Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

1060 is replacing the 970M, not the 960M.

The Asus machines with 970M launched at the same prices.

 

Read my other posts, I stated that the relationship between Maxwell and Pascal shifted the numbering down 1 tier.

The 1060 numbering makes it sound like it's a 960m replacement, but in the New Nvidia Math 6 = 7

10 50 => upgrade for 9 60m
10 60 => upgrade for 9 70m
10 70 => upgrade for 9 80m
10 80 => upgrade for 9 80 desktop mobile.

Basically, if you are waiting for an upgrade for your 980m/970m, you are going to be offered a 980m => 1070, and a 970m => 1060, which is kinda odd.

The reset on the naming from "m" to desktop mapping, slides everything down 1 Tier.

 

Are you talking performance or price?

Forgive me, I'm just a novice wanting to buy a new laptop but waiting for the new Pascal cards. Unfortunately with my <$1000 budget I feel like Harry Potter pressing his face against the window looking at the brand new Firebolt broomstick that was almost certainly to be out of his budget.

 

Price level matching, at least close to what we would normally look for - asking what do I get for the same money as XX GPU in the previous generation. The numbering of the GPU's has shifted 1 Price Tier for the new generation.

All the new Pascal GPU's are much faster than the previous generation.

 

Guys... Stop talking about MSI as if it is a reference point or at least a relevant one compared to a clevo.

MSI is known to produce its own variants so don't be surprised seeing different MXM modules in MSI laptops which will be the ones used to fulfill the upgradability promise.

 

So it's looking like the 1050M (or whatever the 1050 notebook designation will be) will be comparable in price to the 960M, but significantly faster?

 

Should i buy this its confirmed that its in stock right now this store is under my house http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/dato...k-16gb-1tb_hdd__512gb_ssd-gtx1080m_8gb-win_10

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You posted in the wrong thread, this isn't a Clevo thread, this is a Pascal discussion thread, all makes are considered news, and comparisons are likely to be made as well.

The TDP difference between 1060, 1070, 1080 MXM cards will likely be similar between makes, as it is based on the same base parts. Offerings will differ, but comparisons are valid.

MSI is the only make to specifically address and offer MXM generational upgrades from Maxwell to Pascal and a follow on generation.

Clevo hasn't made any claim for MXM GPU upgradeability.

 

Sure. Post some benches once you get home while you're at it

 

I am simply saving everyone who doesn't know MSI's policy when it comes to MXM. I see them compare in a Pascal discussion thread, I ocrrect them in a pascal discussion thread. That's all man.

 

Given that Nvidia hasn't announced the Pascal mobile GPU, and Asus hasn't announced that Pascal model, it's not possible to offer one for sale.

I would call the Stockholm store and ask if you can drive over and pick one up today

Likely they will give some excuse, and since the NDA hasn't lifted they can't promise a solid specific date for availability without breaking their NDA, which would put their Asus franchise in jeopardy.

I wouldn't give anyone money for an unannounced product.

 

No, no, no, no, no. Don't trust that this is legit when Pascal mobile cards haven't been announced by nvidia yet. At the very least, contact the seller first, and get confirmation in writing from them that it's actually legit. Even then, I wouldn't buy.

 

Here is the question, is M5500M a standard mxm card or do we even have pictures of it?

Also have titan x on the way!

 

The system description on the link says "Video Graphics EMBARGO 19th August".

 

Why not pay them a visit or give a call, right?) In the laptop description it says this - "Video Graphics EMBARGO 19th August"
But from the looks it can easily feature GTX 1070 inside or might not. I just don't think G752 can house Full GTX 1080, imho.

 

Yes, someone already mentioned that, yet the form allows you to purchase now.

And, he asked if he should purchase now, and we all said "NOOOO!!"

There is also an earlier post I made putting 2+2 together and suggesting that Aug 19th might be the end of the Pascal Mobile NDA, which would peg the earliest possible date for announcing the real sales dates, which might be even further out than Aug 19th.

There were a lot of posts today, go back about 5 pages and catch up

 

Complaining about the naming tiers, when the pricing and performance tiers have remained consistent, is a waste of time.

Embrace the change, it's for the better.

 

Sorry! Just caught up now

 

It's not a waste of time for people confused about the change, we are discussing it and not complaining about it.

Embrace the discussions, go with the flow, contribute instead of criticize.

 

I remember a day when Prema asked to "vote with our wallets" for MXM GPUs and socketed CPUs. And i agree to that. But here's the catch...

If, this time around, there will be no PASCAL support for current MAXWELL MXM high-end laptop models, what's the point of "voting" for them? I mean, people pay extra for better cooling, overclockability, support etc, right? But if those gaming beasts could not be upgraded over time, and GPU is the main part here, what's left is CPU side of things (Clevo). The same goes for MSI. Just leave current GT72S/GT80S owners in the dust this time and why bother with MXM in the first place?

Not saying this is vendors fault, May be AW new where Ngreedia was going and simply followed the path earlier and took the most hit for enthusiast community.

Anyways, i really hope i'm wrong about it and we will see full support from vendors and some "magic vbios modders" and enjoy Pascal. Cause the performance gap coming from maxwell is much wider right now for mobile users than for desktop.

 

How can anyone possibly be confused though? All they've done is name the cards exactly what they are.

 

Did anyone notice SLI connector? That's a good sign)

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I'm 100% sure that's the opposite, People need to know It's just not a simple ASUS type BGA push or some random thing, the Alienware purchase was a more over time seal the deal type scenario. Coming to the point directly ultimately Dell would explicitly control everything also the Dell privatization has also a major part in it, which naturally implied the massive design change of the Alienwares from 2013 Includes numerous nerfs - EC fan profiles, BIOS lockdown, 330W limiation, Fan CFM rating, gimped Area 51 R3, new Aurora, No more older ALXs, Just look at the massive downgrade and stooping to the hell, This is enough already and the new Echo lineup is an abomination, no change in 15" and 17" mobos, hard user maintenance, shared heatsink, locking everyone out of the HW, Just like ASUS, they can have a middle finger from us.

Spoiler: More truth of the Dellienware by Cass-Ole'

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-gone-backwards.781343/page-79#post-10288004

Sorry for the OT, But people should know how Alienware went backwards.

Back on topic, I guess that's a 1080 sitting in there, since the 775DM was designed to take the odd MXM cards, that justifies it also the MXM is Clevo shape of 200W but yeah the SLI port is there this time (I've noticed it too), Just a ray of hope here in pitch black darkness for 3.0b machines owners.

 

@Prema what do you know about Pascal mobile? Anything you can share?

Still waiting for @Meaker's hints btw!

 

You got it all figured out Kevin, good work

 

Its @Meaker@Sager

 

What I don't like is what the new GPUs could mean for the upgrade kits on MSI laptops. I know GT83 will use SLI 1080s, but that doesn't mean the GT80 can handle it. Does that mean we will be screwed with lousy 1060s or something? Time sure passes slowly haha.

 

I think for the GT80/GT80S we can hope for:

965m SLI => 1070 SLI (unknown, but hoping the GT80 Base cooling is capable)
970m SLI => 1070 SLI (unknown, but hoping the GT80 Base cooling is capable)
980m SLI => 1070 SLI
980 SLI => 1080 SLI

It should be cheaper for MSI to come up with a single 1070 kit for all the base GT80/GT80s, rather than put out 1060/1050 kits as well. Update: no 1060/1050 SLI desktop, likely not for laptops either.

 

Those seem logical but something is itching at the back of my brain and keeps telling me that all we're gonna get is the 1070.

I hope I'm wrong as **** tho, as you can see from my sig, im affected too


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Come on guys, we're all dying to know about Pascal mobile but let's not pressure Meaker into getting into trouble for breaking an NDA. He said he'd do an overview for us at some point (and that he's likely "to get burned" for doing it), let's let him decide when, and if he wants to take that risk now. Either way we'll all still find out about mobile Pascal mobile soon enough

 

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This is actually a GOOD THING, because not only can your Laptop be used to take with you when you want to play Skyrim on vacation, but now it can be used when you go camping, too, as a replacement for your Cast Iron Frying pan!

"Need to cook some Eggs and Bacon in the morning for Breakfast but hate the heavy weight of a Cast Iron Skillet to lug around?
Worry no more, because Nvidia's new Pascal GPU for Notebooks lineup has got what you need.
Thanks to Nvidia, it's not just a laptop, but also a portable electric Fry Pan, just ready to make your breakfast favorites in the Morning!"

(I see this Nvidia Portable Cookware idea being on late-night Cable Infomercials this fall).

 

I know what you mean, but then again, there was nothing stopping GT80 with 980m to be upgraded to a desktop 980 version. They of course didn't sell the GPUs, but if you replaced them between models, I bet they would work.

My problem is... that the new 1080 might require the use of the additional power connector, and thus it might be something that only the new GT83 will provide, so no 1080 for any version laptop except new GT83 etc.

But I would hope for at least 1070. The 1060 sucks and it would be a very small upgrade.

I am on the same boat. I believe 1070 might be the most we will get.

 

MSI would do themselves a great disservice by not offering 1080 upgrades's in the laptops that had the 980 mobile desktop, that's just bad business.

We shall see what MSI offer, but I would "demand" a 1080 Upgrade if I paid all that money for an MSI 980 desktop mobile GPU laptop.

 

I'm sure they'll offer it... 1750 dollars or so upgrade. MSI won't pass that $$$ up.

 

It's likely that MSI will require sending in the GT80/GT80S for Pascal GPU upgrades, maybe even the GT72S 980 desktop mobile models.

That would allow MSI the ability to change out several things, upgrade firmware, and test in house to make sure it's all working.

IDK about the single 980m/970m upgrades. It could go either way, but they might also require a visit to MSI for the upgrade.

 

If I cant upgrade my Alienware 18 i'm going back to desktop.

 

There are many nice desktop motherboards coming out now, just in time for the Maxwell X(P).

 

Sorry but the 18 is dead man.

 

If you hope for 1080, I would start building a desktop rig right now!

 

Better sell it now, the 330W limit won't let you push the cards even 980M's. Forget the 1070M SLI if it makes because it's purported to have 10W more TDP than the 980M it's replacing.
Sorry to say this..

 

I wasn't trying to pressure him, was just correcting the tag.

 

1060 doesn't support SLI. 1070 and 1080 only. Unless mobile 1060 does and desktop 1060 doesn't, which makes absolutely no sense... but either way, laptops are getting a real short end of the stick this time. Most gaming laptops that survive the Pascal change will support the 1060 at most because of the size and weight limits, and most existing gaming laptops will have literally nothing to use. Inb4 1050 and 1040 come out mobile-first so that 80% of the "gaming laptops" on the market can actually use some cards.

 

1060 is the successor for 970m. So I think that's why mobile 1060 will support Sli.

 

That's also a good reason for MSI to offer 1070 SLI upgrades for the 970m/965m SLI GT80's, as the 1060 isn't able to be SLI'd.

 

1060 is GP106. I quicker believe it's the replacement for the 965M, with 970M > 1070 and 980M > 1080.

Either way, since they're doing this "desktop card is now mobile card" deal, I would say no 1060 SLI desktop = no 1060 SLI laptop.

Besides, SLI is garbage now. No point in SLI-ing two lower end cards (I don't care if they perform like 980s or not... they're GP106, and the GP102 card is out. They are OFFICIALLY entry-level midranged Pascal).

 

You can prod me, but I can't say anything about up coming products guys, as much as I wish I could

 

Do we have any legitimate confirmation on whether or not there will be an M series lineup? I haven't been keeping up.

My understanding is that there will be a desktop 1060, 1070, and 1080 available in certain laptop models, but also a traditional 1060M, 1070M, and 1080M, just without an "M" behind the name to confuse the hell out of people. If this is the case, I think NVIDIA has lost it. If not, then I feel bad for all you Razer laptop owners.

I don't believe a desktop 1060 will fit inside a Razer (or any laptop of similar form factor).

 

My understanding so far is that they drop all M naming

Also, another thing... There is not a single trace of 1080 in news, only speculation.

I'm unsure whether in this thread we had 1080 laptop confirmation, but so far, we have not got anything like a confirmation that we will have an 1080 laptop at all with the initial release.

While they are sure going to make one, it just irks to ask whether we are going to see it soon enough to make sense buying an P870 now or waiting. Since 980 desktop in laptops was lunched later than 9xxM line, it is something to take into account when making a purchase or a decision.

Might add as well, PC owners are much happier than laptop owners for not having to deal with all of these, but then again, I think that those of us buying laptops also need the mobility they offer.

 

I'm pretty sure there will be one, and that it will be near launch. But as for what fits it? Well... I know MSI is going to try and Clevo will do it. But everyone else can basically go salt.

 

ASUS could with their liquid cooling as well.