Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

I highly doubt it's a high-bandwidth bridge. Manufacturers don't put the "best" in their products (by default). They put what's "good enough" and competitive with cost in mind.

They may switch to HB connections when 4k at more than 60Hz becomes a common theme for laptops.

 

Yeah, that makes sense...

You are forgetting the new motherboard chipsets, new memory and storage, new CPU's, and whatever comes over the next year to work into the 2nd gen Pascal or first Gen Volta.

For 10nm GPU/CPU, I will be surprised if it's here and shipping in 9 months, more like 12-18 months.

2nd Gen Pascal with Series 200 CPU in 9 months is more likely, and that will only be an incremental upgrade.

 

Thats more related what I was talking about. I dont think I saw massive improvement on single flex bridge but I believe its different with dual flex or hb.

 

Volta (aka. socket change) isn't until 2018.

 

It's a wider cable, nothing more, it's not magical pixie dust, for which there are export restrictions

It would be silly and totally unexpected for Pascal SLI in laptops to not completely wire up the SLI bridge to the maximum performance.

They are only going to get one shot at this, all the SLI laptops will be "going for broke".

That's us going broke paying for them...

Exactly, it's not gonna happen in 9 months, and there is nothing "more special" than what is coming out right now on the horizon.

An incremental upgrade, with more PCIE lanes, and better RGB lighting effects to look forward to in 9 months.

 

It's far more than an "incremental upgrade." Mobile GPU's this year are all GDDR5 (with the exception of one or two laptops housing the FULL desktop 1080).

Next year will surprise a lot of you, I guess. The next Titan will even have HBM2.

 

We rode the 980m/970m SLI train for a loooong time. I think we can limp along with 1080/1070 SLI until Volta.

Watch the video I posted, he tried HB configuration - both SLI connections - with flex bridge and it performed just like the new HB bridge.

It's not magic, it's a wider cable with 2x the wired connections between the GPU's.

Faster memory won't affect performance that much, not 2x like the Maxwell to Pascal improvements.

Incremental upgrades, more costly components, the usual we saw for years until recently.

Upgrade now, this is that once in a decade juicy 2x GPU performance upgrade we long for, and to skip it and wait another 9 months is unthinkable.

 

That's not the only thing that's changing... But a new memory type allows them to add more CUDA cores because it will require less voltage.

They may be able to increase the amount of CUDA cores next year, which would nearly double the performance of current Pascal GPU's, making them up to 4x faster than Maxwell.

 

New article on videocardz
http://videocardz.com/62955/clevo-preparing-p870dm3-g-a-dual-geforce-gtx-1080-gaming-laptop

Edit: Seems we knew / saw most, if not all, of the contents already at some point here

 

I've also heard most 1080 reviewers conclude that SLI is just not worth the cost unless you bench excessively. Gaming felt unsmooth, usage often sucked and Vulkan based games plainly don't support SLI or Crossfire yet. Glad if you make it miraculously work to a satisfactory level for yourself, but from a neutral perspective it's probably not worth it.

 

You seem extremely convinced of SLI, yet after all I read you're the one spreading mis-information... SLI has been great but as of late due to missing support from the developers it seemed to be left behind, and you can't deny that. With a few exceptions SLI sucks in games, that's the general consensus, and you shouldn't get the hopes of other people up by making them believe it's worth the 800+ bucks they're gonna pay for a second card.

 

Interesting. That says the 1080 has GDDR5 and not GDDR5X like the desktop card. So, this isn't really the desktop card?

If they just removed the "M" from the name and did nothing else...

 

I'd not be surprised if the mobile 1080 comes only with regular GDDR5. . . Yet a bit disappointing it it were so.

 

Yeah, well, that's nice and all, but I'll take the 2x performance now rather than the hope of 2x more performance 9 months from now.

That's a long time to wait for another release, bug fixing, stability, etc, would make that 1 year out in total.

If another 2x performance upgrade is available in 12 months it will look like the right thing to do then.

By then the DX12 / Vulkan / VR multi-GPU stuff should be rolling out all nice and ready to reap the benefits in new games, enough to enjoy on 1080 SLI, and wait for 10nm.

Wow, gaming felt unsmooth in 1 new game - not finished - still in development, and you want to ignore the 100's of other perfectly smoothly running games available for SLI.

Me thinks you are overthinking yourself into a corner of nothing fun.

From the perspective of pessimistic fail before trying method of life, everything is failure, nothing is success - because success is unthinkable.

If you go into it with a positive attitude, do your homework, find good games that scale well, find good hardware proven to work together "without micro-stutters", learn to tune and tweak your hardware basics to optimized perfection, gain control over your hardware and software resources, then you are going to succeed.

Look for and pursue success factors and you will eventually succeed.

It's a skill set that applies across all areas of life, not just getting good performance from an SLI setup

If someone has enough expertise to be confident enough to buy a 1080/1070 SLI laptop, I believe they are smart enough to do the research to make their own decisions. I trust they will also know how to deal with problems along the way to get things running as they want it to run.

That's not something you need to worry about

 

Never trust a Clevo manual...

Spoiler

 

@Prema a hint for the price?

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Trust me, I've been there, done that, never again. In some cases you can tweak as long as you want, if the game doesn't support multi gpu setups well it's Sisyphus' work. Look at Doom 2016 and Just Cause 3. UE4 games. I know tweaking can make some games run smooth with good utilisation across all cards, but many games will frustrate you, leaving you questioning yourself why you just dropped 3-4k Euros when it doesn't provide you with the performance you expect from the hype you are spreading. Again, if you manage to put up with it and make it run for yourself I'm happy for you. If nvidia and game devs get their act together and step up their multi gpu support, I'm definitely willing to change my mind, but currently users are best advised to be sceptical about whether (Pascal) SLI is worth it.

 

Check my signature for pricing details.

 

... Can't tell if that's a joke because of "Everything has a price" or because it links to your donation page.

 

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Lol I did mean the whole quote, I just stopped after the first line haha. How often do the Clevo manuals change before releases in your experience?

 

GTX 1080 SLI, "only" $5000dll
http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gt83vr-titan-sli-024.html

 

When it comes to SLI I'm very torn. Kepler era SLI used to work alot better and I loved the experience. Less frame pacing issues and more support. I certainly didn't enjoy the Maxwell SLI experience myself - 120fps in SLI felt like 70 in single GPU, but I wouldn't rule it out as a technology simply for benchmarkers. And no it's not for 'bragging rights' @J.Dre, although I know your advice is coming from a good place it's not entirely sound. How's someone going to power 4k?

I'll still likely go for the most powerful single card I can shoehorn in my Clevo unless I hear some good reports on SLI from experienced members on this forum (not Linus )

I think for 1080p 120hz and single 970 is going to be delicious. But for those with 4k..gonna need more HP.

 

Pascal 1080/1070 SLI will run the same games as my GT80 SLI-263 980m SLI, except faster, and hopefully fast enough @ 4k to go 60 fps or faster.

That's good enough for me.

As to the games that don't scale, not a problem, I will run them on 1 card that is faster than my previous 980m SLI at it's SLI best - without SLI.

As to the UE4 games, if they don't run on Windows 7/8.1, I'll ignore them or if they are worth it, I might get a new Xbox One S to play them.

And, if the new DX12/Vulcan/VR multi-GPU API's come through with scalable games, then I can play those on both GPU's, or just one.

Either way, it's at least as fast as a single 1080/1070 GPU on all games, but for 90%+ of all my current games + some of the new ones, SLI works just fine.

 

85% of the games I play make good use of SLI. I hear people always saying its crap, but I have had a positive experience. DX12 games are a little shaky, but new dev kits from MS is making it very easy for developers to implement explicit multi-gpu support. Even the Vulcan API is focusing mainly on mutli gpu support for its next version. I see a rough start for DX12 games, but will get better soon. All other big games this year will support it, such as Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, no mans sky, call of duty. I'm also hoping gears 4 works with it, but I wouldn't count on it being that its on the MS store.

 

This sat in the mod queue for a bit but I just approved it.

5000 for SLI 1080 doesn't sound bad when it's coming from MSI...

 

Hey, it comes with *Free* Fedex Ground shipping!!

As Ethrem say's it's not bad for MSI pricing. The last GT80S 980 SLI model went for $4500+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154033

So "only" $400-$500 more for top tier 1080 Pascal SLI sounds like a bargain.

Are you suggesting that arguing over the merit's of Yacht's outside our financial reach is a waste of time??

 

I'm curious about the 6920HQ and how it can hold up two 1080s.

It also has a CM236 chipset - http://ark.intel.com/m/products/90593/Intel-GL82CM236-PCH#@product/specifications

Honestly for 1TB worth of NVMe RAID goodness, 64GB of RAM, 460W worth of PSU... This machine could really be considered a bargain for MSI.

 

About SLI:

It's great except no software can use it except for games, when writing games and software it's actually complicated to make them run on SLI cards, and they are quite expensive.

If bought only for gaming, SLI is a treat. If one needs to do work, it's really not fun.

Quadro cards usually don't come in SLI. I'm not sure if they can work in SLI at all.


And price is really good for a MSI on those specs lol.

 

Yeah, it's a "Full Boat" configuration at that, really nicely optioned.

I hope that 2 x 230w power spec for this GT83VR is an error / typo.

The GT83S 1080 SLI was getting the 2 x 330w power, and the GT73S 1070 SLI was getting the 2 x 230w power according to the one article that released the 2x power adapter info.

The Customize section shows 330w for "2nd" Power Adapter, so that suggests this GT83VR does come with 330w and supports 2x330w... it's worth asking XoticPC before ordering, and optioning up to 2x330w if it doesn't already come that way.

 

Yeah I was curious about that too but 460W sounds like it should be plenty for a fixed TDP chip and two 1080s. I mean I've got a 4940MX and even SLI 880M @ 1.2v just barely overloaded my 330W power brick (it was good until I benched it with 3DMark11) and those 880Ms along with even a stock 4940MX can really pull the wattage... I didn't have a kill-a-watt with the 880Ms but my system at stock pulls 340W under 3DMark11 combined test, occasionally 350W. The 4940MX isn't shy about power consumption.

 

Nvidia Quadro Multi-GPU Technology:
https://www.nvidia.com/object/multi-gpu-technology.html

Maximus - Quadro + Tesla
http://www.nvidia.com/content/quadro/maximus/lenovo/maximus-lenovo.html

Quadro SLI
https://www.nvidia.com/object/sli-certified-systems-and-motherboards.html

Quadro landing page with links to the above:
https://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro.html

 

It's too early to tell what is enough with OC'ing, I don't mind the extra weight of the 330w vs 230w PSU.

And, "maybe" a lightly loaded backpack tote of a single 330w will be enough for light use on the road - maybe need to test / detune to keep power under a single 330w without a surprise BSOD.

That's the only drawback I can see, I do take it portable, and trundling around a gaffers delight of cables and PSU's to power it all is a bit of a drag.

The Customize section shows 330w for "2nd" Power Adapter, so that suggests this GT83S does come with 330w and supports 2x330w... it's worth asking XoticPC before ordering, and optioning up to 2x330w if it doesn't already come that way.

 

GDDR5X for the 1080s in that GT83VR... Typo???

 

Hey, nice catch, was too busy posting to deep dive into the specs / customization, but there it is:

" Graphics Controller:
Dual NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080 (16.0GB total) GDDR5X in SLI (Pascal) w/ Optimus Technology
NVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology
PCI-Express™ 16X
Microsoft® DirectX® 11"

Optimus Technology???? Aye yi yi!!!

Gonna have to do some more reading of those specs and marketing floss, Optimus and G-sync aren't compatible - one negates the other. Optimus also disables VR capabilities. When GPU output routes through the Intel iGPU Nvidia looses control of those features.

Many q's about the solidness of this GT83VR listing... @pat@XOTICPC - response?

Update: The overview marketing info doesn't mention Optimus, maybe someone copy / pasted too much generic info over to the specs - mention of Optimus should be removed - and addition of DX12 to the DX11 spec should be added.

 

Hey, manufacturers and resellers: while it's fantastic you get keep letting the cat out of the bag early for notebooks with Pascal GPUs, can you please start letting slip details on notebooks that aren't ridiculously high end? Preferably something with a 1060 inside. Thanks!

And in other news... MSI somehow can't manage to make a new $5000 notebook support HDMI 2.0?

 

1080SLI in a P870DM2/3

And the heat plate+pipes
Ps1: under load, P870DM draw 438 watts.
Ps2: P775DM has the same kind of card


Boring boring Chelsea

 

That xoticpc page is gone. Anybody got any chance to see more than gt83?


Boring boring Chelsea

 

I did look for the GT73 there too, but no page came up for it.

 

Still 1080p panel for 18.4 inch with gtx 1080s in sli?? thaats wayyyy little now. Will gt83 take full use of dual psu 2x330watt? Also I Just read an article about asus gx800 with ips 18.4 inch screen with 4k panel with gtx 1080 gddr5x Sli.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/asus-rog-gx800-review

Scroll down below the page. Earlier it says gtx 980 sli but Asus now upgraded to gtx 1080 gddr5x sli and 18.4 inch 4 k Ips/Pls Panel.

 

The 17.3" panel offerings are coming in thick on the ground, but the 18.4" are limited to 1 offering, noone is making new 18.4" panel configurations.

It would be nice to get an 18.4" => 20" 4k panel to compliment the 1080 SLI, but for now we will have to live with external 4k/5k monitors, and enjoy 1080p @ 18.4" on the road.

Asus was always hinting that their latest laptop offerings were really meant to deliver Pascal, but with the Nvidia NDA in effect for mobile Pascal, it's just not possible to fully list the eventual specs.

 

Definitely not a typo, GDDR5X is mentioned in the specs and also pumped up as a big deal on the description page.

 

is 4999 USD the base price? or with ssd and ram added in?

 

It's the price with 2 SSDs, 1 HDD, and 64GB RAM already added in.

 

I love how the vram of SLI systems still gets added up as if you could actually use it independently... Shameless marketing tricks. Also Optimus must be a joke, if Optimus handles the HDMI output I wish everyone good luck with 4K gaming

 

Good thing is mobiles are seeing the latest tech, G5X is amazing in this form factor but the gimping of the DT GP104 core is pretty bad, and no one will ever knew that happened because of the marketing ploy of dropping the M and calling them desktop chips, the 1070 on the other hand has higher core count than the DT 1070, Super confusing as hell.

Optimus with mux maybe like the M18x / Aw18's ? If It's going BGA era Alienwares way then they are just worthless, I don't know how MSI handles Optimus craptech at all..

 

Google translate isn't brilliant at Chinese:

http://toutiao.com/i6315569714164662786/

"Finally, a GTX 1080 SLI pager power map, you can see P870DM2 pager consumes 437.3W, far more than ordinary notebook 100-120W, or better, than the vast majority of desktop power according to the users described themselves also uses two 330W power supply in order to suppress the beast."

"GTX 1080 could see the mobile version of Master Lu score of 24 extreme, the equivalent of the desktop GTX 1070 allegedly GTX 1080 This is mobile version of the single card performance, not SLI results, wait until the actual driver updates should be more than the score ."

 

Now that it turns out a gddrx5 will in the 1080 surprisingly. There's still hope of surprise of a 1070 in a 14" right? (Ssshhhh!!! Don't crush my dreams. Not just yet)


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the gtx 1070 will also not be typical mxm right?