Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

But the TDP of the notebook 1060 is 75 W. Have you even been reading the posts here?

 

If they use the same form factor as the P870DM's 980 for the rest of the Pascal "mobile" desktop cards, they simply won't fit in notebooks smaller than 17".

 

According to leaks - 1080 TDP = 125 W, and 980M TDP is the same, right?

 

That's because it's really just a 1060M without the M! That's what I've been trying to say this entire time.

It's probably a gimped version of the 1060 thrown in the laptop. Still impressive but not a full-pledged desktop 1060 (like the 980 is inside the P870DM).

 

They are not really meant to fit in smaller notebooks, those cards. Speaking about the 1070 and 1080, perhaps the 1070 in a 15" at the most.

You'll be seeing 1050's in 13-14" models I suspect.

 

That doesnt mean their thermal characteristic is the same at all......

Probably different thermal resistance values.

 

No, it's not a 1060M without the M. It's a downclocked and binned 1060. Which makes it, physically, a 1060.

 

15" notebooks have been supporting desktop GPUs for years.

These GPUs are not running at full desktop TDPs. How have you been in so much of this thread, yet you can ignore the basic facts of the situation?

 

MSI GT73 is meant to feature SLI, now it can't be better than the GT83. I'm guessing the SLI GT73 will hold GXT1070m's. This is purely my opinion, time will tell


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Been fun debating this but I made plans, so I have to jet. We'll know the first week of September for certain, and maybe around August 19th (for the announcement).

PAX West is going to be fun.

 

speaking of msi gt73, this just came up on a canadian reseller for msi

http://pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=489776

i've been watching this space keenly. my msi e7405 gave up the ghost 4 months ago after it caught fire, been working off a slow as molasses acer one netbook since.

it's amazing how much more powerful my smartphone is compared to that netbook.

 

It could be the same number in US.

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I own an Acer V7-791G right now. Enough said about making a thread or getting my problem checked.

When I sent Acer Romania an email about all those problems, they just answered that if I feel it's not good I can send it to them to get it checked. nothing else.

Probably when I'll own something better, it will be better implemented as well. Just know that recommending optimus to exist is not good. Plus, when I get a Clevo, I won't expect any battery life from it, just enough to let me save my work. It has a 6700K GPU either way.

 

That's because the 960m will equal the 1050 anyway, the 1060 would equal the 970m tier wise. The tdps are in fact reduced, but the chip is identical. The core count is the same they are just clocked lower. A 980m isn't a 980 because the core count is different, while the 980 mobile is a 980 desktop as they are the same chip just with different clockspeeds and vram.

Optimus existing is a great thing. But not for the highest end enthuasists. Optimus on like an XPS 15 is a positive for like 90+% of users.

 

Oh' yes. Just cripple the clock speed and TDP And fully lock everything

 

Awful lot of bickering for an awful lot of speculation.

 

I can totally agree with that XD

I just wish they would let me take that thing out from my actual laptop.

I mean, the level of problems this feature induces, it should be advertised on which laptops it can be deactivated and on which it can't, because before buying my laptop I made a ton of market research, and it wasn't written anywhere what to expect about optimus. everyone kept silent and said it's magical and that it works wonders.

I clearly understand that for a 15" laptop, and one that is an ultrabook, this feature can be a little wonder. but now when I need a workstation, this is when it is not fun.

 

And the same rambling happens again and again.. Prices, availability and what's coming in each model, you can not do much with!!

 

It's usually the most outspoken ones whose prediction's fall flat on their asre

@Ethrem was pretty on the money a while back. Pascal is a blast furnace and cooling is an issue.

 

Da, everyone loves those high clock speeds, but all that clock speed will produces even more heat.

 

edit....sorry OT whats the estimated realaaese date of 1070m

 

You can just stop right now. I'm not going to clean up another mess without warnings going out.

Nobody who has all the facts is allowed to share them at this point, everything is rumor, speculation, and leaks. Until the day the NDA is lifted, nothing is set in stone and as history shows, not even at that point is everything set in stone.

 

Just another week or 2 bois. Contain those dongers until then.

 

I hope there will be a decent 13"-14" with a 1050 (or1060 I hope, but its unlikely) that performs like a 970M but gives better battery life.

 

I sincerely hope that we'll see some 14 inchers with well-cooled 1060s inside. It'd be a shame if the best 14" laptops can get with Pascal is just more-of-the-same 970M performance with a 1050. Kinda defeats the point for me, and I'd be prone to just go buy a 14" 970M right now if I knew for sure that the only Pascal cards that 14" laptops could support are 1050s and below.

But I'm not fretting too much, because it appears that MSI does have a 14" laptop with a 1060 in the works - the GS43VR Phantom Pro: http://coretech.co.za/products.php

 

That looks good. I hope they keep the weight below 2kg, thickness 22-23mm and the battery life 30% better than the current GS40 which gets 5ish hours according to NotebookCheck.

They do that, then I'm getting one.

Also, they need a way to keep temps in check - I do not want something I can fry eggs on.

More info on the 1060 and 1070 - sorry if this has already been posetd.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-geforce-gtx-1070-gtx-1060-mobility-benchmarks/

 

Come on guys, relax
There are various ways to play with power consumption of a chip (I'm an electronics engineer and that's my daily routine). No need to fuss about being mobile or being desktop.

Does it perform as expected? Does it cost too much for what it offers? Wait and you will see. If it's not up to someone's expectations, simple, you don't buy it and get something else. Life is short to ruin yourselves on small details

That said, over and out.

 

So basically... You want a system with no compromises. Let me know how that works out for you. At a minimum, it's going to have to be thicker to accommodate the necessary cooling for the chip.

 

More than I wanted to know...

What's a Donger??
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/raise-your-dongers

Spoiler: Dongsquad

 

Long Duck Dong man, long duck d ...
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Fair point. If it is thicker I'm not going to be so fussed, but light weight is important.

 

That one I knew from my youth, I figured the new "Donger" was a more contemporary saying, and then I found the LoL "Raise Your Donger "

Good article on the "original":

Long Duk Dong: Last of the Hollywood Stereotypes?
March 24, 2008 12:00 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88591800

 

I just saw the pictures of the MSI GS43VR from this link - http://www.startlr.com/msi-will-release-a-thin-and-gaming-notebooks-gs73vr-gs43vr/ - and the laptop does not look too thick (<1 inch) to me - though I may be wrong. If they keep weight and temperatures in check, it looks like a pretty good buy for my requirements.

 

MSI has never cooled anything well. They probably make the hottest and loudest laptops.

Maybe Razer can win a fan noise battle.

 

You're joking right? The cooling on MSI's latest laptops is top tier.

 

Nope, not kidding. High 80's is not top tier, in my opinion. With fans so loud it may wake up the neighbors.

Maybe their 18" model cools better but I'm not talking about that.

 

So which specific laptop are you referencing? I reasonably doubt you've been in the presence of every model available.

My GT72 isn't in the 80s, or loud.

 

Anything other than the MSI GT72 and the GT80, among the largest laptops on the market. Those are designed to be desktop replacements.

So, the other few dozen (or so) best selling laptops they manufacture.

 

More Baloney

Spoiler

 

Maybe so. Everyone has to experience it for themselves these days, even if I already have seen most of the new laptops coming out this Fall in person.

You all will like what is presented in the beginning of September. But don't get too excited for a FULL desktop 1060 in any smaller laptops. You will see more eGPU setups with 1080's and so on as well, which I find to be outrageous, especially with the insane price tag they hold.

"Lower the TDP to raise the clock speeds" is NVIDIA's new motto. But it's not the same as the desktop. Similar but not the same.

 

Yeah, I seen'em too, nice photo's some video's, a few descriptions through specs. Took a lot of time to view'em too.

Not as much time as it would take to get access to all of them, install the software to test them, test'em, run'em up in temp till they scream'd.

And, then do it all over again for each any every one of them.

Very dedicated of you.

Where are the video and/or audio examples of those noisy noisy MSI laptops, or it didn't happen

 

Thanks for posting so I don't have to double-post.

You guys should also know the main reason for not hearing anything about a mobile series lineup from NVIDIA is because AMD hasn't even launched their full desktop lineup. It's market behavior holding NVIDIA back, which is why they're launching the "desktop mobile" cards first. In essence, they have to take turns or one may behave similarly to that of a monopoly.

And NVIDIA just released another Titan X for Christ's sake. You really think they won't release two variants of the 1070? They're not afraid to confuse everyone.

 

All the reviews from notbookcheck.net that I've seen on the GE, GS and GP series are always hotter for msi compare to Acer, Lenovo and Asus (by a little margin for Asus) . And I've checked a lot of them as these are the series I was interested in (I can't afford GT series).

 

Nvidia raised the desktop TDP's for the Pascal GPU's, and raised the clock speeds. OC'ing raises the power demands even higher.

The laptop TDP's for the 1080/1070/1060 are all tuned to fit the profile of the MXM cards they are replacing + 10w-35w to gain the headroom needed to meet the higher power and cooling demands of the Pascal GPU's.

Sorry @J.Dre , you need to work on your material

 

Acer and Lenovo aren't top performing laptops.

MSI / Asus shoot for high performance and fit it in smaller enclosures.

Both MSI and Asus let the CPU / GPU run hotter to avoid noisy fans for average use. When the temps kick up high enough the fans kick in higher.

It's not something that can be avoided in any laptop that puts out the same performance, the heat generated needs to go somewhere, and the fans are the only exhaust medium.

You can adjust performance on your own via BIOS or vendor app to some extent, and tune performance via TS, XTU for CPU and MSI Afterburner / Asus GPU Tweak / etc for GPU.

A lot of work goes into making those cooling systems efficient and quiet under normal operation.

Calling out a high performance laptop for it's noisy fans is like calling out a performance car for it's loud exhaust.

You can't have one without the other, but you can tune it to "play nice" most of the time.

If you are looking at Lenovo and Acer laptops, you aren't interested in high performance gaming, or computing.

Nothing wrong with that, but they aren't able to be used in direct comparison to laptops that do something awesome with their components for performance.

You owe it to yourself to save up for an awesome "large" laptop. You'll get the performance, less noise in normal use due to the larger volume components for cooling, and real power when you need it for gaming or work.

 

There will not be anything other than non (m) mobile cards, when are you going to understand that? it makes absolutely zero sense to release a 1070m or 1080m that will in essence be a 1060 and 1070 mobile, it would just confuse people more .

Edit: ok you edited your post, thought you were still holding on to the notion of them following up with (m) cards after they release the "desktop" mobile variants .

 

Everyone getting their panties in a wad about speculation... We will know soon enough. For me personally, I will not buy anything until it's been out for a while and it most likely will not be greater than 1070. I have gone the DTR route and it has served me well. Next time will be something smaller that I can still game on.

 

Seeing how MSI, Clevo and ASUS are taking the high-end desktop GPU route, what do you guys think will happen to the Entry level and low end consumer GPUs? I'm talking about anything below the 965M.
Will they be discontinued after August 20th? Will we see more Maxwell based GPU mobile laptops being sold the upcoming month? Everything seems really vague at the moment and, reading through this thread, no rumors nor leaks were revealed about low end GPUs.

 

Yup.

 

Well, there was this leak back in May - GP107 and GP108 chips should come, eventually:

http://videocardz.com/60289/breakin...rs-confirm-pascal-gp102-gp106-gp107-and-gp108