Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

well i have a ge62 msi laptop with ICD and i get 88c on cpu and 70c on gpu... not top tier cooling and yes the fans are loud

 

Good find. But the real question is: When are these low end GPUs coming?

 

I already said they're launching after the desktop mobile 1060, 1070, and 1080. Should be launched sometime in October.

There will be another lineup going in laptops. Is it going to be named the "M" series? I don't know.

 

Those temps are great, if max under load, nice and cool for such a slim laptop. If the fans are loud, consider elevating the back off the desk, maybe 1-1.5" higher in the back.

That should allow better air flow, and fewer fan noise reflections from the desk top surface back to your ears.

Skinny laptops are all like that, the slimmest are the hottest and loudest.

What wasn't necessary was @J.Dre 's characterization that MSI was the loudest and noisiest, like this was a vendor specific problem. It's not.

Without the volume, mass, and sheer physical area to exchange heat via air, implementing smaller and smaller form factors get hotter and louder.

If you bought a slim high performance gaming laptop and you are surprised it is hot and has high volume air exhaust under load, you didn't think things through before the purchase.

 

There were rumours about maybe having something on the shelves for this holidays buying season (Q4 2016), but these were all just wild guesses.

I think a lot will depend on how successful with be AMD with their notebook Polaris GPUs (RX 460 and maybe RX 470). They seem to target exactly that market niche, and they are ahead of Nvidia with their launch schedule for "replacements of GTX 965M and below" category.

 

Except that my post was related to a previous post saying that msi does not have the best cooling system in general. Your comment about high performance is not relevant as I was talking about a different range of performance.
To make it clearer, for same spec in the mid-range perf with 960m or so msi was behind acer and lenovo by a relatively big margin and behind asus by a small margin.
The fact that msi offers setups with 980s makes no difference.

And for the last part, I don't "owe' it to myself as you pretend to spend more money on bigger laptops. Power is not everything in a laptop. Playing on high at 1080p is enough for me. Not everyone feel the need of ultra 4k gaming.
Not to mention that powerfull laptop are not always cooler than midrange gaming laptop idle.

 

So I guess my friend was wrong then about the August 3rd announcement
But I guess hes right about the part where ASUS will mostly be the first to market with Mobile Pascal cards

 

The next GPUs out will be the 1050 Ti, the 1050, and the 1040.

You're under no NDA, stop acting like you have sauces.

 

Nah, all the vendors have had a ton of time to develop, test, and package by now.

We are gonna get a deluge of new laptops in a short time...

When Nvidia finally announces a release / shipping date

 

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but taking into account its small form factor, the 14" GS40 has been almost universally praised for how superbly it handles heat and fan noise.

 

Who, what?

 

J.Dre, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way at all - I think the issue is that you speak with such absolute certainty on things nobody (except people under an NDA) can be 100% sure about, like when the next lineup of Pascal GPUs is coming out. If you were to present your views as reasoned arguments, instead of as certainties, it'd be more helpful for others in the thread - especially those who are new or just casually reading it and trying to differentiate absolute fact from educated guesses (even well-reasoned educated guesses).

 

90% of the time I am posting on this forum, I am on a cell phone and am unable to type really long, sincere explanations with facts, reasoning, charts, links, etc. I never intend to be offensive or seem like a "smart ass." My posts are simply straight to the point because I am usually on the go and busy working. I'm not some nerd, sitting at a desktop all day, trying to be a "keyboard warrior." It's also why I edit posts a lot because posting on a cell phone leads to a lot of mistakes or auto-correct errors.

Behavioral Market Analysis is my specialty. I've made some people quite a lot of money in the past (on commission, of course). But I understand. My apologies for seeming like an ass. Not my intention at all. I'm probably one of the nicest people you'd ever meet in real life with a very open mind who just happens to be obsessed with markets, technology, and innovation.

No, I'm not under NDA, but I work with people who are or know people who are.

 

OK

 

That's why I never talk about specific work stuff publicly. It's too easy to say more than you mean with simple statements that can be taken many ways.

I don't help out in forums that directly relate to the subjects of my work with clients so as to not work cross purposes to their desire for confidentiality.

Even if I am not under NDA, it's my responsibility to keep the trust of anything said in my presence under the cloak silence for information disclosed during trusted business discussions.

My opinions on things here have nothing to do with my work, clients, or their businesses. And, my public discussions never will.

You might be playing things close to the chest in too open a manner, such that if someone that disclosed things to you heard you discussing them - even generally - in a public forum, they might not be happy you did so and it might affect their comfort level in disclosing information to you in the future.

 

Page 167 of this thread is a good example of my speculation, which is intended to seem like speculation for that very purpose. Can't believe we are already 610 pages in.

 

No worries, I never meant to suggest that you were

I can't even imagine how much bigger this thread will get once Pascal mobile is actually announced!

 

thats cool your all getting along now

 

Not much because this thread will be closed in favor of a new thread.

 

I just want a GTX1070 17'' with GSYNC laptop for less than 2300€
you guys think is it possible?

 

Yes. GT72's will most definitely fit a 1070.

You guys should think of Pascal "desktop mobile" cards as a transition to all desktop cards for when Volta comes out. The PCB is as large as it is now mainly because of GDDR5 and its space requirements. You'll see more and more desktop cards in laptops this year and next year because they're moving toward that with Volta and HBM2.

This year isn't all of a sudden 100% desktop 1060's and up. They're just introducing these variants as a step toward Volta. I don't know if there will be an M series for all of the cards, but GP108 is real.

 

I don't see why not.. I think a mobile GTX 1080 17" laptop should be around that price..

Even if NVIDIA have a monopoly, they can't jack the prices up too much.. People will just go and build desktops or buy a crappy on the go BGA laptop (<$600) + build a desktop..... So I expect prices to higher then when Maxwell laptops came out but by 100-200 euros tops..

 

I was going to suggest exactly that. Good.

 

How about a mobile GTX 1060 or 1070 15" laptop with less than $2000. Is it possible?

 

Should be, but don't expect 512GB SSDs in them.. The reason why we have seen such high prices have been due to huge SSDs... Always better to get the stock config and install your own SSD!

Edit: Install your own RAM, especially higher speed one, as its much cheaper too that way!

 

Nah i only need 128GB SSD or 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM .They are good enough for me ;D

 

You guys are super optimistic, I do not believe we'll see any 1080 equipped laptops under 2600 euro, probably more like 2800-3100 euro .
As for 1070 should be anywhere between 2200 and 2500 euro imo .

 

I'm sure they'll be outrageously overpriced when they first hit the market. At least the 1070 and 1080 notebooks.

 

Who will buy it if it is that expensive.

 

There is Always buyers Always ones who want the latest

sent from Nexus 5X

 

1080 laptops will launch at the same prices the 980 laptops did, in your region. That means ~$3k USD.

1070 ones will be the usual $1.9k to $2.1k USD for the base SKUs.

1060 ones will be $1.4k to $1.6k, just like the 970M launch.

 

Pretty much spot on. BTW no need to guess anymore, leaks are now like everywhere.

Here are examples of real prices:

MSI NB GS63VR 6RF-008CA Stealth 15.6 Ci7-6700HQ 8x2 128+1TB GTX1060 W10 RTL - $1,637.09 USD
http://www.memorydepot.com/detail/GS63VR-6RF-008CA-STEALTH.html

MSI NB GT62VR 6RE-025CADominator 15.6 Ci7-6700HQ 16G 256+1TB GTX1070 W10 RTL - $1,862.69 USD
http://www.memorydepot.com/detail/GT62VR-6RE-025CADOMINATOR.html

MSI NB GT73VR 6RE-066CA Titan 17.3 Ci7-6820HK 16G GDDR5 256G SSD+1TB GTX1080 - $2,936.21 USD
http://www.memorydepot.com/detail/GT73VR-6RE-066CA-TITAN.html

 

It's expensive af

I just hope those prices on 1080 are for 4k screen 17.3".

Anyone else feeling like waiting another few months until the prices come down a little?

 

@Riddhy916 , I think there's no more MXM3.0b, with the MSI 1070 it follows 130W of the 980 card format, Sorry for the overambitious earlier post.

Edit -
I'd blame the Nvidia on this 50% and Clevo / MSI for the 50%, They stopped reference designs and the doom of everything until now happened, for the new machines there are upgrades but with strings attached - GT80 with modfied heatsinks from the GT80S, which has 130W 980 SLIs. P775DM/ZM with Heatsink mods again from the 775DM2, for 870DM if one wants single Clevo 1080 else go for the MSI 1070 SLI, no info on heatsinks here, maybe the 980M ones work with some mods or the new 870DM2/3's heatsinks, IF they fit.

Spoiler

For all legacy machines - M17x R4 / M18x R2 / AW18 / AW17/ P377SM / P570WM ? etc, I guess we are done, SOL.

We can use the 980M to its fullest and then move to the new post MXM 3.0b era.

 

So I've been out of the laptop game for a while, is this real? http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-geforce-gtx-1070-gtx-1060-mobility-benchmarks/

Are there going to be MXM Pascal GPUs, and will they possibly be compatible with my Clevo laptops (P157SM-A and P377SM-A)?

 

You realize those are the prices you pay for 980 equipped laptops in Europe at the moment? about 3000 euro, can be anywhere between 2900 and 3300, with 16gb ram and a 256gb SSD .
As for 980m's yeah they are cheaper now, but they are also 2 years old, any decently equipped 1070 will be north of 2200 euro .
Don't forget we pay 20% VAT on top of US pricing here in Europe .

 

Although I think it would be good to cap it off with some validated user & experience scores after they officially launch.

 

Someone always starts an official thread with all of that and if they don't then I'll do it. I just don't think people should have to sift through over 600 posts for official info.

 

This post is # 6,114...

 

Or put it the other way. We are on page 612

 

That's a good point, was @Ethrem thinking of 600 pages, or 6000 posts... hmmm, it could go either way

And, it's possible @Ethrem was thinking about these very posts as being the ones people shouldn't need to wade through to get to the juicy technical stuff...

 

Actually I was on my phone and left off a 0. Either way, point was made.

 

More like going for cheaper maxwell cards actually. The 960m is droping price atm. Waiting for the 970m do it as well to get one ahahah

 

Maxwell MXM prices may actually go up as they are out of production and the last cards many people can use as simple universal upgrades across the board without having to worry about funky form factors...

 

So the difference in price between in 1060 and 1070 are 200 bucks? So does that mean their performance is similar or it's priced like that "just cause."

 

MSI just revealed the "medium-range" performance laptops in the name of GE62VR and GE72VR.
Are there any leaks about the specs involved in these machines?

https://www.msi.com/news/detail/_64...w2jk7kVwNl0Bg0cl798eB1iuLOVxTNy19p60rHpv_zw~~

 

I was originally thinking of upgrading my laptop with the new Pascal mobile cards (1080 or 1070). But now that it looks like the new cards are no longer in the same size as the previous cards used to be.

If that is really the case, I will be moving to desktop for good.

Right now I'll just stick to my 870M and PS4.

 

I thought new versions would be ge63 and ge73 no ?

 

Nope
Check the article. They kept the same names and added VR as in latest tech involved.

 

Yeah I just read it. I don't really understand the logic specially in terms of marketing with all the new series having the number 3. Does that mean they're not getting pascal card ?

Any leaks on the price ? Because I might be interested if like they say the laptops are 10°C cooler than previous version which was something stopping me.