Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Ok my computer just started showing signs of its imminent end. Just did an emergency backup. I will be in the States for a conference 2 weeks later, but I seriously don't think I can get a Pascal laptop that soon, and I really need a new laptop asap. And I still need to buy an SM961 and RAM sticks...

And no signs of Kaby Lake yet, but time and tide wait for no man. The wait till NDA end is sure long...

Hadriel

 

For one, limited resources. Maxwell put them far behind in their real cream of the crop with computing cards so they're playing catch up with Pascal and that limits their ability to design new chips. Maxwell still has plenty of room for milking the low end so why waste more expensive silicon? It's not like rebranding old silicon is new. Fermi stuck around until Maxwell...

 

Kaby lake won't be around until at least late fall...don't get were these rumors of it happening sooner came from as every Intel slidedeck or bit of info indicates otherwise. You may be able to get one if they are in fact released next week but I'd keep my eyes open....amazon and Newegg in the US have overnight shipping and will ship to your hotel (just add your hotel to your cards authorized shipping address list).

 

My condolences... A rush order while in the states may be the best solution. Monday we will know more as the first NDAs lift. By Friday, all will be known. If they are on sale immediately with NDA lift, then a three day rush order on the pre-built system might be the best option to get it while here...

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FTFY. The GeForce 920M is still Fermi.

 

IMHO GTX 1060 is way too fast for GTX 1050 to be just GTX 960M. This would leave crazy gap:

GTX 1060 ~= 1.2x GTX 980M
GTX 1060 ~= 1.6x GTX 970M
GTX 1060 ~= 1.9x GTX 965M
GTX 1060 ~= 2.7x GTX 960M

For Maxwells it was:

GTX 970M ~= ~1.7x GTX 960M

So gap in Pascals like this would translate for GTX 1050 to be somewhere between GTX 965M and GTX 970M.

This should be also enough to beat AMD's attempt at capturing this market segment with their notebook RX 460 (which is ~GTX 965M level).

 

It came in Fermi and Maxwell flavors.

That's why I put the 965M first. I think it's much more likely to be around 965M performance than 960M.

 

Fair enough. Nevertheless, it'd still be one hell of a massive jump from 965M performance (~6500-7000 FS scores) to nearly 980 performance (> 11000 FS). That's a 2x gap that didn't exist even between the 960M and 970M.

 

Nvidia doesn't care about the gap though and consumers who care about the gap will either pay more or go without because Nvidia rules the market and they know it.

 

I'm shocked to see how far AMD has fallen behind, at least in terms of performance.

Always expected them to lose the match against Pascal but never by that much.

 

And this will continue http://www.anandtech.com/show/10563...ue-for-the-second-quarter-of-fiscal-year-2017

 

On the other hand, AMD clearly has the upper hand in the computation market.

 

Which is exactly why they are going to milk it.

 

What? In what world is this happening?

 

Don't forget Intel and Nvidia both have something to lose if AMD fails. Antitrust laws would require government intervention and breakup. If you notice, Intel either is having incredible issues at 10nm processes and the new lithography (which is possible as GloFo and TSMC both have 14/16nm processes and will come inline with Intel at 10nm roughly the same time), or they are pushing it to allow AMD a chance to release something that can capture a portion of marketshare. Nvidia seems less helpful. This is in part because they do not believe they will be broken up, but spin off certain divisions which help different market segments. But this would not fix the monopoly and would be foolhardy as potentially causing their own death. So AMD has until 2018 to get the debt paid, have the refresh on ps4 and Xbox one, then the new devices coming out next year, which are large purchase orders and paid for R&D, which helps prop up the company. They said Nvidia borked these contracts by bidding too high, but did they? This may be their way of helping to give a large margin market segment to them without it being seen as a give me due to their APU tech. I believe they also recently signed Nintendo as well, but cannot remember for certain. About that time, Lisa Su separated Radeon off. In the event of the death of AMD on debt obligations, there is a chance Radeon lives. But that also means Radeon needs to be independently viable in some segment and Nvidia allowing some wins, but without being toppled. Not having HBM2 right now and Greenland potentially being released early (in the 4th quarter) and potentially having HBM2, if all rosy rumors are true, could point to this, with a 1080ti in the wings to not give up appearances. But who knows!?! Rambles of a mass man here...

Edit: Intel also now licenses gpu tech for igpu from AMD, not Nvidia anymore...

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Nvidia is competing with Intel in HPC.....

 

Which is why they licensed the integrated gpu patents from AMD, going for some of their integration to help certain systems and others to incorporate into ordering and instruction compute tasks for their phi series. Async AMD has a leg up on everyone, just fail in other areas that matter.

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There's already a GP106-300 (1060 is GP106-400) card out there: 1152 shaders, 192-bit, 3GB GDDR5. Let's call that the GTX 1050 Ti.

The 1050 is rumored to release in October, and Nvidia won't wait long to get it into notebooks. Videocardz says 1024 shaders, 128-bit bus. Unknown is if it's GP106 or GP107.

 

I will be shocked if they release a desktop chip for anything under the 1060. OEMs want a drop-in solution that requires no retooling for their mainstream BGA books.

 

no,that is just gtx1060 3gb version,for desktop and laptop
Asus GL502VM-DB71 ,this laptop have gtx1060 3gb

 

clevo P650RP6 , i7-6700hq and GTX1060
3dmark11 Performance Score is 10712
X score is 4768，only 10% higher then 980m

 

Do you have links? I can only find the Acer one http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11480164, the rest are either MSI, Dell or Razer.

 

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4727401934?see_lz=1

 

I remmeber reading an article saying that nvidia would drop the 1060 3gb and change it to make it the 1050(ti)

 

I hope some manufacturer, takes the cue from Gigabyte's Aero 14 which has sold so well (Maybe Gigabyte themselves, or maybe MSI or someone) and puts a 1060 with an i7 in a 14" chassis and adds a large battery. Hopefully it will be sub-4 pounds.

And before @Ethrem tells me I asking for a machine with no compromises, I'm willing to compromise on thickness. Good cooling would be important, so they can make it a bit thicker to accommodate the cooling solution. But the heaviest they should go is 4.2lbs.

 

Just to clarify my answer regarding the M15x and LVDS support (and keep the mob from raging):

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?posts/10313818

Overall score is mostly due to the CPU, we have to look at the GPU score in order to compare GPUs 1:1:

Spoiler

CREDIT: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4727401934?see_lz=1

 

I think I'm buying the MSI GT72VR - GTX1070 as soon as they release it in Spain (I think this will be 16th Aug).

 

If that's really the 1070, it's a surprisingly good deal considering it has a 256GB NVME SSD.

 

2000 Euros is lower than what I was expecting, and since I'm planning on buying the cheaper 15" version GT-62VR, let's hope for the best ^^ !

For now I'm hesitating between the GS63VR 1060 the GT62VR and a 15" 1080 clevo if that exists ^^

 

we have to wait, maybe the specifications are not right, but for sure it has a 1070, the shop confirmed it

 

That's an even better Graphics score of 13,629

 

True, but it is significantly less (around 4500 points lower) than the 1060D which is almost at par with the 980D.

 

We may see the first of GV100, GV104, GV106, and GV107 as early as next Fall. - Read more

It seems they may be skipping the second generation of Pascal, from what I heard this morning, and milking the first one all the way through Q2 2017. There are rumors of releases of mobile cards with GDDR5X (not only the 1080) sometime around the end of this year. If this is true, they're shoving Pascal out of the way and preparing to launch Volta.

About to lose my mind. This doesn't make sense. ODM's are going to be pissed.

 

It's too early to worry, these are leaked results, wait for release and shipping, and many reports from reviewers and owners from the field before worrying about these numbers.

They may be worse

But, you might as well post links, and compare links if you can make them. So we can see all the numbers from those test runs.

 

Is it because of Vega?
http://wccftech.com/amd-vega-10-gpu-launch-rumor-2017/

 

Very well could be. HBM2 seems to be ready.

What I'm hearing is entirely speculative, but the Ti series cards may be launching Q4 2016 (along with GDDR5X), and then Volta should be announced at GTC 2017 and launched by Q3 2017. If this turns out to be true, Pascal is very short-lived.

I'm honestly having a difficult time believing this.

 

Tbh, I wouldn´t be susprised, seeing that originally Pascal wasn´t even planed in the early roadmap it gives me the impression that Pascal is not much more than a 16nm of Maxwell made just in case AMD was able to do something good while waiting to launch Volta

It kind of reminds me to broadwell

 

Broadwell for desktops was supposed to be released more or less alongside Maxwell 2nd gen, but that obviously didn't happen. Pascal was supposed to have HBM2; that also didn't happen. Maxwell was supposed to already be 14-16 nm - that didn't happen.

One reason to rule them all: quantum tunnelling.

 

So, does the zm use the eDP to LVDS bridge IC or legacy? Or where would I find that information?

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MSI basic article on their new 120hz/5ms/1080p panels, pre-release info on which Pascal notebook models will be getting the new panel.

A GAMING LAPTOP WITH 120HZ/5MS BUILT-IN PANEL
https://gaming.msi.com/article/a-gaming-laptop-with-120hz5ms-built-in-panel

 

I think 120hz/5ms/fhd and GSYNC it's a very good combo.

 

I definitely want one of those displays!

 

This makes me want even more the MSI GT72VR.

 

So, a mobile GTX1060 is slightly faster than a GTX 980M?
Worth to upgrade from GTX 970M?

 

It's equal to or better than a desktop 980, right? Or did I misunderstand something?

Pretty sure it's worth it.

 

I think anything with less performance than 980 desktop or 980m SLI is worth to update.

 

No... The notebook GTX 1060 is around 90% of the desktop GTX 1060, which in turn is roughly equal to GTX 980 performance. It's 30-35% faster than a GTX 980M (equal performance with GTX 970).

 

Any benchmark to support that?

 

3dmark firestrike graphics: 11,955 for GTX 1060 (notebook)

http://www.purepc.pl/notebooki/geforce_gtx_1060_mobile_pelny_uklad_gp106_trafi_do_laptopow

vs 9,675 for GTX 980M:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980M.126692.0.html

 

980 scores 13-14k stock, so I don't see how 1060 notebook is "about" 980 performance. you are talking 1500-2000 gpu score difference!