Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

what is the timezone exactly? must be aligned
I am at +3.00 GMT

 

Eastern standard time is -5.00 GMT, but is currently -4.00 GMT due to daylight savings time...
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/new-york/

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A teaser vid from MSI.

GT73 also SLI??

 

1070 time spy:
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/257880
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/257498
1070 fire strike extreme:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9737814

1060 fire strike extreme:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9714798

MSI GS63VR 1060 fire strike extreme:
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/257965

 

Its a reason why they have literally dumped out GP100, GP102 and GP104 at almost the same time.
Why mobile users now get the FULL GP104 from the get go and not a disabled one which Nvidia plan to top with a full GP104 in 2017 which is the strategy they have used for every single year before. But suddenly they ditched it. The very strategy that led them to a GPU marketshare dominance and record breaking profits.

Pascal is Maxwell 2.0.
Its Maxwell but with really high clocks because its built on a 16nm node that supports it. That and more cores due to smaller transistor size is what Pascal is all about.

Volta is the real new architecture after Maxwell. And Nvidia is eager to get it out as soon as possible because stacked VRAM aka HBM2 will be plentyful and ready for Nvidia in 2017.
So this is why we see the agressive release of Pascal cards now. There is actually no reason for them to even do this since AMD is absolutely nowhere to compete with high end. Yet Nvidia go allin...

The signs are all here. Expect a Volta card, if not several, in H2 2017 sometime

 

Even if AMD is not releasing new cards Nvidia has to release some new ones to restart a new wave of purchase in gaming laptop.

 

Absolutely true but not fully enabled GP104 chips.
That goes against everything they have done in the past

 

So in FS Extreme :
notebook 1070 - 7855 (Fury X level)
desktop 1070 - 8327 (+6%)
notebook 1060 - 5433 (between 970 and 980)
desktop 1060 - 6062 (+11,5%)

Notebook cards are still behind, but gap is unprecedentedly minimal.

 

Now that Pascal is finally coming you guys want Volta...LOL

 

You can never expect the community to be satisfied xD

 

I may wait a bit longer to at least see what comes of it, but I've been living without a gaming PC for half a year and am about to lose it.

 

Someone should start a Volta thread like this one


Boring boring Chelsea

 

So we have 1 year to enjoy P870DM2/3 after spending 4000$ on it? Give me a break nvidia

 

@irfan wikaputra, Pretty much. That's the price you pay for that desire to have the absolute latest and greatest.

I'd start a Volta thread, but everyone would be upset and start hating. Though, I do have plenty to share.

 

6 months before the Kabylake Series 200 motherboard upgrade, and Pascal refresh.

12 months before the Cannondale / Volta upgrade.

 

Well @Prema did say the performance will depend on the chassis. I wonder how will it perform in the P870DM

 

Kaby Lake is essentially Skylake with a tiny boost in clocks. I don't see why everyone is so desperate to have it. It will provide you with a negligible gains in performance.

You should be waiting for (or desperate for) Cannonlake along with Volta. REAL change.

 

By the way, What do you think? 1080 (single) will be compatible with P870DM (980/980M/970M)? Or at least with dual 1070s?

 

Single 1080 because you always have the option to add another, and SLI is problematic with a lot of titles (for now). Unless you just want bragging rights for about a year.

 

It's not like it will just erupt into flames when Volta is available for purchase.

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Well... I'm talking about current/1st gen P870DM which is equipped with 980M, 980M SLI and desktop 980.
The power cable isn't same (1080 has wider one). And I'm 100% sure that it's impossible to put two 1080 into P870DM1 chassis since It's not enough space between MXM slots.
But 1080 or 1070 should fit... Unless 1070 would need power supply cable.

 

Depends on the driver updates...

 

update
MSI GT73VR GTX1080 Time Spy:
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/257586
graphics score is 6900,equal to desktop gtx1080 founders edtion

1070 time spy:
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/257880
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/257498
1070 fire strike extreme:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9737814

1060 fire strike extreme:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9714798

MSI GS63VR 1060 fire strike extreme:
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/257965

 

We just didn't expect it as early as next year if all this talk had truth. But I'm good. I'll upgrade to both generations lol


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I wouldn't worry too much about rumors. It's not like it used to be. Nowadays roadmaps change all the time...sometimes they are adjusted within days of actual releases.

 

Guys, what do you think will be the € gap between MSI GT72Vr and the 73VR? 200-300€?

 

Yep. I work in manufacturing. Delays and changes in launch schedules happen all the time.

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i think it should be around 500-600€
GT72VR 1070 is 1999 €
GT73VR with 1070 sli is 2699 £ about 3130 €
gtx 1070 mxm is 589$ about 527 €

 

If that's the actual gap, too much for me. Then I would stuck at the 72VR.

 

That's a huge gap, lol. I doubt adding another 1070 adds 1000 GBP. If it does, desktop builds, here I come!

Does MSI think all gamers became millionaires this year?

 

Second 1070 will at least add another 700 Euros, is my guess.

 

Rumours have it cannonlake pushed for coffeelake!

http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-...s-mainstream-in-2018-with-coffee-lake-family/

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I don't know about that... It's been almost 2 years since the launch of the 980M. And we have yet to see a full GP100 in gaming cards like Titan or Ti. Seems more likely that the 1100 series will be Pascal v2.0 and Volta gaming will come only in 2018.

More 4K power! Bring it en-masse so that developers start optimizing their UIs for DPI above 100%!
Also yeah, think a Volta thread may be due soon lol. Pascal is old news

 

I'll make the Volta thread soon if no one else does. Oh, and if you do, please make it nice.

 

GP100 on gaming side would bring almost nothing GP102 cant bring.

 

Here's a comparison between 1060, 1070 and 980 all at stock for firestrike extreme:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9776207/fs/9737814/fs/9714798#

Here's a comparison between 1060, 1070, 1080, and 980 all at stock for time spy:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/257880/spy/275804/spy/257965/spy/257586#

I should probably update my gpu drivers...

 

1080 seems to be pretty impressive. Cant wait to see some benches from the P870DM2/DM3

 

M15x actually features a 30 pin eDP on the mobo. Needs the connector soldered on though..not bad the old gal!



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It's a little more complicated than that, not only is the Coffeelake part 14nm, as an extension of Kabylake desktop with 6+ cores possible, it's not meant to replace Cannonlake - the first 10nm CPU:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-...s-mainstream-in-2018-with-coffee-lake-family/

"But 2018 is the year that Intel plans to take its six-core processors into the mainstream, according to another slide leak. Not content with its collection of "lakes," the chip giant will apparently introduce Coffee Lake, another 14nm-based processor family (following Broadwell, Skylake, and Kaby Lake, with Cannonlake slated as a 10nm chip) that will include a half-dozen cores but run more efficiently at 35 watts. "

Intel Brews 6-Core, 14nm Coffee Lake Processors For 2018 Mainstream PCs
http://hothardware.com/news/intel-brews-6-core-14nm-coffee-lake-processors

"What does that mean for Cannonlake? Don't fret, at least for the moment it appears that Intel is on track with its transition to a 10nm manufacturing process, with Cannonlake still expected to replace Kaby Lake in the second half of 2017. The first Cannonlake products will target low-power systems with U-Series (15W TDP) and Y-Series (5W TPD) processors.

Getting lost in all these lakes? Here's a timeline of processor releases starting with Broadwell, Intel's first 14nm CPU:

• 14nm Broadwell (2014)
• 14nm Skylake (2015)
• 14nm Kaby Lake (2016)
• 10nm Cannonlake (2017)
• 14nm Coffee Lake (2018)

There's some overlap with Cannonlake and Coffee Lake, and that's because the latter will target more powerful setups with up to six physical cores and up to a 45W TDP. Though Coffee Lake will be another 14nm release, it will be a highly optimized architecture, presumably with favorable yields (compared to Cannonlake).

We're speculating here, but yields could be the very reason Intel is releasing Coffee Lake. The alternatives would be to be stretch Kaby Lake's lifespan out to power the aforementioned higher end machines, or crank out six-core Cannonlake processors. However, Kaby Lake may begin to feel long in the tooth by the time 2018 rolls around, and getting good enough yields to crank out six-core Cannonlake processors right off the bat could be a challenge. If that's the case, Coffee Lake makes sense."

 

But, if you notice they mention no time frame for cannonlake-s, or bread and butter, so to speak. Without the release timeline of S, we do NOT yet know if it well be 2H 2017, or accompany the coffeelake, nor the chipset required to run, whether sharing that of kabylake or compatibility with the 170 as well. So many questions, few answers. Considering the release of skylake-X and low power cannonlake, they may stage the release of the S series later. Further, they would want to assure, in some fashion, coffeelake does not effect S sales, so may gimp it in some fashion as they did broadwell for skylake S. Time will tell!

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So, I bit the bullet and created a Volta thread. Personally, I still think they'll be releasing more Pascal through Q1 of next year, but who knows with AMD Vega on the horizon.

 

Havent you paid attention to the tech forums?
People debate and argue. Make a choice about what is the "only" best buy (in their head of course lol), get the card. Sit there with the card installed in their desktop/notebook, argue why their choice was so much better than the people who got a different product/brand. Rarely actually use their card for gaming but rather use it as a ego boost to why they know better than everyone else. Then argue and debate about the next upcoming card.

And the cycle repeats again. Around and around we go.
In the meantime: Nvidia, AMD, OEMs, AIBs etc sit in a bathtub full of money with champagne in their hand and laughing and thinking: Thank God for fanboys

 

Hey Cloud! Run fast >>>

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...generation-gpu-architecture-2017-2018.794920/

 

He is dedicated. That J.Dre guy.
Cant say anything else

(Im too old for keeping up with this crap now lol)

 

Sooo ... what's next after Volta? I've seen rumours taking about the next one being called Einstein

 

Please dont give J.Dre any more ideas

 

With as awful as 880M has been it has served me well for the past 2 1/2 years. It does what I have needed it to do (after much work on my part). And I simply could not justify spending more money to "upgrade" a laptop that already cost me $3000.

Although I have thought lately about trimming the herd and swapping my 980M in the M17x R4 for the 880M in the P170SM-A, then selling the Alienware along with the M18x R2.

I have a couple of older netbooks to sell too. My goal is to build a desktop and keep the Sager for work and play when I travel. The Alienware machines are very cool but have no place in a factory environment where they will simply get damaged and/or destroyed.

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I am a trader and strategist, so I literally live for this stuff. If you do what you love, you never work a day in your life, or so they say.

 

Let me be the first to ask, since I don't have a gaming laptop at the moment: should I buy a Pascal laptop next week, or should I wait until Volta? I want to future proof, so....

Maybe wait until Einstein, actually?

 

That depends! Volta is a different memory type which requires a different heatsink and board layout. If they keep the direction of the pcb and rough shape, you will have to purchase a're heatsink for the new design, but it should work. Otherwise wait a generation. If Clevo makes a beast like the p570 for skylake-x, then one year you could have the new heatsink and something that will out perform all for 5+ years. Considering the tdp lessened between the 1080 and 980, moving forward, this machine should have the heat controllable on subsequent cards, but next year would be more assured IF it utilizes HBM2!!! Otherwise, it is a two year wait, meaning your waiting for a future proof machine will never come. I shall upgrade my zm once more and build a desktop, unless word of a skylake-X laptop reaches me! Considering it will also support Cannonlake-X, it would have forthcoming support...

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