me to be able to decently afford an upgrade now (prices here for electronics are about 30% higher than in the US).

I say 2018, because that's when my military service ends and I'll enter university. I'd like a spanking new laptop to go with that, and furthermore, my household is known for making electronics last long.

We have an Acer AIO from 2010 still running a Core 2 Quad Q6600 and a GT 240M. Then there was a Samsung notebook from 2011 with an i7-2630QM and a GT 525M which we only just sold. We've got a couple of old Nokias and Sony Ericsson feature phones that still work wonderfully, not to mention old iPhones and a bloody old 1080p TV from 2006 which we replaced just last year, when the screen started leaking. Hence... my family expects my laptop to last two more years at least.

 

Where are you from if I may ask?

We have mandatory military service too over here


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My signature shall guide you to the answer...

 

My laptop is an N82JQ which I bought at COMEX 2010, with a i720 cpu (quad core, thankfully) and a GTX335M. I can only play DIII and SCII comfortably on lowest settings (I could do Skyrim on min too); anything newer or more intensive might just overheat and hard crash my com. MWO for example runs very poorly. Don't have time to play these days anyway.

I'm surprised how effective a quad core CPU lasts, but now it's slowing down (especially W10!!!) and can't keep up with my lab data manipulation. I'm waiting for Pascal to come out, was thinking of Kaby Lake but I shall see how long this laptop lasts before I go for the kill. I'll probably go for the Clevo P750 range. That's probably an upgrade, no?

Hadriel

 

If you're considering eGPU solution, I'd say a refurbished Alienware is pretty good value now.

 

That's definitely a huge upgrade for you.

In terms of CPU, Kaby Lake doesn't seem like will be adding a huge performance leap from Skylake.


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From what I recall it was supposed to be on Weds - it'll be interesting to see if anything happens.

 

It was a prediction of an Asus Pascal notebook announcement, but several other posts of Asus Pascal announcement rumors have since pegged that announcement for weeks later.

NVIDIA Mobile GeForce Pascal series to be announced at Gamescom
Published: 1st Aug 2016 | 34 Comments
http://videocardz.com/62730/nvidia-mobile-geforce-pascal-series-to-be-announced-at-gamescom

"Mobile Pascal may arrive at Gamescom in Europe. According to DigiTimes, NVIDIA would allow its notebook partners to unveil mobile Pascal between August 17th to 21st, so just when Gamescom is hosted in Germany

ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte would showcase their new notebooks, some of them equipped with mobile GeForce GTX 1080, GTX 1070 and GTX 1060 graphics solutions."

I wouldn't put any credence into any rumor, wait for actual company information releases about Pascal notebooks.

 

The leaked site of ASUS 1070 laptop says it will be available at 8.05. So everything is possible.

 

I lumped those Aug 3rd, 5th rumors into this week

The others put the release out from Aug 16th through October...

 

Launch shouldn't be too far away. Notebooks with Pascal GPUs started to show up listed at a lot of places, including big and known shops.

See for example Asus G752VS, some days ago at Polish Komputronik, yesterday it was French Fnac, now available also as pre-order on French Amazon:

https://www.amazon.fr/Asus-G752VS-GC003T-Ultrabook-métal-Windows/dp/B01I3FVZWU/

 

This is a good sign. The manufacturer should have enough products for sale.

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Another laptop with gtx 1080 will be in stock 2016-08-08 Price 2800€

http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/dato...k-16gb-1tb_hdd__512gb_ssd-gtx1080m_8gb-win_10

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I don't see any information about graphics card in the Amazon link. How do you know this is a Pascal GPU powered laptop?
thank you

 

That's unlikely to be the case, as all the 1080/1070/1060 cards up for "pre-order" and normal order have all been showing "Out of stock" far more than available.

If you find the laptop you want in stock, and verify that with a call to the vendor, buy it immediately, as it may not show up in stock again for a long time.

If you pre-order, even from known good sources, noone knows the stocking level each seller will get at release, tying up your "cash" until the "pre-order" site gets enough to fulfill all pre-orders.

Some regions near you might get them sooner and in larger stocking levels, with your "cash" tied up in a pre-order without being able to take advantage of stock levels elsewhere.

These are all brand new laptops in first production runs, so problems might be found and require RMA to fix.

There is usually some price to pay for early adoption of new technology. Waiting for BIOS/vBIOS updates being common.

 

Funny part is, if you look in the specs there is "Video Graphics EMBARGO 19th August" were the nVidia model should be... Maybe 19th of August is the end of NDA

 

Interesting that they still list it with GTX 1080M. Seems like Nvidia at first wanted to brand them as usual (or maybe that's just shop putting placeholder name before embargo? ).

BTW that Asus model is with notebook GTX 1070 not 1080.

 

Nice catch

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The same Asus model was listed elsewhere as having GTX 1070 (G752 VS).

There will be also different models with just GTX 1060 (G752 VM)

 

According to their website, they have 32 units in stock. Weird.

 

Indeed very Strange, for couple of minits ago it was out of stock

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While we been discussion, the webhallen page has updated and there are now 32 pcs in stock! Go figure.

Wow you guys are fast...

 

Mind to share the price of G752 VM?

 

There were few models at Polish Komputronik, meanwhile taken down:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-513#post-10299815

The cheapest Asus G752VM (with GTX 1060) version there was ~1,627 EUR.

 

For Asus it looks like, so far, that the G752 series will top out with the 1070 GPU.

The GX700 series for the 1080 - both water and air cooled versions.

The GX800 series with the 1080 SLI water cooled edition.

Making every Pascal laptop much more expensive for the performance Tier than expected, essentially 1 Tier up price range for every 10XX model.

1050 replaces 960m
1060 replaces 970m
1070 replaces 980m
1080 replaces 980 desktop mobile

 

Sweat!

 

That's $1850 US currently, which seems like an outrageous price for a "960m" replacement. That pricing would put it at a 970m class level laptop in the previous generation.

 

I think the price includes the VAT ~ 23% in Poland. If minus the VAT, it's about ~ $1500.

 

$1500 is still in 970m range.

960m's were going for $850-1050 base pricing. 965m's about $100-150 more.

 

If you are from US, don't stress too much about these EUR prices. We poor folks in Europe always had to pay much more than in US .

Compared to what Maxwells did cost here when they launched back in 2014, there is some price increase but nothing outrageously bad (maybe up to +10%).

 

I agree. 1060 is meant to replace 970M. So the price should match. I'd say $1700 - $2000 depending on the configuration in US.

 

Today is Titan X Pascal release day, the Nvidia site has the Buy Now up:

Nvidia Buy Now is broken from top level page links, here is the working Pascal direct sales page:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-store

Here is the first benchmark info comparison between the Pascal desktop models:

NVIDIA TITAN X (Pascal) 3DMark Performance
Published: 2nd Aug 2016 | 160 Comments
http://videocardz.com/62738/nvidia-titan-x-pascal-3dmark-performance



Update:

First gaming benchmarks of NVIDIA TITAN X are here
Published: 2nd Aug 2016 | 46 Comments
http://videocardz.com/62766/first-gaming-benchmarks-of-nvidia-titan-x-are-here

TITAN X SLI benchmarks from PCWorld:

 

Well,that's how the GTX1070 on a mxm card(probably from clevo). The earlier posts suggested the TDP is around the 120w, extra power supply doesn't necessary needed.
i think this is bye bye for all old clevo models that support mxm card


Boring boring Chelsea

 

Maybe MSI will uphold the promise of 2 generations of upgrades with the 1060 in standard MXM 3.0b? For all 980m/970m owners, and 1070/1080 for 980(notebook) owners?

Who knows... class action suits to follow otherwise...

 

It's about the same size as the 200 watt varient. With a different power connection.

 

Not only the power connector, but different shape, as well as different hole placement. Forget about fitting standard MXM, not with the stock heat-sink at least and I doubt that they'll make a few versions. Who knows though. That bulge near the connector is also "interesting". A standard MXM might barely clear it, or might not.

It is Clevo - S-XXXXXXX is how they mark their parts.

M5500M in WT72 is a standard MXM-B form factor 150W GPU. Not sure if anyone got one though. Also that was Maxwell. Then again the earlier posted pictures of GT72 1080m (1070?) indicate that it has an odd shape (haven't seen them myself, but from the posts, it seems so). A 1060 wont be much of an upgrade over 980(m), but hey it is a "brand new" architecture, so people might buy it Interesting indeed, love to see how MSi is going to handle their promise.

As I said before, if you want anything even remotely close to MXM-B - MobileWorkstations would have it, but the price would make it more or less irrelevant. Kiss upgreadability GoodBye, at least the top-tier one. Funny how we pointed at ASUS' odd shapes, but they had the best shaped 780m there is (close resemblance to desktop GPU), which would've been nice if it was standardized. Everything was similar to DT GPU and was a power plug away from getting a full blown DT GPU in terms of power and robustness. ASUS went soldered since then and all the rest apparently went batshit crazy with shapes. I fail to realize how this is good since the re-usability of parts is getting ridiculously low, next to non-existent. Something I'm thinking for a while now - AMD secured the consoles, because they are the only that can offer the technology (so-so CPU and pretty good GPU makes nice APU, grIntel has CPU but nowhere near GPU, nGREEDIA is the other way around with Tegra), maybe nGREEDIA decided to secure the notebook market? I think yes, and these are the "wonderful" products - consoles with displays. Yeah, screw it.

 

That's a 775DM, And are you sure that's a 1070 not a 1080 ? And wtf there's no metal shroud around the core (If there's any slight heatsink warp the die will get cracked imo (?)

RIP, Alienware going full BGA retarded (Making a numerous GPU contracts to go normal BGA), AMD with 0 competition, people just buying BGA and new every year. Also the deep pocketed dumb crApple sheeple flock led to this demise of upgradeability factor..
Damn what a sad news in the morning.

I guess I'm done with notebooks, cannot pay such huge sums of cash to only get ripped by next gen..
NGreedia ending up 30$ settlement for the 970 scam and they are milking us with pascal with overpriced hardware..