Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Yes he said that It works, but he didn't explicitly say that the 1070 is coming in MXM 3.0b format, we assumed It's, but as you can see from the DM2 thread's posts It's not the case, the 130W MSI MXM 980 is a bit different than 980M, I think you should have a look at this for more clarity (IV it is, the GT80S cards, Oh yeah btw no power connector on the 1070 MSI cards), It fits the 750DM because the DM/ZM have lil wiggle room on the sides I believe whereas in my machine I don't see it, I don't know much about other MXM3.0b machines though, Looks like 3xxSM series are EOL as well. I think for us we might need some dremeling work with the chassis to fit that.

 

I was a couple hours ago, so I left and came back. It's fixed now, but it was driving me crazy (I was going to say it was driving me nuts, but a particular SpongeBob scene popped into my mind).

 

Every single P37xSM/SM-A machine is out of the picture as well. Look at the second picture in the thread. Zero wiggle room for a non-standard card.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-p377sm-a-with-980m-sli-review-update.764790/

 

Who would've thought that they are going to go wonky with all the cards in future, Except the P870DM, and Clevo failed at that machine as well.

 

Clevo has never really been known to support newer cards though. It isn't an entirely surprising move, it's always been Dell systems that didn't care what card you put in them. Clevo machines won't even POST with most cards they don't have explicit BIOS support for. I discovered that my P377SM-A didn't have that issue though, it even worked with a 260M GTX albeit with a black screen due to no eDP support.

 

I was going to say just that, it seemed as they fixed it in the SM series... but they took it away now. The joy was short.

 

Yeah SM, DM, and ZM all have proper MXM support but it means nothing now and it's not even possible to mod the chassis to make the space. Plus even if it was possible, it would compromise the structural integrity of the machine.

 

Anyone have any idea when the 1050, 1050ti, 1040 etc. will launch? And at what performance points?

 

We're not sure - probably later. The 1050 and Ti respectively, will take the positions and price-points of what the 960M and 965M held; 1040 will probably be called 1040M and be a rebranded, binned and overclocked 960M, aka GM107. We may or may not see GP107 at the lower end.

 

Thanks. I hope the 1050 Ti can perform like a 970M+ while slotting into the 965M's position. And if you are right about the 1040M being a 960M, then soon even lower-end laptops will have half-decent performance, unlike the awful current 940MX and 940M. Still, I hope they do give us GP107, that would be great.

 

I have taken up contact with an independent MXM card distributor. I had been in contact with them before. Perhaps they can shed some light on things and perhaps even an option for a "customised" standard MXM 3.0B board may materialise if enough interest is shown by the community. I suggested this in my email using the mobile 1070 and Polaris 470/80 chips to base a card around.

Let's see if they reply...if a favourable reply is received then I might start a new thread to prompt interest in the project.

 

That would be great. Keep us updated

 

The remaining NVIDIA cards will be launched as soon as AMD does so, which is [rumored to be] by the third week of August. They've just launched the 460 and 470 which is meant to compete with the 1060 and 1070 ( source ). The only thing left is for NVIDIA to gear up - it's their turn.

There will still be a traditional mobile lineup coming. The "desktop mobile" cards are only the 1060, 1070, and 1080 and will not be available in all notebooks which traditionally house cards at that level. New laptops are also coming out to support these cards, so you should just wait and see what happens by September.

It's worth the wait.

 

I'm listening

 

So we can expect the 1060 to perform around or better than a desktop GTX 980? I think that would be a great deal of perf for 1080p laptops and should offer me a good boost over my 970m. Also is the 1060 expected to be MXM or Onboard ?

I know MSI 17" laptops are getting the 120hz 5ms response time screens but not sure about the 15". Sort of a shame if 15" laptops don't get the same love. He'll anything above 60hz would be great.

 

Honestly - how do you say this repeatedly, with such conviction, with no real evidence besides your own word?

 

I don't think it doesn't make sense, but yeah I don't get where his evidence is from as there have been far less rumors about the lower end chips. I think it could easily go either way, the low end desktop chips would probably run on low enough power to pretty easily put into laptops, at the same time since this is the first time they are doing this with desktop chips they could also just not bother on the low end.

 

Let me tell you how it doesn't make sense.

@J.Dre claims this will be the notebook GPU lineup, in decreasing order of performance:

GTX 1080
GTX 1080M
GTX 1070
GTX 1070M
GTX 1060
GTX 1060M
GTX 1050 Ti
GTX 1050M Ti
GTX 1050
GTX 1050M
GeForce 1040M
GeForce 1030M
GeForce 1020M

What I, and everyone else, thinks the lineup will be like:

GTX 1080
GTX 1070
GTX 1060
GTX 1050 Ti
GTX 1050
GeForce 1040M
GeForce 1030M
GeForce 1020M

Now, decide for yourself, based on approximate and leaked TDP values, TMUs/ROPs and core counts of the 1060, 1070 and 1080 - whose list makes more sense, his or mine?

 

Howz about we all wait till the Pascal Mobile announcements starting in 6 days, August 15th-19th ?

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I think we would like a 1080

1070 according to Prema fits the 15" DM model so all ZM/DMs should be able to get a 1070.

Bottom list hands down

 

I tried their GS40. For a notebook touting the GTX 970M, it is light as a feather. 1.86kg, that's even better than the P640RE. Although I think @Mr. Fox wouldn't like it...

I wouldn't mind.

 

The desktop RX480 is performing nowhere near the 1070 and is completely blown away by the 1060.

The RX470/RX460 are well below that, so they can't possibly be meant to compete with the 1060/1070.

 

RX480 competes with GTX 1060

RX470 will compete with GTX 1050Ti

RX460 will compete with GTX 1050

My speculation for the last two but the first one holds true

 

I'm not referring to performance.

The lineup is meant to compete as that from a product lineup perspective (such as a Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla are in the same segment). According to the market, they are competing products.

 

The only factor for comparison is performance, and as gaming benchmarks so far show, the RX480 will be lucky to compete evenly with the 1050/1050ti, the RX460/RX470 below that.

The FE/AIB cards in a line all look the same - 1060/1070/1080, so the "cars" all look the same, the only comparison is with performance.

 

Pretty sure his last comment was implying this:
1080
1070
1060
1050m
1040m
1030m
1020m

He said desktop mobile 1060 and up then still a mobile lineup. He was saying that garbled mess above at first but I think someone finally convinced him that a 1080m 1070m and 1070 and 1080 don't make much sense.

 

For us, yes, performance is the primary factor. But not for a business. And I'm speaking relative to that perspective. It's relevant to product releases.

 

Business people have known about computer performance as a metric for a long time. Getting value for money is the equation.

The decision makers better know, or the companies competitors are going to put them out of business.

 

I never said it wasn't a factor... Please stop jumping to conclusions and taking my words out of context. I'm on a cell phone and it's annoying having to explain every word in my posts, lol.

Relevant to product placement and releases, those cards are competing with the 1060, 1070, and 1080.

 

Performance AND Price determines what competes with what.

 

From all the debate regarding card naming and the fact that @J.Dre is adamant about the "M" series, i am feeling that just like MXM, Nvidia has left it to ODMs to name the cards.
I wouldnt be surprised if we get the exact same cards (abet TDP difference) with and without "M" in their names from different ODMs.

 

NVIDIA launched desktop first, AMD responded. Now AMD has launched the remaining cards to compete with NVIDIA's releases, and NVIDIA can make the next move with mobile. There has to be this "back and forth" in the market because of the legality involved with market capitalization.

 

I only care about the price.

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There is no metric of performance or value that would allow the new AMD GPU's any possibility of competing with the new Nvidia GPU's, and everyone but you seems to know that.

 

Just how businesses operate in this "free market" economy. There has to be competing products in certain segments.

 

There is "no back and forth", there is nothing AMD has released that competes with what Nvidia has released so far.

When Nvidia releases the bargain basement GPU's, then the new GPU's AMD has already released will find competition.

The AMD and Nvidia releases so far are all in a completely different class, and are in no useful way comparable.

 

You clearly do not understand how the business world operates.

Anyway, I'm at the gym. Talk to you guys later.

 

Ah, there it is, there's the problem in your thinking, you are trying to compare when there is no comparison available.

There needs to be a basis of comparison for there to be competition.

AMD hasn't released anything to compare on the same level as Nvidia has released, so far.

AMD's best offering, the RX480, barely performs near the lowest offering from Nvidia, the 1060.

When Nvidia releases the low end Pascal GPU's, then AMD's offerings might be comparable to those new low end Nvidia Pascal GPU's.

Until then AMD and Nvidia are in different non-competing levels of the next generation GPU market.

 

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying about your prognostications, they have no basis in the reality of business world operation.

AMD isn't going to put the 460 / 470 /480 in direct competition with the 1060, 1070 or 1080, because there is no basis for comparison.

 

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Hmm, pretty sure I do understand how it works considering my entire life work has been based on this. Maybe I'm not explaining or "dumbing it down" enough. Either way, it's not worth wasting energy fighting over.

The only thing that matters is NVIDIA can now show off the mobile lineup!

 

It was more like nVidia took the high end and AMD decided either they weren't ready or didn't even want to try and instead tried to take over the budget tier market. The RX480 was not meant to nor does compete with the 1080 or 1070. It even loses handily to the 1060 though they are more even in Vulkan. This launch avoided competition instead of creating it. Fury X vs 980 Ti was competition, not this.

Similar to how AMD has been making lots of apus while intel dominates the cpu market (hopefully that'll change with zen). Though in that case its more that AMD just couldn't keep up with intel. AMD's business decision in the gpu market was to avoid going head to head with nvidia and trying to capitalize on the larger marketshare of lower budget gamers.

 

For them, it's not only about performance in relation to product placement. NVIDIA is unable to make the next move until AMD responds to their initial move. That's how it works in this competitive market. NVIDIA may very well be prepared to release all of their products at once but are not legally capable of doing so without competition. Otherwise, this may lead to monopolization of the market.

It is a shame to see how far behind AMD is, though, relative to performance.

 

What are you talking about???

You may have the marketing processes down correctly, but your data gathering is being affected by your poor judgement, and GIGO is affecting your results.

 

Poor judgement? What, in this discussion, requires any form of judgement to be made on my part?

You seem to not like me and are attempting to start an argument - maybe even enjoy it. But I honestly don't have the time for it.

 

Care to explain where intels competition is then at this point in time? 4th generation, 5th generation, and 6th generation i7, i5, and i3 cpus have been pretty literally unopposed the entire time. The last time AMD had a major release was freakin 2012. Yet intel has released multiple complete lineups. Why wouldn't nVidia do the same? I'll admit they had no incentive to do so when the current cards had no competition prior to AMD releasing the rx series, but saying they legally can't is ridiculous. Comcast has monopolized most of the country in a much more literal sense than nVidia releasing graphics cards, and yet they still exist just fine.

 

Yes, poor judgement in posting these silly prognostications, trying to make market speak for competition that doesn't exist, and trying to compare two product lines that have no performance intersection for comparison.

I don't know you, I only know you through your postings, and it's not that I don't like you, it's that the postings are poorly thought through and easy to dispel.

It's not so much fun as it is me hoping you will catch on and stop posting them once they are clearly shown to be false.

 

Hey guys guess what, Pascal mobile is getting announced next Tuesday, can we keep things chill until then?

 

ARM

 

There really is no performance equivalent, again.

Intel is a unique case. We often joke of how AMD exists only because Intel does. As long as Intel does not surpass the 67% market capitalization "limit," they are able to release whatever they wish. However, AMD's new Zen processors will be competing with Intel's latest, as far as I know.

You can Google more on that. I'm on a cell and can't at the moment.

 

But they hold 88% of the x86 marketshare...

Not yet really a significant player for marketshare in desktops and laptops. Performance and sales aren't in the same league.