Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

From what others have said you are looking at 1060 to replace (and beat) 970M. 1050 to replace (and beat) 960M. I think you will be able to find something with a 1050 for around $1000 that you will be absolutely thrilled with. If I can match or beat my current 880M in a small, thinner laptop then I am all in. I still need Win 7 so this means a Clevo machine. I hope the new ones with 10xx will still run on Win 7. If not I will have to buy an used 9xx series Clevo or simply wait until my software catches up (niche programming, not PC related).

 

But the 1050 is not expected to be announced at gamescom like the 1060/70/80. That means 1050 would be for christmas at best but probably more next year which means for 6 months there would be a gap at $1000 with no products if they stop selling the 960m and 970m at the end of the month like some people were assuming.

 

Maybe that's where AMD comes in.. One can hope, at least.

 

Without the 1040/1050 there is a large drop off of available options for discrete Pascal laptops below about $1500.

There needs to be something offered in the $800-1200 range, unless the Maxwell 940MX / 950 / 960 are going to persist for a while.

They 1040/1050 might get announced too, there just isn't enough room to add them to the rumor marquee's

Or, it might happen sometime afterwards, to allow people to digest the releases in smaller chunks.

 

Another leak, now from Swiss shop Digitec, with several new Clevos:

Medion Erazer X7847 (17.30", Full HD, Intel Core i7-6700HQ, 16GB, SSD, HDD, Win 10)
Grafikkarten Modell: nVidia GeForce GTX 1060
Price: 1,899 CHF

https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/produc...7-6700hq-16gb-ssd-hdd-win-10-notebook-5870301

Medion Erazer X7849 (17.30", Full HD, Intel Core i7-6700HQ, 32GB, SSD, HDD, Win 10)
Grafikkarten Modell: nVidia GeForce GTX 1070
Price: 2,499 CHF

https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/produc...7-6700hq-32gb-ssd-hdd-win-10-notebook-5870302

Medion Erazer X7849 HK II (17.30", Full HD, Intel Core i7-6820HK, 64GB, SSD, HDD, Win 10)
Grafikkarten Modell: nVidia GeForce GTX 1070
Price: 2,999 CHF

https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/produc...7-6820hk-64gb-ssd-hdd-win-10-notebook-5870303

All seems to use the same Clevo P67X chassis, just with different components inside:



(source: http://www.notebookcheck.com/Lenovo...e-GTX-1070-und-GTX-1060-geleakt.171095.0.html)

 

The price is Incredible high for 1070 laptop.

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Also not sure if this was already posted, but there are gaming tests for notebook GTX 1070 at 1080p and 4K:











http://laptopmedia.com/news/gaming-...tx-1070-give-us-hope-of-4k-gaming-on-laptops/
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Nvidia...marks-machen-Lust-auf-4K-Gaming.171074.0.html

 

Yeah... and Medion is a discount shop brand, supposed to be cheap.

 

Mobile 1070 performs well at 1080p Max.

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I didn't verify, but in case of doubt go to LaptopMedia. These were the original source with a notebook in hand.

NotebookCheck folks just made new graphs to put notebook GTX 1070 performance in perspective.

 

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I prefer to take the cautious approach here in not immediately assuming that leaked price sources are entirely accurate, if at all.
If the 1070m-based gaming MSI and Sager Laptops will go for $2,000 at launch, then obviously I will be pleasantly surprised and delighted, but this doesn't make any sense to me, unless Nvidia and the Resellers are willing to take huge cut in profits here with a newly-released product, or these are just very bare-boned systems, that will see enormous price hikes after configuration, like a standard form of bait and switch.
Alienware does this all the time.
My price guesstimate of the $2800 mark was for a fully-configured but not overly ostentatious Laptop, btw.

 

I'm gonna say this from now and I'm 99% this is how things will turn out.
No current 15" chassis from clevo at least (and most probably MSI) will be able to upgrade to the 1070.

Even the current P870DM might not be able to upgrade to 1080, 1070 yes.

The cards will be more expensive and so will the laptops. Don't expect to buy a card from someone for at least 2-3 months unless you have a really good relationship with a reseller.

980 is probably on par with 1060, 1070 beats 980 DT by a nice margin perhaps 30%.

NDA is most probably gonna end on the 16th of August (or 15th depending on where you are.)

EDIT : MSI will design their own MXM boards to fulfill their 2 year upgradability program, so when they unveil theirs, don't get too disappointed if it doesn't happen for Clevo too, they didn't promise anything.

 

2500 chf for 1070 laptop at Switzerland. 2800 USD in US?

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Based on the leaks i think the Price for 1070 in Europe will be around 2100-2400 Euro!

sent from Nexus 5X

 

Guess I'll stick with 980M for another year....

 

So what about the leaked P870DM manual that shows 1070, 1070 sli, 1080, and even 1080 sli?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/official-clevo-p870dm2-p870dm3-owners-lounge.794530/

 

P870DM²
AND there are quite a few differences. For now it's a waiting game.

 

Sorry about the missing 2, and what do you mean differences?

 

MXM, slots are placed differently (very slightly), the screws that hold the card down have different screw hole (not visible yet, but drawn from the cards themselves). The power connector is different 8x1 instead of 4x1 (easy fix on this one). The MXM placement though is understandable though, to make the 1070 SLI compatible. It might even be able to a 980DT SLI now, with the cable and screw mods (maybe).
We are yet to see the single heat sink version for the 1080 though.

 

going to be getting an msi 1080

 

I really hope the 870dm can be configured with a single 1080. Can someone upload the 870dm manual? I can't get the official link to work.

 

Try asking @Phoenix, pretty sure he downloaded it.

 

Will be the 1070 ahead a SLI of 980m?

I have found a MSI GT80S with 2x980m for 2300€ and I think is a good price, what do you think guys?

 

It can be. Check the P870DM2/P870DM3 thread. Prema just posted there.

 

I think spending any money on Maxwell now is a bad idea. Worst case scenario, the new system costs a little more but offers you more performance.

Unless you get an insane deal, like $1000 off.

 

Unless the maxwell were not in your budget but are now, because of the release of a new gen.

I am no expert but I think 1070 and 980m SLI should be close with the 2x980m slightly ahead. And 1070 should be at the same price range around €2300. If it was me with this budget I would take new generation cards. In reality I will have to go for a 900 series to replace my old 700 series but that's because my budget is half yours.
But your deal is quiet good tbh.

 

What @J.Dre said.

Performance wise, GTX 1070 should be a little bit slower than SLI 980M (~90% according to leaked 3dmark firestrike numbers), but you'll have to deal with SLI problems, and have older tech (Pascal has some features Maxwell doesn't, e.g. better VR or async support).

Price-wise, the cheapest notebooks with GTX 1070 could be similar or maybe even a bit lower than 2,300 EUR.

 

The most important feature of that GT80S 980m SLI is that it is assumed MSI will offer an upgrade to 1070 SLI for GT80's with 980m SLI

The current price here for new GT80S 980m SLI is about $3300 USD, and that is the lowest I have seen.

Used, I would guess $2500 is a good fair price, which is about 2300 EURO.

You could offer $2000 Euro cash, and smile, and see if they bite

Then start saving up for the 1070 SLI, and game until it's available at 100 FPS @ 100hz for most games - supporting SLI scaling.

I would say that the 18" screen, mechanical keyboard, and opportunity for the promised 2 generations of Nvidia MXM upgrades makes it a bargain worth pursuing.

Make sure you get a written promise from the seller that they will act as the go between with MSI for RMA and the GPU Upgrade, as the MSI warranty support isn't transferable - at least in the US.

If you can get it as new with full warranty in your name - it hasn't been registered yet - that's even better.

Let us know how it works out

 

this laptop is brand new. but I don't know how good is the Msi warranty in Europe (Spain)

 

That's great, IDK about warranty in Spain either, but it should be good, ask over here and see if you get someone from that region to respond:

***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-official-msi-gt80-titan-owners-lounge.769092/

 

Summarizing from my understanding,

Yes, the MSI GT80 980M SLI upgrade kits a.k.a MXM3.0b will be compatiable with all current hardware and old hardware, They should do it right ? the promise, also the non standard 980 laptops might see the 1070 upgrade since they can incorporate the odd shapes...MSI might be only option since Clevo didn't promise anything.

P870DM owners will get single 200W type 1080 upgrade, Prema " confirmed" it in the DM2/3 thread, 1070 SLI also has chance (because all those leaks never showed the 980M successor), No Clue about the P75xZM 77xZM /DM lineup, Hope Clevo doesn't leave in dust that was most sold laptop I believe, It'd be real bad if that happens, Perhaps time for petition again ?

Everything is so sour atm.. Greed is really killing everything, If MSI fails to deliver, and Clevo does the same, then We (DTR people) all should give a middle finger and move to desktops. If we keep on buying this overpriced hardware they will not stop there, and It will harder every generation from here now on.

Hope the NVLink comes up later and make an MXM4.0 standard and give us real computers, that's my wish tbh.

P.S : 578 579 580 pages where Prema posted gives a positive feeling..

 

Hate to play devil's advocate here, but have you all seen the latest SLI benchmarks with Pascal? There's some funky business going on there. For example, adding a second 1080 to a desktop build resulted in about 6~ FPS increase over a single 1080 (in certain games). Drivers are still HORRIBLE. SLI may not be "worth" the extra cost, at least not for a while... Oh, and if you have a 980 or 980M SLI, you may want to wait for the 1100 series. Volta is actually ON SCHEDULE and this means the next iteration of Pascal will be out next summer, too.

TL;DR: I'm basically saying that technically 1070 SLI should perform quite a bit better than 980M SLI, but it probably won't due to the known SLI issues. Then again, Prema may have something to help with that.

 

Baloney...



With SLI we will have 1080 SLI or 1070 SLI, which is Titan X or 980Ti performance in a single card, and for the bulk of our games - since we buy mostly SLI compliant games, we will have faster than Titan XP performance with 1080 SLI or slightly slower than with 1070 SLI. In a laptop.

 

That's fair, and it covers some of the gap in our beliefs - I'm thinking strictly in the "From" sense when I say 2000-2200.

However, I don't really see why you say they would have to take a huge cut in profits to hit that price point, that is the price point at which 980M came, which is what it is replacing. In addition, the manufacturing step actually means each chip is cheaper to produce as far as I understand (though I'm certainly no expert), since you go from 398mm2 to 314mm2. The novelty of course on the other hand pushes it up (as well as the lack of competition).

To the other comments about having nothing in the 960M range until 1050 etc are announced, I think they'll just keep 960M around until they are ready, that's how it has worked before

 

They must have done something different with the Founders Edition



Around 2:15 in this video shows barely any improvement (he's using non-reference GPU's), which is what most will purchase.

I did say, "certain games." Seems SLI support is more on the developers side now.

 

Going by inadequate reviews? That's your choice. Hitman, run it single GPU, DX12, run it single GPU, and they should have gone out of their way to test at least 10+ SLI capable newer games for comparison to 980ti SLI and Titan X SLI. This was a poorly representative SLI benchmark video.

Look for properly successful benchmark runs with a nice array of SLI capable games, there are lots and lots of them, and your conclusion will be very positive.

Benchmarking non-SLI games on an SLI rig to review it is just plain ignorant.

Watch the one I posted all the way through, and learn something about how to do proper SLI benchmarking.

Ironically done by someone skeptical about SLI, until they got the results of their testing.

As I said, if you have 2 GPU's then all of your games will run as fast as the fastest single GPU laptop, and 90% of the games owned by someone that has SLI are going to support both GPU's, and blow away the performance of all single GPU laptops in those games.

 

I watch all reviews, even the one you shared. There are still many reports of micro-stuttering, framerate drops, and so on. High-bandwidth SLI bridge seems to settle some of those issues.

980M SLI owners really should wait another 9 months for the next iteration. That will give them a very, very nice improvement.

 

I am just gonna weigh in here, as someone who actually used 1080 SLI before... although with single bridge....

SLI isnt that good imo besides for benchmarking or you have no single gpu alternative.

Lets remember, all UE4 games wont play well with SLI.

 

If you want bragging rights, go for SLI.

 

Yeah, yeah, I've heard it all, and then I run games 100% enjoyably on SLI without any problems.

If you want to believe you won't be successful taming an SLI setup, then by all means stay away from it.

It's really not that difficult to make work. MSI did a good job getting the hardware right, so there aren't the problems that many have building their own DIY set up.

That's really the key, getting a good gaming setup tweaked and tuned by engineers that have the expertise perfected over years and many model releases as the basis for their success.

 

Minutes of SLI 1080 experience vs hundreds of hours of enjoyable SLI gaming, I think I'll go by my experience.

Less than a handful of games vs hundreds of games that do work well.

If its all the same to you, I'll enjoy SLI gaming, thanks.

Watch the video with the SLI enabled games benchmarks under 1080 SLI with it working well, and see how to do it right next time yourself.

 

Never said you couldn't or wouldn't enjoy SLI. I said it may not be worth the extra cost for certain games, so people should keep that in mind. It would benefit them to do a little research before hand. There are a lot of people who view (lurk) these forums, too.

You seem VERY defensive, btw. I'm just trying to share some advice. Take it easy.

 

Yeah, yeah, make a slur against my motivations, nice for you.

It's for gaming, not benchmarking.

The games run 1.x times faster on SLI, or haven't you heard this??

Your advice is baloney

I'll have none of it, thanks.

I don't care what you think of my response, I'm countering your mis-information - for the people that might want SLI, and would be swayed just that little bit hearing your inexperience.

 

If you can afford it, then buy it. So the real question is "what's the REAL price?"

 

How is reporting micro-stuttering and other SLI issues, which do IN FACT exist, misinformation?

Also, SLI in notebooks is a bit different than SLI in desktop. There are no "high-bandwidth" bridge connection upgrades.

 

Here we go again.
But yeah, SLI is rather pointless. Been there done that. Still doing it on a work system (P870DM-G and an Aurous) and it causes a lot of issues. Specially with VR and a lot of other major titles.

 

Have you confirmed that all the SLI pins aren't connected in the new Pascal laptops that have SLI?

I haven't heard either way, but I have faith that the engineers know enough to wire them up for best performance.

It's a non-issue.

That part, I can wait to hear

I'm gonna watch the new Pascal laptops ship and prove themselves before deciding which way to go... at least I'm gonna try and wait

The MSI GPU upgrades with the 1080/1070 are plenty fast at up to 2x performance improvement, and are very attractive to get right now.

Wait 9 more months??

 

If they upgrade this year, they'll just want to upgrade again next year, you'll see. May as well save up and get a better rig. 980M SLI is still powerful.

 

Looks, we are just all stating our opinions.

I would wait for the benchmarks but the pics from the P870DM2 dont look like HB bridge.

 

Nvidia is not going to leave the most important segment of the laptop market to hold, with no new toys, for very long. Next year? Madness.

We've been hearing talk of a 1050 and 1050 Ti (obviously 960M and 965M successors) for many months. They won't be lagging far behind.