Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

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Or in case also that would go down:

Spoiler: MSI GT83VR Titan SLI

This is quite interesting, I believe the first performance info we've got about notebook GTX 1080:

 

Is there a 14" with 980m? I haven't found one, so sorry buddy but I really, really doubt we will see 1070 on 14". I wish we would - I'd be a customer too

 

Yeah, don't expect desktop 1070's in 13" and 14" laptops, lol.

 

10 pages in the single day I was gone, and so much info. Nice.

 

Hi guys.
Im new from here. Im interested in a new laptop.
Do you think that with 2200 dolars i can get a asus with a gtx 1070 and 512gb ssd?

 

Still no info about the price of 1070 laptop.

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It is better wait. I want a asus laptop, with 512gb ssd and 32gb of ram. I dont know if the gtx 1060 model have that. I also thinking in take one with 980m

 

I dont think you will get it for that Price but we will see, just dont buy anything right now

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question is gtx 1070 is it even mxm 3.0b form factor??

 

MSI's one will be for sure.

 

MSI 1070 MXM3.0b exists because of the GT80 980M SLI machine, with their upgrade policy. As "some of us" had expected because of the leaks / MSI promise / TDP / 980M successor, this is confirmed.

Spoiler

Follow the P870DM2/3 thread for more info on Pascal and DTR scene

Spoiler: I'll leave this here too...

Now I'm thinking about putting that wicked thing into the M18x R2 - 39xxXM + 1070 SLI ? Where are you BGA overlords ? and Mr. Frank you can leave Alienware now with your Echo bullcrap lineup and that stupid new Aurora.

Also lets smoke that X-Box Scorpio !!

 

If the 1070 SLI cards are truly mxm 3.0b and work in the M18x, then I'll be buying four. Two for me (P870DM) and two my friend will buy for the M18x.

 

I was exactly pondering the same thing for my m18x r2 @ssj92 lets see how it goes and if the prices of the cards are within 600 to 700 usd

 

Honestly, if Alienware redesigns the Alienware 13 to support a quad-core and a GTX 1060, I think it would be a "decent" 13" gaming laptop.

I hate BGA as much as the next guy, but let's be real... The 13" gaming laptop market is not that impressive. In fact, if they are able to do this, I would consider purchasing it as a portable gaming solution for myself, just to hold out until I finish college (along with a decent desktop). A dual-core is FAR too weak to support a 1060, though. So, that's where I draw the line.

It will be an interesting month!

 

$2200 might be possible for the cheapest 1070 laptop so most likely with a small ssd like 128go. 512gb ssd probably an extra $500 I think. But again it's just a guess.

 

My guess on pricing is as follows (as base configurations with a single-GPU because companies love to overcharge for upgrades):

1060M/1060 laptops start around $1199-$1299.
1070M/1070 laptops start around $1499-$1599.
1080M/1080 laptops start around $1999-$2199.

Again, with minimal specs. I'm assuming they'll easily go up several hundred dollars from there.

 

I don't think that makes sense. The 980m started around 1900ish and the 1070 is the replacement for it. The 1080 is going to be like the 980 which starts more in the 2500 dollar range.

Your pricing in my opinion would be a price drop at each tier, which I find extremely unlikely from nGreedia.

Edit: that being said I hope your right lol.

 

I've seen only one thing.

That the MSI laptop will feature optimus on 1080. Totally lost my entire interest in MSI, it's Acer and Clevo now

 

Why not have optimus if you can?

 

Writen a few pages back

it increases both present and render time, adds complexity to the path of the information, decreases performance on GPU processing.

Practically makes everything worse for free!

Optimus is the death of laptops. some software needs special flags to enter GPU processing route, flags which are backwards to set sometimes, and all performance is decreased significantly.

 

These sound way too optimistic.

Not sure about how much of this is due to US vs Europe pricing differences, but here in EU it could be more something like this (also min-specs):

GTX 1060 notebooks start from ~1,600 EUR
GTX 1070 notebooks start from ~1,900 EUR
GTX 1080 notebooks start from ~2,500 EUR

 

My guess on prices in USD:

1060 - 1500-1800$
1070 - 2100-2500$
1080 - 2800+$

 

Errr an SLI machine would have to be able to disable optimus when running two cards, it would just be on the go when you need a bit of extra battery life.

Honestly you are all working yourselves up far too much and need to calm down and think things through.

 

My guess on prices in USD:

1060 - 1500-1800$
1070 - 2100-2500$
1080 - 2800+$

 

Man, everything is perfect for me, but no optimus.

I'll hate that to the end of the earth. It's useless on a power machine. Really bad.

What's even worse is that on most machines it can't be disabled. That is the problem. If we can disable optimus, it's ok.

 

XMG Germanys 300€ Maxwell GPU sale is only until 11th August ... hmmm

 

Thanks for all the posts and discussion here.

... but shows just 1 power port

Agreed.

So far as I know, Optimus introduces too much latency to be VR Ready. Likewise, G-Sync requires the display be connected directly to the dGPU with no Optimus routing through iGPU. I'd love to see the battery life and transcoding efficiency Optimus brings plus the option to enable a gaming GPU that's VR Ready, but it seems unlikely. Can't have it all. Perhaps if different displays are connected to different GPUs, maybe multiplexed?

At 12lbs with dual power adapters, I wouldn't think of this as portable so much as occasionally transportable / luggable.

Overall, the ad looks like an early draft, work in progress. It's encouraging and fun to imagine, but nothing to count on.

 

I believe that a separate adapter merges the power supply from the two PSUs into a single cable - hence the single power port.

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This is pretty much spot on accurate.

 

I never dream a 970m would be in a 14" either. I thought that was the new trend. One can dream.


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There is very little gain in battery life from Optimus. They just feed it to laptops because it's funny to lie. Optimus is not only flawed, but a real bad egg.

Let's put this hypothetical situation. Let's say I need to use iGPU. Why not include a simple button or let me use only igpu after a restart? Why have a thing that is prone to failure?

optimus induces enough latency to be visible in 24fps - movies and anime, it results in a choppy playback. Anything that would be fluid in igpu will be fluid in optimus, anything that would not be, results in a delayed frame. Very visible with things where the processing is around 16 ms, it results in either delayed or dropped frame, but no software can detect that since the frame leaved the GPU perfectly.

 

It's going to use a mux, not Optimus, that's the only way to have SLI so stop worrying about it. It will either have a mux or it won't have iGPU at all.

 

Notice the little "M" I put there? I'm not talking about the desktop cards. There will be mobile cards, too. I'm sure the desktop cards will be more expensive.

Tech is always much cheaper in the USA than in the EU. Around 20% less expensive on average.

 

It's not likely that there will be mobile (aka 'M') variants of the 1060-1080. I mean, why make a 1080M when the 1080 already has thermal performance approximately equalling that of the current 980M?

 

Optimus can gain you hours of battery life and I have not seen evidence of poor video playback.

I have personally used optimus based machines with no issue and I am pretty sensitive to input lag.

It might be more suitable to collect the information you have found into a new thread where it can be looked at.

 

There are no M cards JUST LET IT GO ALREADY MAN.

 

I just used the M to signify mobile.

There will be both variants, just like there was a 980 and 980M. They will be identified as "mobile" and will not be a full-pledge desktop variant, but will perform similarly to their desktop counterparts.

Only a select few notebooks will have the actual desktop card (like the 980 in the P870DM). These new notebooks will come out this September.

 

No way they'd sell a 1060 1070 1080 and 1060m 1070m and 1080m. That's way too confusing with too many tiers. A 1070m would probably be almost the same as a 1060 etc, which would just make no sense. Plus many of the power users here who have actual connections have all but confirmed there is no more mobile. There could still be a 1070m, but if there is there would not be a 1070, it'll be one or the other.

 

I like how you use 'there will be' - have you got insider info, or, to use the common phrase, are you talking out of your arse?

 

I've seen the new notebooks coming this September in consumer hands that will support the new desktop cards - actual new models.

They are not dumping all notebooks and putting desktop GPU's in every gaming laptop on the market. The new "mobile" GPU's don't have the M anymore but are still the same M series card we'd expect.

 

But you haven't seen the notebooks with the 'M' cards that, you claim, exist. So you only have one part of the picture. The general consensus in this thread is this:

The three high-end GPUs for notebooks (GTX 1060, 1070 and 1080) will be desktop-class GPUs with either a slightly different core count or a lower core clock.

The mid-range GPUs (GTX 1050/1050 Ti/1055) are a bit of a question mark - nVidia may or may not make these GPUs 'M'.

The three low-end/entry-level GPUs will probably be low-end Pascal or re-branded Maxwell, and will be 'M' variants.

 

Spoiler: Look at the size difference of the new socket for the actual DESKTOP card

It will look a lot like this once Pascal is fully released:

1060
1070
1080

All of these will be in very few specific 17" - 18" models of notebooks in a similar form factor as the 980 (see spoiler).

Then there will be these (possibly without the M, but signified with a "mobile"):

1040M
1050M
1060M
1065M
1070M
1080M

Which will replace the existing mobile cards in all other notebooks that cannot support them.

Note: They may drop the "M" and just put "(mobile)" around them in listings... Not entirely sure how that's going to work.

 

I shall let @Prema debunk your claims.

 

The ironic thing is, the new "M" series is supposed to be released after the desktop mobile variants (Q4). So, it's possible he hasn't even heard of them or had experience with them just yet.

Just wait for the launch of the new notebooks at the end of this month and next month.

 

Wait, you expect us to believe that you know what Prema doesn't? Come on, stop pulling our legs, man.

 

Where did I claim that? I don't know what he knows. I just know that NVIDIA is not going to ditch support for small form factor notebooks because they are the most profitable products on the market. Not everyone buys 17" and 18" laptops with desktop GPU's in them. This forum makes up maybe 3% of the actual gaming market around the world.

The ASUS Zenbook with the 940M is one of their best selling Zenbook's. Not to mention all of the other 13"-15" laptops with the 960M and 965M on the market.

Do I like this? Not at all. I want them to stuff all desktop cards in laptops.

 

What would a 1080M or 1070M even be, after the release of the 1070 and 1060, when these two GPUs have nearly the same TDP as the 980M and 970M?

Use your brain for a minute, before you answer this question.

 

In what world is this true?

 

You do realize the TDP for the desktop 1060 is 120W, right? The Alienware 13 (one example of several notebooks on the market) supports the 960M with a TDP of 75W.

I don't know what the specs will be, but I know there's no way in hell all of the 13"-15" laptops will magically support desktop GPU's.

 

There will be gpu's for systems like you mentioned but I doubt they will be "M" counterparts of the same products in the high end laptops.

Perhaps they will use their 1040 and 1050 codenames.

That would cause wayyyyyy too much confusion IMO.